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 Ahtman wrote:


That is ok, I don't get why people don't like the movies.

 Bromsy wrote:
I gradually grew to hate the LOTR movies - things I didn't like just kept piling up; I was reasonable happy with the first one. T
he second one started annoying me (Why are wargs suddenly giant hyenas with Downs syndrome? Why change the Entmoot like that? Do we really need Elves at the Hornburg? Why are Uruk Hai magically repelled by horses? Who the hell pulls a cavalry charge down a slope that steep onto a line of heavily armored pikes?)

And the third one.... welp, thanks for showing up and fighting those hundred foot tall elephants, Rohan, but everything you did was just rendered completely irrelevant by a glowing green tide of deus ex machina.

Shoulda just taken the day off, had a late breakfast and hung out, you'd have had a few thousand more dudes to charge at the black gate yelling before the ground perfectly splits apart to swallow the armies of Mordor after that evil lighthouse collapsed.

... because that's why.

 Bromsy wrote:
... because that's why.

...because that is spurious reasoning.

Yea I very much disagree with you as well. Avengers, even with all its action scenes, was kinda boring. I went to see it with a bunch of comic fans who thought it was the best thing since sliced bread, but I was left honestly with a response of "meh". It was one of those movies that is "fun" but overall forgettable. Thor 2 (didn't like the first one either) was one of those movies that by the end I was rooting for Malekith and Loki to win. If by the end I am rooting for the villains than that is a good sign that the movie sucks. On the other hand I loved the Dark Knight. Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker was excellent. I was really saddened to hear when he died.

Good points all around.

 Blood Hawk wrote:

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 Mr Morden wrote:

Then lets agree to disagree - for instance I can't remember a single humerous moment in the 2nd Batman film and no one in either I gave a damn about ( I couldn;t be bothered to watch the third) ? Compared with the genius of Avengers and Thor 2 they are veyr very very very poor. In terms of pacing - they are horible - the 2nd one in particular lurches drunkenly from set peice to set piece and wastes an extra half an hour on the whole 2 face bit which should have been in another film.

Yea I very much disagree with you as well. Avengers, even with all its action scenes, was kinda boring. I went to see it with a bunch of comic fans who thought it was the best thing since sliced bread, but I was left honestly with a response of "meh". It was one of those movies that is "fun" but overall forgettable. Thor 2 (didn't like the first one either) was one of those movies that by the end I was rooting for Malekith and Loki to win. If by the end I am rooting for the villains than that is a good sign that the movie sucks. On the other hand I loved the Dark Knight. Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker was excellent. I was really saddened to hear when he died.

See that's all good - we like different things

I really found Dark Knight tiresome to sit through - and the plot with the Mary Sue Joker - did not engage me in any way. Again I can't recall a single humorous moment in DK except perhaps the disappearing pencil. Yes Heath Ledger was good (not as good as Jack N IMO) but good, everyone else was dull and uninteresting.

Whereas for Me Avengers and Thor 2 had both wit and style where I actually cared about the characters rather than the just style over substance - but that's all of Mr Nolans films - stark, cold and heartless and in the end not films I want to watch again.

If you don't like The Dark Knight, no amount of clapping will get you your angel's wings...

Also, I <3 Idina Menzel more than any other straight man that enjoys Broadway Musicals, but I was done with "Let it Go" the first time i heard it on the radio.

I honestly thought that was the worst song in that movie.

 Ahtman wrote:
Mary Sue/Marty Stu are idealized author inserts, not just over the top characters.

"Greya Templara was assigned to the Enterprise after both getting perfect scores on the Graduate Exit Exam and defeating four Klingons in melee unarmed combat, and was selected by Admiral Picard to serve as second in command to Captain Riker."

I understood none of that -_-.

 the shrouded lord wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Mary Sue/Marty Stu are idealized author inserts, not just over the top characters.

"Greya Templara was assigned to the Enterprise after both getting perfect scores on the Graduate Exit Exam and defeating four Klingons in melee unarmed combat, and was selected by Admiral Picard to serve as second in command to Captain Riker."

I understood none of that -_-.

Mary Sue (often called a Marty Stu or Gary Sue for male versions by some) is a form of chracter that arouse in prominence from Fan Fiction, most noteably Star Trek fan fiction. From TV tropes "the term "Mary Sue" is generally slapped on a character who is important in the story, possesses unusual physical traits, and has an irrelevantly over-skilled or over-idealized nature." Often they are taken to be author insertions, which is a character that is written by the author as themselves in their own work.

Popular examples of the Mary Sue are Wesley Crusher (an author insertion of Gene Rodenberry), Bella Swan (author insertion of Stephene Meyer), and Eragon (a self admitted insertion of Chris Paloni). I would personally disagree that all Mary Sues are author inserts myself. The heroines of most young adult fiction are often share all the traits of a mary sue, but aren't always author insertions (and example is the early Annabeth Chase in the Percy Jackon series, who is very marry sue, but clearly not an insert of autor Rick Riordan). Likewise, not all author insertions are a Mary Sue. Luke Skywalker is an author insertion of George Lucas (Luke. S, really clever George, bravo) but even in Lucas' original script he wasn't very Suish.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I really found Dark Knight tiresome to sit through - and the plot with the Mary Sue Joker - did not engage me in any way. Again I can't recall a single humorous moment in DK except perhaps the disappearing pencil. Yes Heath Ledger was good (not as good as Jack N IMO) but good, everyone else was dull and uninteresting.

Whereas for Me Avengers and Thor 2 had both wit and style where I actually cared about the characters rather than the just style over substance - but that's all of Mr Nolans films - stark, cold and heartless and in the end not films I want to watch again.

I don't think the Dark Knight was meant to be comedy. I would agree that it probably does jump from set-piece to set-piece, but the action sequences were so good that I can forgive it. Not once did I feel like the story or the live action was being displaced by over the top CGI.

I liked Avengers and I was very much looking forward to it from when it was announced. But ultimately I found it a bit disappointing. For me, the first Iron Man movie was the pick of those movies (followed by Captain America). I think the Avengers was weaker than both those films, which is disappointing because it was what they were building up to. The super aircraft carrier, and the final battle with aliens is all computer effects. Special effects just aren't special anymore when they are everything. I totally respect that you might disagree and feel differently about Avengers ymmv.

I cannot forgive you for liking Thor 2 though! Both the Thor movies are utter trash. Everything from the casting of Chris Hemsworth, to the uber gay rainbow-road to CGI town, it's repugnant to me. I think Avengers was probably spoiled for me by having too much Thor in it.

 LordofHats wrote:

 the shrouded lord wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Mary Sue

Mary Sue

Mary Sue

I think they certainly did give Legolas some preferential treatment in LOTR, but I always thought that was to make up for him being played by Orlando Bloom.

Star Trek TOS, I just dont get it.
FireFly, Im sorry,But it is crap and will remain boring. Ohhh, Pirates IN SPACE....wooot.

I liked Avengers, but it was a pretty typical Marvel film -- safe, workmanlike, bankable and brain candy.

Note that I have ZERO problems with brain candy films. Since the kids came along I get to maybe 4 or 5 (grown-up) movies in the theater each year compared to maybe 30 a year pre-kids. So when I go, I tend to want something blockbustery that looks good on the big screen. So yeah, Avengers was loads of fun, but with repeat viewings I've decided that it's surprisingly slow in spots and kind of an empty CGI smashfest in others. I'll still give Whedon credit for getting it all to work onscreen...it's an genuine accomplishment.

Captain America had some moments, but it wasn't anywhere near what it could have been. Cap has some of the best material to work with in all the Marvel pantheon, but Marvel needed the movie to be safe and bankable. So out went grittier, more realistic war action and adult themes, along with all the Nazi imagery (Red Skull IS the perfect Nazi, that's the point of the character). It was a little too Star Wars with all the cartoony action and laser beams, where it needed to be more Saving Private Ryan. The early buzz on the sequel is good, however.

Edit: I liked Firefly, but IMO it was just a nice little show and nothing more.

ST: TNG is another one in that general category. Overall likeable enough, but not consistently good, and entire seasons at a time seemed entirely missable. The difference between TNG and Voyager isn't as great as people make it out to be, and has a lot to do with a better cast. DS9 was the easily best of the post-original series IMO (and that series had its flaws too).

I have not owned a TV in two years, and frankly I don't miss it. Crap like Duck Dynasty, Honey Booboo and Lizard Lick Towing (The worst name for anything in the history of names) did it in for me.I don't miss it at all. What is my furniture pointed at? My painting table.

House.

Admittedly I only watched the first half of the first series but I had no desire to go on after that. I just found it to be formulaic and repetitive.

Big Bang Theory. Have tried watching it and didn’t laugh once, pure comedy by committee.

Oh and for the British guys out there, Mrs Browns Boys. Apparently this show keeps topping the ratings though for the life of me I have no idea why and I’ve never met anyone in person who likes it. I have no idea who eaxtly the 10 million people are who watch this drivel, perhaps they have the good sense to never admit it. It’s one of the most insultingly bad shows I’ve ever seen, I actually felt my IQ dropping whilst I tried to watch it. It makes Miranda look like Monty Python.

 gorgon wrote:


Captain America had some moments, but it wasn't anywhere near what it could have been. Cap has some of the best material to work with in all the Marvel pantheon, but Marvel needed the movie to be safe and bankable. So out went grittier, more realistic war action and adult themes, along with all the Nazi imagery (Red Skull IS the perfect Nazi, that's the point of the character). It was a little too Star Wars with all the cartoony action and laser beams, where it needed to be more Saving Private Ryan. The early buzz on the sequel is good, however.

I felt the it was a gritty war movie. The lasers felt more scary the bullets, with them disintigrating anything they contact.

The UK version of the Office. I absolutely loathed it and still loathe Ricky Gervais. How any human being can be so smug and slimy without it seeping out of his pores is beyond me.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Star Trek TOS, I just dont get it.
FireFly, Im sorry,But it is crap and will remain boring. Ohhh, Pirates IN SPACE....wooot.

Cowboys in Space, actually.

 Smacks wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
I really found Dark Knight tiresome to sit through - and the plot with the Mary Sue Joker - did not engage me in any way. Again I can't recall a single humorous moment in DK except perhaps the disappearing pencil. Yes Heath Ledger was good (not as good as Jack N IMO) but good, everyone else was dull and uninteresting.

Whereas for Me Avengers and Thor 2 had both wit and style where I actually cared about the characters rather than the just style over substance - but that's all of Mr Nolans films - stark, cold and heartless and in the end not films I want to watch again.

I don't think the Dark Knight was meant to be comedy. I would agree that it probably does jump from set-piece to set-piece, but the action sequences were so good that I can forgive it. Not once did I feel like the story or the live action was being displaced by over the top CGI.

I did not want it to be comdey (just an hour shorter and with a decent plot) For me in order for somethng to be good and "dark" you need to care for the people in it - now the humour in the films I like (and listed) provides a way to do this - whereas the stark heatlessness of Nolans films makes me shrug and yawn - whilst Dark Knight was not as dull as the CGI explosion that was Inception it had plenty of it..........lastly I just don't think Nolan can write actual people..................certainly the only atual chacrater in Dk was the Joker and he was soo over the top Mary Sue I lost interest in him as the film dragged on.

but again different strokes.................

Captain America was by the far the weakest of the Marvel films for me - again its a bit dull, the supposed uber bad guy is farily ineffectual - with henchmen that make Imperial Stormtroopers look effective - it seemed a poor version of the much better GI Joe to me. Captain America worked much better for me in Avengers when he could be the straight guy and actually got some good lines - "There is only god Ma'am and I am pretty sure he does not dress like that"

I will give Avengers that. Capt A works better when he's a team leader and foil.

Big Bang Theory.
The Office.
My Little Pony.
The Walking Dead.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Big Bang Theory.
The Office.
My Little Pony.
The Walking Dead.

Bah, the watchers of THAT show should be branded with a sign on their forehead that says "I'm sorry".

And yes, I'm real life friends with someone who enjoys that show. I'll tell him it'll only hurt for a minute.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Bah, the watchers of THAT show should be branded with a sign on their forehead that says "I'm sorry".

But what if they're Canadian? Surely they are already branded like that

Watching GoT Season 1-3 to prepare myself for this weekend.

This isn't technically on-topic, but I finally saw World War Z. As a fan of the book, I thought it looked like poo. Not even a good, firm poo but the runny stuff. I even posted here about it, making up the probable plot (following the Jerry Bruckheimer template). But then I heard people say that it wasn't as bad as they thought it would be.

So I saw it, and yeah, it's poo. I'm $ure that Max Brook$ is ju$t fine with it, but what a terrible impression it gives for people who haven't read his really good book.

I saw it, thought it was ok. But in my defense I was really hammered when I saw it.

I despise The Big Bang Theory, complete gak. Also pretty much every superhero movie in the past 5 or so years except the Batman films.

But I have a special place of hatred in my heart for How I Met Your Mother.

 Frazzled wrote:
I saw it, thought it was ok. But in my defense I was really hammered when I saw it.

It was a good day out with my dad, the last movie I saw with him, so it holds a place in my heart


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Banzaimash wrote:
I despise The Big Bang Theory, complete gak. Also pretty much every superhero movie in the past 5 or so years except the Batman films.
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*Hipster Glasses*
I liked super hero movies before they where cool

I don't like superhero movies at all really, but I'm not familiar with any prior to about 5 years ago, hence why I put it across like that. My main gripe is that its just indestructible super-beings throwing each other through walls for an hour and a half, with little to no compelling plot. The fact that I know they'll prevail in the end also detracts from my enjoyment.

Captain America is one of the few super heroes I like. His movie was a bit underwhelming but I liked it enough, just wish it was sort of... better. Like others have said he was done much better in the Avengers. I haven't seen the winter soldier yet, hoping its good, will still like it if it isn't.

"I can tell it runs on electricity..." Laughed out loud in the theater, which is rare for me.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I saw it, thought it was ok. But in my defense I was really hammered when I saw it.

It was a good day out with my dad, the last movie I saw with him, so it holds a place in my heart

Respect.