Switch Theme:

Seeing all these hate posts on 40k... *sigh* it's not all bad is it?  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in nz
Heroic Senior Officer




New Zealand

 Grimtuff wrote:
 Swastakowey wrote:

Exactly what im starting to think. I mean seriously, these people should go have a read. Just change your search filter from 1995-2005 and search "Games Work Shop prices". Skip all the links that are to the GW site and see for yourself. From there you will find people saying exactly what you guys are saying as early as the year 2000. 14 Years of unchanged complaints from an ever changing company.

Get over it people. You have complained for long enough. Nothings gonna happen. Dont buy something you dont like. It is oh so simple.


Nice red herring you've got there. It's funny, as no-one in this thread is complaining about pricing.


Search it, then you will find more and more complaints just like balance, rules, GW not listening to customers, unfair business practice and so on. Nothings changed. Just do a little looking.


If anything its gotten worse from the complainers perspective.

Also what has all your complaining accomplished? Has GW changed their ways? Does it make you happier? Does it improve your gaming experience? Does it fix your problems?

It does nothing. Try be fruitful in your efforts at the very least.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
hobojebus wrote:
GW know the fans are unhappy, yet they dont to jack except to keep raising prices and producing more and more unbalanced books designed to sell big kits.

Other companies would address the concerns of their customers, GW puts fingers in their collective ears and keeps right on doing whats killing their profits.


people said that 10+ years ago too...

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/30 21:56:29


 
   
Made in us
Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer




Tampa, FL

 Peregrine wrote:
No, GW doesn't do it at all. A "living rule book" means that problems are fixed. GW hasn't even bothered to FAQ obvious problems.


And why would they if they can release a dataslate with formations and fix an issue by saying "Just buy more" or a supplement that goes for the same as a real codex?

When people wanted faster releases, we didn't mean just toss out garbage that still gets priced as though it was a luxury item, and ignore all the actual issues with the game. That's precisely what GW is doing.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Swastakowey wrote:
people said that 10+ years ago too...


And maybe, just maybe, the fact it's been ignored for 10+ years is the reason people are so angry and vehement now? You seem to think that it's a matter of "Just shut up and deal with it" because they haven't listened. That's not how a business works. If you ignore customers, they don't just shut up and go away, and if they do then guess what? Eventually you don't have a business anymore because you've pissed off all your customers.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/03/30 21:59:05


- Wayne
Formerly WayneTheGame 
   
Made in nz
Heroic Senior Officer




New Zealand

WayneTheGame wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
No, GW doesn't do it at all. A "living rule book" means that problems are fixed. GW hasn't even bothered to FAQ obvious problems.


And why would they if they can release a dataslate with formations and fix an issue by saying "Just buy more" or a supplement that goes for the same as a real codex?

When people wanted faster releases, we didn't mean just toss out garbage that still gets priced as though it was a luxury item, and ignore all the actual issues with the game. That's precisely what GW is doing.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Swastakowey wrote:
people said that 10+ years ago too...


And maybe, just maybe, the fact it's been ignored for 10+ years is the reason people are so angry and vehement now? You seem to think that it's a matter of "Just shut up and deal with it" because they haven't listened. That's not how a business works. If you ignore customers, they don't just shut up and go away, and if they do then guess what? Eventually you don't have a business anymore because you've pissed off all your customers.


Not all. Some. You guys are far, far, far from all. So yea if they go out of business thats their fault. I highly doubt a few devout GW complainers are gonna kill their business. Even if its a rotational amount of complainers over decades of time. And if you annoy customers they do go away, by the way. they usually are intelligent enough to look elsewhere for a better product.
   
Made in us
Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer




Tampa, FL

 Swastakowey wrote:

Not all. Some. You guys are far, far, far from all. So yea if they go out of business thats their fault. I highly doubt a few devout GW complainers are gonna kill their business. Even if its a rotational amount of complainers over decades of time. And if you annoy customers they do go away, by the way. they usually are intelligent enough to look elsewhere for a better product.


So that's their business strategy then - do stupid things so people who don't like it eventually go away to other games and then people won't be left to complain!

Fething brilliant!

- Wayne
Formerly WayneTheGame 
   
Made in gb
Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard



UK

 Swastakowey wrote:
WayneTheGame wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
No, GW doesn't do it at all. A "living rule book" means that problems are fixed. GW hasn't even bothered to FAQ obvious problems.


And why would they if they can release a dataslate with formations and fix an issue by saying "Just buy more" or a supplement that goes for the same as a real codex?

When people wanted faster releases, we didn't mean just toss out garbage that still gets priced as though it was a luxury item, and ignore all the actual issues with the game. That's precisely what GW is doing.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Swastakowey wrote:
people said that 10+ years ago too...


And maybe, just maybe, the fact it's been ignored for 10+ years is the reason people are so angry and vehement now? You seem to think that it's a matter of "Just shut up and deal with it" because they haven't listened. That's not how a business works. If you ignore customers, they don't just shut up and go away, and if they do then guess what? Eventually you don't have a business anymore because you've pissed off all your customers.


Not all. Some. You guys are far, far, far from all. So yea if they go out of business thats their fault. I highly doubt a few devout GW complainers are gonna kill their business. Even if its a rotational amount of complainers over decades of time. And if you annoy customers they do go away, by the way. they usually are intelligent enough to look elsewhere for a better product.


We dont want to kill GW we want to stop them going out of business and taking our hobbie with them, they are making less money year on year and the shareholders are getting twitchy, its clear what they are doing isnt working they've been on a steady decline since 2004.

The people ignoring the real issues and not trying to do anything about it are the ones who will kill the hobby is us "whiners" shut up.
   
Made in nz
Heroic Senior Officer




New Zealand

WayneTheGame wrote:
 Swastakowey wrote:

Not all. Some. You guys are far, far, far from all. So yea if they go out of business thats their fault. I highly doubt a few devout GW complainers are gonna kill their business. Even if its a rotational amount of complainers over decades of time. And if you annoy customers they do go away, by the way. they usually are intelligent enough to look elsewhere for a better product.


So that's their business strategy then - do stupid things so people who don't like it eventually go away to other games and then people won't be left to complain!

Fething brilliant!


I have no idea what their business strategy is nor did I mention anything about it. Nor did I say what they are doing is smart or good or anything. Im just saying the complainers are a minority. They wont change anything.
   
Made in gb
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






WayneTheGame wrote:
 Swastakowey wrote:

Not all. Some. You guys are far, far, far from all. So yea if they go out of business thats their fault. I highly doubt a few devout GW complainers are gonna kill their business. Even if its a rotational amount of complainers over decades of time. And if you annoy customers they do go away, by the way. they usually are intelligent enough to look elsewhere for a better product.


So that's their business strategy then - do stupid things so people who don't like it eventually go away to other games and then people won't be left to complain!

Fething brilliant!


Of course.




Games Workshop Delenda Est.

Users on ignore- 53.

If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them. 
   
Made in ca
Master Sergeant





 Peregrine wrote:
Davor wrote:
Wow. GW can't make everyone happy. First a lot of people were asking for quicker releases, and GW has done it.


We wanted quicker releases without sacrificing quality. We aren't getting all that much more legitimate content now, we're just getting it spread across multiple $50 books. And any improvements in the release schedule seem to have been obtained by spending even less time and effort on new releases, and just rushing out half-finished books as fast as possible.

A lot and I mean a lot of people were asking for a "Living rule book" like "other games systems" and GW does it.


No, GW doesn't do it at all. A "living rule book" means that problems are fixed. GW hasn't even bothered to FAQ obvious problems.


Exactly^. Davor, I find it incredible that you seem to not be able to realize the obvious differences. If GW create a new tyranid model, the exocretion, and when I get the kit home it is a pile of poo with rending claws painted gold can I not complain even if I had asked for more units in the dex or for a model kit for a unit that didn't have one. You seem to feel that I cannot complain because I asked for a model kit for the exocretion and GW made one - too bad you thought it was plastic when it was really poo and not what you think it should have been or is just a poor quality product.

I certainly was one of the people that wanted GW to speed up the process of dex release from 2-3 a year. If GW had gone to 5-6 a year and ensured that appropriate effort was put in each dex that would have made a lot of people happy, but the obvious lack of effort in some dexes and the release of rules all over the place adding to the mess of the game is another thing. What if GW decides that the next dex will be broken into different sections: a book for HQ choices, another book for elite choices etc, each for the price of the current dex, but still being released faster than 2-3 dexes a year. So we cannot voice our concerns because we asked for faster releases and that's what GW did - too bad to get all your rules it costs 5 times what it did last time for no other reason than to gouge the customer?
   
Made in us
Dakka Veteran





Florida

I have to say that I tried. I really did. I ignored all the internet hate (I am not a fan of "forumthink"), and decided to give 40k a go.

I love these models and love reading the story, but the game system is utter garbage. I read, re-read and triple re-read the rulebook and my codex for months, played as many games as I could with people who have played for years, and still just couldn't understand it.

Either I am an idiot (quite possible) or the game is just bad.

\m/ 
   
Made in nz
Heroic Senior Officer




New Zealand

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:
I have to say that I tried. I really did. I ignored all the internet hate (I am not a fan of "forumthink"), and decided to give 40k a go.

I love these models and love reading the story, but the game system is utter garbage. I read, re-read and triple re-read the rulebook and my codex for months, played as many games as I could with people who have played for years, and still just couldn't understand it.

Either I am an idiot (quite possible) or the game is just bad.


Or the game itself is not your cup of tea. Which is the more likely option.
   
Made in ca
Lord of the Fleet






Halifornia, Nova Scotia

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:


Either I am an idiot (quite possible) or the game is just bad.


You're just not playing it right. You need to just make it up as you go, 4+ everything that doesn't make sense, and throw darts around at an army list to make your force. You're clearly not forging enough of a narrative.

Mordian Iron Guard - Major Overhaul in Progress

+Spaceship Gaming Enthusiast+

Live near Halifax, NS? Ask me about our group, the Ordo Haligonias! 
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut




St. George, UT

I don't hate the game. I, however, am disappointed and in disagreement with the direction that the game and company policy have gone in the last three years.

See pics of my Orks, Tau, Emperor's Children, Necrons, Space Wolves, and Dark Eldar here:


 
   
Made in gb
Lit By the Flames of Prospero





Bearing Words in Rugby

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Swastakowey wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Iron_Captain wrote:
[ The rules are meant as guidelines and can be changed by the players at will.
$75 for a book that is just "guidelines" + $50 per codex full of guidelines and $83 worth of Escalation/Stronghold guidelines


Dont buy expensive guidlines then. That is not GW fault. It is your fault.
I feel like you kind of missed the point. Point: Calling them guidelines when you charge massive amount of money for them is just a bad excuse.

But yeah, 40k is awesome if you don't use GW's rules/guidelines and just invent your own instead. Oh, and if you buy all your models from somewhere else. Also if you just make up your own fluff, coz GW is just fickle and inconsistent with them.

But if you ignore the rules and the models and the fluff, 40k is a great game.

At the end of the day, IMO, you can have fun with 40k, but it's in spite of the rules, not because of them.

It's the basis for a great game and something you'd think nobody could screw up, but here we are.

Muh Black Templars
Blacksails wrote:Maybe you should read your own posts before calling someone else's juvenile.
 
   
Made in gb
The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body





Devon, UK

 Swastakowey wrote:
WayneTheGame wrote:
 Swastakowey wrote:

Not all. Some. You guys are far, far, far from all. So yea if they go out of business thats their fault. I highly doubt a few devout GW complainers are gonna kill their business. Even if its a rotational amount of complainers over decades of time. And if you annoy customers they do go away, by the way. they usually are intelligent enough to look elsewhere for a better product.


So that's their business strategy then - do stupid things so people who don't like it eventually go away to other games and then people won't be left to complain!

Fething brilliant!


I have no idea.


FTFY

Seriously though, isn't the overwhelming number of posters trying to explain, in many cases most eloquently, that you're wrong and why you're wrong not making you pause for just a second? Or are you still utterly convinced that your world view that is somewhat akin to staring at the situation down a drain pipe, is somehow correct and we're the ones in the wrong?

We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark

The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox

Ask me about
Barnstaple Slayers Club 
   
Made in nz
Heroic Senior Officer




New Zealand

 azreal13 wrote:
 Swastakowey wrote:
WayneTheGame wrote:
 Swastakowey wrote:

Not all. Some. You guys are far, far, far from all. So yea if they go out of business thats their fault. I highly doubt a few devout GW complainers are gonna kill their business. Even if its a rotational amount of complainers over decades of time. And if you annoy customers they do go away, by the way. they usually are intelligent enough to look elsewhere for a better product.


So that's their business strategy then - do stupid things so people who don't like it eventually go away to other games and then people won't be left to complain!

Fething brilliant!


I have no idea.


FTFY

Seriously though, isn't the overwhelming number of posters trying to explain, in many cases most eloquently, that you're wrong and why you're wrong not making you pause for just a second? Or are you still utterly convinced that your world view that is somewhat akin to staring at the situation down a drain pipe, is somehow correct and we're the ones in the wrong?


No I just see you all as the usual complainers. Of course you are gonna try justify your stupid positions. I have to justify nothing. I buy what I like and enjoy it.

You buy what you hope to like, dislike it, and blame someone else for it. Or buy what you used to like, dislike it, and blame someone else.

But its clear we will only disagree, so after your reply we can just leave it. Too much of a ruckus already. I know I have said it already but last comment on the matter from me. Hopefully.
   
Made in us
Fireknife Shas'el






 Swastakowey wrote:

No I just see you all as the usual complainers.

Of course you are gonna try justify your stupid positions.

I have to justify nothing.


So in other words, you haven't listened to a single thing anyone opposed to your close minded opinion has said. You only see this as a praise/whine or a love/leave approach. You don't bother to explain why your opinion is the only one that is right and how the rest of us should leave, but you hate seeing other's express their opinion.

Again, this is one of the most negative and simple minded posts I have come across on here. You're all about your fun and everyone should do it your way. No justification and no reasoning. If they don't do it your way then leave. Just like how ironically the casual approach can lead to a more limiting meta than the competitive approach, the positive at all cost mind set tends to be the most negative and dishonest.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/31 00:06:37


I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."

"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
-Tom Kirby 
   
Made in se
Glorious Lord of Chaos






The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer

Well said.

'Do it my way or quit' is not a stance I agree with.

Currently ongoing projects:
Horus Heresy Alpha Legion
Tyranids  
   
Made in us
Archmagos Veneratus Extremis




On the Internet

I may save this thread for the next time someone calls me a white knight because I don't hate -everything- GW does. Because if they think "I think it's alright" is white knighting they obviously haven't seen Sir Galahad in action.
   
Made in gb
Junior Officer with Laspistol





Desperado Corp.

 Swastakowey wrote:


No I just see you all as the usual complainers. Of course you are gonna try justify your stupid positions. I have to justify nothing. I buy what I like and enjoy it.

You buy what you hope to like, dislike it, and blame someone else for it. Or buy what you used to like, dislike it, and blame someone else.

But its clear we will only disagree, so after your reply we can just leave it. Too much of a ruckus already. I know I have said it already but last comment on the matter from me. Hopefully.


So we're stupid for disagreeing now. How good of you to point that out.

I will point out that your own resemblance to GW (in that you can block your ears and go "Lalala I can't hear you" about as well as they can) is rather remarkable.

Like most posters here, I love 40K, but hate what GW are doing to the game. And no, I'm not one of the "usual complainers". I usually have a bit of defence for GW. I tried to point out earlier in this very thread that, actually, things aren't that bad. Then I took a good hard look at the differences in the game between now and when I started, and realised just how bad things really are.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/31 01:17:05


Pretre: OOOOHHHHH snap. That's like driving away from hitting a pedestrian.
Pacific:First person to Photoshop a GW store into the streets of Kabul wins the thread.
Selym: "Be true to thyself, play Chaos" - Jesus, Daemon Prince of Cegorach.
H.B.M.C: You can't lobotomise someone twice. 
   
Made in us
Shade of Despair and Torment







You need to take these blog sites with a well protected dose...

You ever attend a church or work place, and there were always this group that would meet after the sermon/work? Complaining, gossipping, whining, about tangents of the subject/day... not about the sermon/work itself, but of the preacher/boss/ceo, or seats/work station being uncomfy, or the choice of hymns/who got promoted vs who didn't.... ugh, it is hilarious.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
Imagine being a pilot, working for xyz airlines. Everyday complaining about the planes used by the company, the quality of employees that are being hired, the quality of food on the plane, etc... then a stewardess says "you should find another airline to work for."

Time after time they will be like "hey, if I dont complain, things wont change." Not realizing they are going about it all the wrong way. Many times they like to have a vent session, then go and buy $100 worth of 40k stuff anyways...

Laugh it off.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/31 01:24:52


***** Space Hulk Necromunda Genestealer Patriarch Ripper Jacks Broodlord ALIENS THEME https://www.ebay.com/sch/carcharodons/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 
   
Made in us
Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard



UK

 krazynadechukr wrote:
You need to take these blog sites with a well protected dose...

You ever attend a church or work place, and there were always this group that would meet after the sermon/work? Complaining, gossipping, whining, about tangents of the subject/day... not about the sermon/work itself, but of the preacher/boss/ceo, or seats/work station being uncomfy, or the choice of hymns/who got promoted vs who didn't.... ugh, it is hilarious.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
Imagine being a pilot, working for xyz airlines. Everyday complaining about the planes used by the company, the quality of employees that are being hired, the quality of food on the plane, etc... then a stewardess says "you should find another airline to work for."

Time after time they will be like "hey, if I dont complain, things wont change." Not realizing they are going about it all the wrong way. Many times they like to have a vent session, then go and buy $100 worth of 40k stuff anyways...

Laugh it off.


No we are phasing out religion here in the UK we should have it down to about 20% in the next five years and hopefully wiped by 2025 :p

But seriously yes some people are two faced saying one thing and doing another, but the thing to remember is we are not saying we don't want to buy gw stuff, we just want that stuff to be worth the money.

When we buy a codex we want the fluff to be interesting and the rules to be easy to understand and consistent they should not need a FAQ a week after going on sale.

When we buy models we want to get value for money not to pay £21 for five guardsmen and a bunch of excess bits we have no use for.

We as a community are being ignored when we have valid complaints, and screwed when it comes to price and we reached the tipping point years ago, gw isn't looking healthy and another financial report like the last is seriously going to spook investors which isn't going to benefit us any as the companies finances grow worse and worse.

   
Made in us
Rogue Grot Kannon Gunna





 Swastakowey wrote:
 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:
I have to say that I tried. I really did. I ignored all the internet hate (I am not a fan of "forumthink"), and decided to give 40k a go.

I love these models and love reading the story, but the game system is utter garbage. I read, re-read and triple re-read the rulebook and my codex for months, played as many games as I could with people who have played for years, and still just couldn't understand it.

Either I am an idiot (quite possible) or the game is just bad.


Or the game itself is not your cup of tea. Which is the more likely option.


Or, it's become a convoluted mess that a seven year veteran of the game has a hard time following.

Please, describe with ease to that gentleman the clear and succinct rules for Force Organization. I know that you won't, the challenge is the example in itself.

And for those of you ascribing "Libertarian" to the fellow whose name is based off of National German Socialist symbology...please stop. This guy is railing against the free exchange of ideas and information, especially those that do not agree with his view point, which is not Libertarian at all. I'm sure that he hates consumer reports and Underwriter Laboratories for the same reason.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 krazynadechukr wrote:
You need to take these blog sites with a well protected dose...

You ever attend a church or work place, and there were always this group that would meet after the sermon/work? Complaining, gossipping, whining, about tangents of the subject/day... not about the sermon/work itself, but of the preacher/boss/ceo, or seats/work station being uncomfy, or the choice of hymns/who got promoted vs who didn't.... ugh, it is hilarious.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
Imagine being a pilot, working for xyz airlines. Everyday complaining about the planes used by the company, the quality of employees that are being hired, the quality of food on the plane, etc... then a stewardess says "you should find another airline to work for."

Time after time they will be like "hey, if I dont complain, things wont change." Not realizing they are going about it all the wrong way. Many times they like to have a vent session, then go and buy $100 worth of 40k stuff anyways...

Laugh it off.


I haven't purchased anything from GW in about a year. I have over 5000 points of Space Marines sitting in a box in a shed along with the 5th edition codex,about the same in Orks and a little less in IG. I would love to play again but the current rules and paradigm stink.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/03/31 03:03:50


Meks is da best! Dey makes go fasta and mo dakka!  
   
Made in us
Been Around the Block





 ClockworkZion wrote:
I think people could play a lot of what's in Stronghold and just avoid the Strength D AV15 options without major issues, but that's just me.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Contrary to popular belief, game balance is not harmful to casual play.

No but it is harmful to GW's bottom line and release schedule as they need to bring in more people, allow for more play testing, ect.

That's why I feel they should basically do what FW does and open beta rules through the WD for new stuff and take the input we give them and adjust the final product when it comes out in the codex proper.


Lower prices, have more community outreach, handle problems with FAQ's

This will increase the base of gamers, increasing sales and possibly profits, will address the issues many gamers have with the rules system and thereby keep more current gamers engaged.

Greater outreach to the community can also attract new gamers letting them enjoy Demo games.

Also allow the gamers to direct the fluff story line by having worldwide events that decide the timeline and the status of the Game Universe.


 
   
Made in us
Cosmic Joe





 Swastakowey wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
 Swastakowey wrote:

Exactly what im starting to think. I mean seriously, these people should go have a read. Just change your search filter from 1995-2005 and search "Games Work Shop prices". Skip all the links that are to the GW site and see for yourself. From there you will find people saying exactly what you guys are saying as early as the year 2000. 14 Years of unchanged complaints from an ever changing company.

Get over it people. You have complained for long enough. Nothings gonna happen. Dont buy something you dont like. It is oh so simple.


Nice red herring you've got there. It's funny, as no-one in this thread is complaining about pricing.


Search it, then you will find more and more complaints just like balance, rules, GW not listening to customers, unfair business practice and so on. Nothings changed. Just do a little looking.


If anything its gotten worse from the complainers perspective.

Also what has all your complaining accomplished? Has GW changed their ways? Does it make you happier? Does it improve your gaming experience? Does it fix your problems?

It does nothing. Try be fruitful in your efforts at the very least.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
hobojebus wrote:
GW know the fans are unhappy, yet they dont to jack except to keep raising prices and producing more and more unbalanced books designed to sell big kits.

Other companies would address the concerns of their customers, GW puts fingers in their collective ears and keeps right on doing whats killing their profits.


people said that 10+ years ago too...

Oh. My. Word.
Can you please listen to what is being said. You're acting comically obtuse now.
I love the game. I've been playing since RT days. I play and I have a lot of fun, but I have to play with people I know or I risk a very un-fun game against an army that my army isn't at all prepared to play against. (IK or Serpant spam for example.) There are legitimate complaints that we want addressing. I have mailed GW my opinions and occasionally got an answer. When we "complain" here we're voicing our opinion. Our opinion is that GW is a company with horrible business practices that is chasing off potential customers. (I know several authors who wanted to get into the hobby and went with PP when they heard about GW trademarking "Space Marine" and thought it was a ____-move. Now those best selling authors are writing for PP and loving it. (PP reached out to them when they heard those authors played. An example of a company that listens.) I want GW to get their act together so that it will improve its practices and the game. The game needs work. If you don't think it does then you have a problem.
There's nothing wrong with listening to what people say. You won't seem weak or whatever. Just listen to what we're saying for once.



Also, check out my history blog: Minimum Wage Historian, a fun place to check out history that often falls between the couch cushions. 
   
Made in us
Archmagos Veneratus Extremis




On the Internet

 Avinash_Tyagi wrote:
Lower prices, have more community outreach, handle problems with FAQ's

I don't see the first one ever happening, but it'd be nice if they'd stop going up all the time if at all possible. The latter two would go a long ways though.

 Avinash_Tyagi wrote:
Also allow the gamers to direct the fluff story line by having worldwide events that decide the timeline and the status of the Game Universe.

So basically set the Imperium up to fall like the 13th Black Crusade did and make it so the main selling faction and primary focus of the game gets bent over a table?

I don't see any good coming out of that because we'll either only see changes that GW wants to make occur (annoying the fans), or the events ending in status quo being restored (annoying the fans) or GW being forced to retcon it all because it breaks the setting (thus annoying the fans).

Maybe more campaigns and the like in the background. Things that can become story events without pushing the time line forward. Like Armageddon was for instance.
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut




Op went full retar*
He should have known you never go full retar*
   
Made in us
Dakka Veteran





Florida

 Blacksails wrote:
 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:

Either I am an idiot (quite possible) or the game is just bad.

You're just not playing it right. You need to just make it up as you go, 4+ everything that doesn't make sense, and throw darts around at an army list to make your force. You're clearly not forging enough of a narrative.


I forged the eff outta that narrative kid! Also, yeah I think it's just not my cup of tea, though I love chucking fists full of dice and the "wound pool" and TLOS. I'm just not a fan of "Calvinball". I really think that if I had been playing it for years I would defend it more passionately, but at the end of the day it's just a game.

\m/ 
   
Made in ca
Executing Exarch






Plus there is all these 7th edition rumours.

Im sure the apologists will say that its GW trying to fix the game and make it better for all of us.

I believe it should be a very concerning sign when they are willing to dump an edition 2 years in. Reeks high of desperation related gouging.


6th is easy to fix.
1. No allies, formations, super heavies in games under 3000pts (its tard-hammer at that point anyway). This cuts out this franken army feth fest we are currently experiencing.

2. Write FAQs. Like make fortune work on one type of save and grimoire only ups the daemon invulnerable for a start.

3, Percentages. Kills death stars dead.

4. Bring back multiple deployment options, cause it sure sucks losing turn 1.

Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
 
   
Made in us
Archmagos Veneratus Extremis




On the Internet

I'm pretty sure the 7th ed rumors are largely wishlisting.

Allies and formations are easily fixed by making them use FOC slots. Move double FOC to 3k+ as well as LoW and we'd be well on our way to solving the cheesehammer issues.

I can take or leave percentages. Mostly because I only have one troop choice in my Sisters codex so loading up on a lot of troop squads is a bit "ehhhhh" for me.

I do hope the rumored website launch will see a return of the FAQs. But that's my wish listing.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Sometimes Jervis says something you need to take a little out of context. From the most recent White Dwarf:

Jervis wrote:Now, thinking on my part has a number of side-effects (which is why I avoid doing it if possible); first of all, there is the required consumption of bacon butties and cups of tea to fuel the process, and then the general looks of worry and confusion on my colleagues’ faces as I pace around the office muttering to myself, and finally a burning desire to write about my hard thinking in this very column!


In short, Jervis apparently doesn't spend much time thinking, and when he does he eats a lot and paces while muttering like a madman.

It explains so much about what the dev team does sometimes, doesn't it?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Oh, and the article is pretty much all about how 40k is a "play what you want" game instead of the infantry skirmish game it started as.

So nothing new there as anyone who has been playing more than a week knows that.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/03/31 05:53:09


 
   
Made in us
Bounding Assault Marine






[youtube] http://youtu.be/uEY58fiSK8E[/youtube]

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2014/03/31 06:30:40


you automatically lose points for using the trite gamer-isms: balanced, meta, Mat Ward, etc. 
   
 
Forum Index » 40K General Discussion
Go to: