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2014/05/07 23:17:18
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: The Iron Bank desperately need that debt to be repaid - hell, it might even bankrupt the Iron Bank if it was written off and it would set a bad precedent for other borrowers.
So, we have a totally different idea of the situation of the Iron Bank. For me, it was just their “business as usual”. It seemed they were very used to dealing with foreign governments and getting a little “brutal enforcer” up their asses when they did not pay. I really felt no sense of desperation on the part of Iron Bank, just some ruthlessness. Am I wrong?
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Stannis has sworn that if he takes the Iron Throne, then the Iron Bank will be repaid in full. Stannis' reputation as a serious uncompromising man of honour and justice is enough to sway the Iron Bank to his cause as he represents their best hope of seeing that monumental debt repaid.
Yeah, I know that, I was answering about the Iron Bank funding Dany to fight against the White Walkers. Which I could not see happening without very specific and unexpected circumstances.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Brienne wants to save Podrick from being hanged. Given the developing mutual respect/romance between Jaime and Brienne, I think its possible that she will tip him off and enlist his help in saving Podrick.
I think if she did not die yet, then she must have a much better plan than that, because that looks pretty stupid!
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2014/05/07 23:20:13
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
I have no idea how they'd get round the whole Dany can not have children thing
Spoiler:
The last book implies thats no longer a problem
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Compel wrote: 1) Some form of union between Dany and Jon Snow.
Why? Why? They have never met each other, they have nothing in common, they have no political reason to even ally! Jon Snow is the bastard son to one of the usurper's dog. Makes no sense whatsoever. Not to mention that
Spoiler:
Jon Snow is dead now .
Compel wrote: 2) Tyrion will ride a dragon, using the harness he designed right back at the start of the story.
Uh? It is made for a horse. It is not the same size, you see. Should he ride a dragon (extremely unlikely) he would have a new, more fitted to the task harness. Because he is not stupid.
Compel wrote: 3) Cersei and friends will be killed by Dany and the Dornians, with a little help from your friendly neighbourhood spider-eunuch.
That could happen. Characters killing each other could happen .
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2014/05/07 23:39:38
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Is only dead-ish. It's not like he's currently hanging around with a witch who follows a god known for the ability to bring people back from the dead...
One of the things is that Martin has shown at least more than a few nods to basic genetic concepts throughout the story.
Tomman/Joffrey/Myrcella are all very blonde, which is a recessive trait, which is what allowed Ned to figure out that they weren't Roberts kids.
Then, of course, we had Joffrey and the 'Mad King Aerys' - which weren't exactly a huge departure from your typically portrayed results of inbreeding.
It seems obvious to me that a Targeryan is going to ultimately win the 'Game of Thrones' and, of course, the Targeryan Bloodline, if it is going to be the saviour of the world will need more than the crazy super-recessive Targeryan genes. Which is where Jon and his half-Awesome-Starkness comes into it all.
Edit: Not literally the same harness... However, the design of one on the other hand... I'm also imagining that Arya would be riding the other dragon. - HOWEVER, it's seeming far more likely that she's got a completely different road to travel.
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2014/05/07 23:46:23
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Okay. Jihadin came up with a bunch of predictions about how GoT will turn out and I've been wanting to respond to this one for a while now but haven't been able to due to the difficulties of posting from my iPad. I'll put everything in a spoiler tag for those of you who haven't read the books.
Well, they did kill off Ygritte so this isn't completely far fetched. I think Jon has another destiny ahead of him.
Jihadin wrote: Dany going to march the Unsullied right into the teeth of the "Walkers" saving the world.
I doubt it. If they ever get to Westeros, they'll be smashing into either the Lannisters or the Greyjoys. Dany will likely have problems because of the horn Euron has. The one that supposedly controls dragons.
Jihadin wrote: She has the only viable intact army left.
Nah. The Lannisters still have a viable army and with the war winding down, they've pretty much tied up the central part of the continent. Highgarden and Dorn also have viable armies. It's ships that are in short supply. Euron is running wild in the Southwest because nobody has ships that can stop him. Still, he can't do much outside the coastal areas. Stannis' army is in serious trouble. The Nights' Watch is, too. The North is greatly depleted except for Bolton's men.
Jihadin wrote: Lannisters are drained financially and their combat forces are shot to pieces and spread out
Kings' Landing is drained financially. The Lannisters still have money, just a lot more IOUs than gold at the moment. There was rumor about the mines being depleted, though. As I noted above, much of the Lannister army is intact.
Jihadin wrote: North Bannerman are leaderless and factionalized and shot to pieces
Bolton is uniting them. Or trying at least. Stannis is working on the rest. It all comes down to Winterfel and who can win. Odds are in Bolton's favor given that severe storm.
Jihadin wrote: Greyjoy are tied by their naval forces and their COC is chopped, sliced, stabbed, captured, and whatever Ramsey does to it.
Euron is their CoC. Theon/Reek and his sister are meaningless to Euron at the moment.
Jihadin wrote: Stennis is at the end of logistical and financial support. The Iron Banks cannot come into play yet being Stennis gets crushed when the Walkers hit the Wall and does a fighting withdraw all the way south
Stannis is trapped in a snow storm three days ride away from Winterfel with the hope of taking it from Bolton. The rep from the Iron Bank has just arrived and has Theon/Reek and fake Aria with him. Still his army is pretty bad off and about to go cannibalistic on themselves. Whether it will be Stannis or Bolton who hits the white walkers is yet to be known.
Jihadin wrote: Jon and his happy band of rapists, robbers, bastards, criminals and rapist goes into "Ranger" mode to harass and interdict the "Walkers" being they have pretty much the main bulk of Dragon Glass.
Um... Not unless Jon managed to get signed up for one of those Obamacare "gold plans", he's not.
Jihadin wrote: So Dany gets experience running a kingdom as Queen in Mereen, Hears the Walkers smashed Westero's remaining combat forces, Stennis on the run withdrawing, Jon saving Stennis forces by delaying the Walkers from eating Stennis arse, Iron Bank says to Heck with it and throws financial support behind Dany being Lannisters are broke (Iron Bank is Dorn) and she has Dragons so tying her nicely in for the Throne and she has money
Dany's tenure as regent of Meereen has taken an abrupt turn for the strange. The Iron Bank isn't really doing much with her until she takes the Iron Thrown, at which time they'll present her with a bill.
Jihadin wrote: Greyjoy's are Dany naval transport to move her Armies into Westero's.
Unlikely. I think they and the fleet trying to blockade Meereen will destroy each other.
Jihadin wrote: Lannisters ties in with Dany by marrying one of her female friends (guessing) more likely Tyrion kills them all.
The Lannisters don't have much of a future at the moment. It's likely going to be a cousin who takes over Casterly Rock at this point.
Jihadin wrote: Jaime goes with Bri and have one squire to take care of
They're off looking for Sansa.
Jihadin wrote: Three dragons work over time making dragon glass
Stannis mined all he needs. The dragons are going to be busy doing other nasty things to people who don't deserve it.
Jihadin wrote: Think I went into wishful thinking mode being GRRM procastinating
What? Naaaaaaah.
2014/05/07 23:46:46
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Is only dead-ish. It's not like he's currently hanging around with a witch who follows a god known for the ability to bring people back from the dead...
One of the things is that Martin has shown at least more than a few nods to basic genetic concepts throughout the story.
Tomman/Joffrey/Myrcella are all very blonde, which is a recessive trait, which is what allowed Ned to figure out that they weren't Roberts kids.
Then, of course, we had Joffrey and the 'Mad King Aerys' - which weren't exactly a huge departure from your typically portrayed results of inbreeding.
It seems obvious to me that a Targeryan is going to ultimately win the 'Game of Thrones' and, of course, the Targeryan Bloodline, if it is going to be the saviour of the world will need more than the crazy super-recessive Targeryan genes. Which is where Jon and his half-Awesome-Starkness comes into it all.
Edit: Not literally the same harness... However, the design of one on the other hand... I'm also imagining that Arya would be riding the other dragon. - HOWEVER, it's seeming far more likely that she's got a completely different road to travel.
Just to say something on the subject of Jon Snow
Spoiler:
Jon snow was confirmed to be alive by george R.R. Martin by accident.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
2014/05/07 23:48:30
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Is only dead-ish. It's not like he's currently hanging around with a witch who follows a god known for the ability to bring people back from the dead...
Yeah, but even then,
Spoiler:
how would those guys that fight undead like having one as their commander ?
Compel wrote: It seems obvious to me that a Targeryan is going to ultimately win the 'Game of Thrones'
Not to me. That is what I enjoyed about the book. That kind of stuff will not always happen “by the book” (pun intended )
Compel wrote: Which is where Jon and his half-Awesome-Starkness comes into it all.
Uh ? Why ?
Spoiler:
Let us not even mention that we have a full-blooded Targaryen male available.
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2014/05/07 23:50:55
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Well, first thing that Jon will most likely do is kill off his betrayers. He'll feel really bad about it, but he would have to for the good of the watch. Can't have mutineers running around. Just like what happened to poor Mormont...
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2014/05/07 23:52:18
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Though we forgot one major freaking player and it didn't dawn on anyone yet being its in the book but not played out on TV yet
Cersei and the Church of Sevenwhatever
Cersei letting them rearm and have, for lack of a better description, Jihadist sword swinging shield bashing armored head to foot holy Templars of the Gods. I wonder how GRRM going to fit them fanactical brain washed religous nutjobs in the series
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2014/05/07 23:55:45
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
1) They stage a coup, kill everyone not holy enough
2) Cersei sends them to the wall to get rid of them, under the pretext of purifying the heathens (wildlings, Stannis was there, etc). Basically a Crusade
3) They are deployed as front line troops against Stannis's forces.
4) They, without the consent of the crown, procedes to go nuts and try to spread the Seven everywhere. Violently. So basically a Crusade
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2014/05/07 23:55:58
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Well, first thing that Jon will most likely do is kill off his betrayers. He'll feel really bad about it, but he would have to for the good of the watch. Can't have mutineers running around. Just like what happened to poor Mormont...
Spoiler:
Well techincally he is nolonger part of the nights watch it is only for life
So for only one life!
Jon has two , They were doing it for the watch. they were all freaking crying
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2014/05/07 23:56:02
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Well, first thing that Jon will most likely do is kill off his betrayers. He'll feel really bad about it, but he would have to for the good of the watch. Can't have mutineers running around. Just like what happened to poor Mormont...
Spoiler:
Well techincally he is nolonger part of the nights watch it is only for life
So for only one life!
Jon has two , They were doing it for the watch. they were all freaking crying
There may be a loophole involved.
But I have a feeling though that the Red Lady will use this as a chance to sink her claws into him, make him her minion.
I also have a feeling that Jon might start playing dirty. His mother certainly seemed go a bit on the harsh side after
Spoiler:
getting revived
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2014/05/07 23:59:37
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Well, first thing that Jon will most likely do is kill off his betrayers. He'll feel really bad about it, but he would have to for the good of the watch. Can't have mutineers running around. Just like what happened to poor Mormont...
Spoiler:
Well techincally he is nolonger part of the nights watch it is only for life
So for only one life!
Jon has two , They were doing it for the watch. they were all freaking crying
There may be a loophole involved.
But I have a feeling though that the Red Lady will use this as a chance to sink her claws into him, make him her minion.
I also have a feeling that Jon might start playing dirty. His mother certainly seemed go a bit on the harsh side after
Spoiler:
getting revived
We don't know. That only happened because she watched her son die in front of her..... >.>
So I have faith jon will not. Dany will. But not jon.
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2014/05/07 23:59:58
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
CthuluIsSpy wrote: His mother certainly seemed go a bit on the harsh side after
Spoiler:
getting revived
Spoiler:
It was not his mother . Forgot the whole bastard thing ? Beside she was terrible even before that.
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2014/05/08 00:02:47
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Is only dead-ish. It's not like he's currently hanging around with a witch who follows a god known for the ability to bring people back from the dead...
One of the things is that Martin has shown at least more than a few nods to basic genetic concepts throughout the story.
Tomman/Joffrey/Myrcella are all very blonde, which is a recessive trait, which is what allowed Ned to figure out that they weren't Roberts kids.
Then, of course, we had Joffrey and the 'Mad King Aerys' - which weren't exactly a huge departure from your typically portrayed results of inbreeding.
It seems obvious to me that a Targeryan is going to ultimately win the 'Game of Thrones' and, of course, the Targeryan Bloodline, if it is going to be the saviour of the world will need more than the crazy super-recessive Targeryan genes. Which is where Jon and his half-Awesome-Starkness comes into it all.
Edit: Not literally the same harness... However, the design of one on the other hand... I'm also imagining that Arya would be riding the other dragon. - HOWEVER, it's seeming far more likely that she's got a completely different road to travel.
Just to say something on the subject of Jon Snow
Spoiler:
Jon snow was confirmed to be alive by george R.R. Martin by accident.
Link or it didn't happen.
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2014/05/08 00:07:35
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Is only dead-ish. It's not like he's currently hanging around with a witch who follows a god known for the ability to bring people back from the dead...
One of the things is that Martin has shown at least more than a few nods to basic genetic concepts throughout the story.
Tomman/Joffrey/Myrcella are all very blonde, which is a recessive trait, which is what allowed Ned to figure out that they weren't Roberts kids.
Then, of course, we had Joffrey and the 'Mad King Aerys' - which weren't exactly a huge departure from your typically portrayed results of inbreeding.
It seems obvious to me that a Targeryan is going to ultimately win the 'Game of Thrones' and, of course, the Targeryan Bloodline, if it is going to be the saviour of the world will need more than the crazy super-recessive Targeryan genes. Which is where Jon and his half-Awesome-Starkness comes into it all.
Edit: Not literally the same harness... However, the design of one on the other hand... I'm also imagining that Arya would be riding the other dragon. - HOWEVER, it's seeming far more likely that she's got a completely different road to travel.
Just to say something on the subject of Jon Snow
Spoiler:
Jon snow was confirmed to be alive by george R.R. Martin by accident.
Let us be serious people. That guy is as dead as my Warlock after meeting an angry heavy warbest with no fury for transfer! Dead, dead, dead!
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2014/05/08 00:24:48
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
I think he passed out from pain and blood loss. Not stepping into Hell that is Westero's.
Jebus is the a loop hole to get out the Watch? Wonder how many are going to want to try that
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2014/05/08 00:31:09
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Compel wrote: I think you're right in that Ice = Walkers, Fire = Lord of Light and that no-one is certainly wholly good.
1) Some form of union between Dany and Jon Snow. Possibly marriage + children. However, I have no idea how they'd get round the whole Dany can not have children thing. - Maybe some lawyerese out of that? IE she'd die in childbirth, therefore not a mother.
Tinfoil time (book spoilers)
Spoiler:
you are assuming that Ice = Walkers and Fire = R'Hillor - there is one tinfoil theory that suggests that Jon himself IS the song of ice and fire, mainly that he is not Ned starks son, but rather Ned's nephew, being born from Ned's brother (whose name escapes me) and some Targaryan bird (whose name also escapes me) - this also makes Jon another dragon rider, making 2, and keeps Ned Starks honour intact which is pretty logical. When a third dragon rider appears, who has not been seen in the shows yet, there is your holy trinity. The way the books end is really, really ambiguous, but quite open ended with where Jon is going to go
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2014/05/08 00:31:49
Subject: Game of Thrones Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]
Compel wrote: You see, I figured that 'A Song of Ice and Fire' would play into the sword called, well, Ice.
That, clearly, did not happen.
Spoiler:
Well, Ice now exists as two swords, and one of those swords - Oathkeeper - is now back in the possession of the Starks. Albeit, an undead Stark.
I think you're right in that Ice = Walkers, Fire = Lord of Light and that no-one is certainly wholly good.
It may be that the Rh'llor worshippers will end up being just as bad as the White Walkers.
End up? I'd say that at least some of them are already there...
My predictions would be:
1) Some form of union between Dany and Jon Snow. Possibly marriage + children. However, I have no idea how they'd get round the whole Dany can not have children thing. - Maybe some lawyerese out of that? IE she'd die in childbirth, therefore not a mother.
Spoiler:
The reddit theory I mentioned actually proposed that Dany would go mad (as per the Targaryen tendency) and end up as some sort of antagonist - the Champion of Fire.
Bran Stark, having met up with Blood Raven / The Three Eyed Raven and the Children of the Forest, will end up as the Champion of Ice (we still know next to nothing of the Children of the Forests intentions and motivations).
Being the son of Ice (Lyanna Stark) and Fire (Rhaegar Targaryen), the two bloodlines were united with Jon Snow, bringing balance [to the force ]. Jon Snow would end up as the King on the Wall - the arbiter and enforcer of a new truce between the forces of Ice And Fire, with the Nights Watch resuming its role as a force of peacekeepers policing the DMZ. And as part of the truce Jon Snow would take a female White Walker as his bride much like the Night's King of legend. In fact, the theory also suggests that the original Night's King was himself a Stark, and the Starks are therefore descended from a White Walker.
2) Tyrion will ride a dragon, using the harness he designed right back at the start of the story.
Spoiler:
I doubt that. As I understand it, you need to have Valyrian blood (i.e. Targaryen) to master and ride a Dragon.
Of Tywin's children, I think its most likely that Jaime and Cersei are secretly Targaryens, given that their mother Joanna Lannister spent time at the court of the Mad King Aerys and may have been raped by the King (Aerys hated Tywin and was envious of him, but feared him enough that he couldn't take overt action against the Lannisters). This would help explain Cersei and Joffreys' borderline madness, Cersei and Jaimes' incestuous relationship, and it would be deliciously ironic if Tywin's only trueborn child was the deformed dwarf that he hated so much.
I think the best candidates for Dragon Riding are
Daenerys (naturally) - Drogon (naturally)
Jon Snow (being the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark)
Aegon Targaryen - who will be exposed as a Blackfyre.
3) Cersei and friends will be killed by Dany and the Dornians, with a little help from your friendly neighbourhood spider-eunuch.
Spoiler:
I doubt shes going to live that long. She's being put on trial for various alleged crimes (treason, incest, indecency, offending the gods, you name it shes probably done it) and will opt for a Trial by Combat. And she has Qyburn experimenting and using sorcery to create an "unbeatable champion" (i.e. an undead Gregor Clegane). The representative of the Seven (w.e. the religion is called) will be Sandor Clegane, now a reformed monk. Sandor will probably slay his undead brother for good, winning the Trial by Combat.
I have no idea what will happen to Tomman... He might even survive to keep the Lannisters going and just simply give up the throne? It's less horribly murderish than normal for Game of Thrones, however it fits the irony that the actions of the 'one decent king' and, arguably, the 'one decent Lannister' is to be the one to give up the throne.
Spoiler:
If Dany pulls her finger out of her arse and sails to Westeros, I can forsee Tommen bending the knee to Daenerys and being named by her as The Warden of the Westerlands. Not that it'll matter much, with the impending White Walker invasion.
4) Ultimately, Rickon will be the sole viable heir to the Starks.
Probably, yes.
Spoiler:
Bran is going to become a tree and won't have any direct position of power. I reckon he's going to replace The Three Eyed Raven.
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Jon Snow will probably die fighting the White Walkers, will side with the White Walkers and die fighting the Forces of Fire and the Dragons, or will become the second Night's King at The Wall.
I can also see Sansa being in a convent suffering from massive PTSD and spending the rest of her days sewing bedsheets in her future... Or maybe in 'The Winter Chronicles' style, she's the one in the convent, writing the 'Song of Ice and Fire.'
Spoiler:
No, I doubt that. That would be a huge disservice to her character. She was a naive child, but after suffering so much and learning the Game of Thrones, she has the potential to really become as influential a player as Littlefinger or Varys.
She'll probably end up as Lady of the Vale, married to Harold the Heir; and, after turning the tables on Petyr Baelish by having him arrested or killed, will become an influential player in any future war for Westeros. The Vale still has a strong army, untouched by the War of the Five Kings. I can forsee Sansa being the power behind the "Throne" of the Vale, whispering into Lord Harolds ear and manipulating him. She has learned from the best "Power behind the Throne" in all of Westeros and Essos (Littlefinger) after all.
My ideas are pretty wacky and unconventional I know, but then again ASOIAF is not shaping up to be a conventional Fantasy story.
Compel wrote: I think you're right in that Ice = Walkers, Fire = Lord of Light and that no-one is certainly wholly good.
1) Some form of union between Dany and Jon Snow. Possibly marriage + children. However, I have no idea how they'd get round the whole Dany can not have children thing. - Maybe some lawyerese out of that? IE she'd die in childbirth, therefore not a mother.
Tinfoil time (book spoilers)
Spoiler:
you are assuming that Ice = Walkers and Fire = R'Hillor - there is one tinfoil theory that suggests that Jon himself IS the song of ice and fire, mainly that he is not Ned starks son, but rather Ned's nephew, being born from Ned's brother (whose name escapes me) and some Targaryan bird (whose name also escapes me) - this also makes Jon another dragon rider, making 2, and keeps Ned Starks honour intact which is pretty logical. When a third dragon rider appears, who has not been seen in the shows yet, there is your holy trinity. The way the books end is really, really ambiguous, but quite open ended with where Jon is going to go
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Spoiler:
Actually, it was Ned Stark's sister Lyanna, who was "kidnapped" by Rhaegar Targaryen. The R+L=J theory suggests that Rhaegar was trying to fufill the prophecy of a reincarnation of Azor Ahai being born "of Ice And Fire". So he "kidnapped" Lyanna. in all likelihood, she probably fell in love with Rhaegar and chose to elope with him. He did name her "Queen of Love and Beauty" at a tournament having passed over his own wife Elia Martell.
Ned Stark kept Jon's parentage a secret to protect him from Robert's wrath. Robert wanted revenge for Lyanna's "kidnapping" and was trying to exterminate all Targaryens. He even pardoned the Lannisters for the rape and murder of Elia Martell and her two young children.
The third Rider will probably be "Aegon Targaryen", who will be exposed as a "Blackfyre" - an offshoot House formed by a Targaryen bastard centuries ago which went to war and vied for the Throne with the Targaryens but lost and were supposedly exterminated. Its theorised that Varys is also a Blackfyre, and is trying to engineer the ascension of a Blackfyre to the Iron Throne.
Hopefully we'll get a three way Dragon battle. Jon Snow vs Daenerys Targaryen vs "Aegon" Blackfyre, each of them riding their own dragon.
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. Forgot the whole bastard thing ? Beside she was terrible even before that.
