Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Lol, I just was able to order one....

...wasted fifty dollars?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
...wasted fifty dollars?

heck no, cxld just before committing.... Point is they are still out there....

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
...wasted fifty dollars?

heck no, cxld just before committing.... Point is they are still out there....

Krazynadechukr, not to be fightey but it was made a point in the beginning of the thread that there are still hardback copies in the US. The UK and other areas seem to be sold out.

I imagine that when the US supply is exhausted that there will not be a new batch made and the only option will be the Apple digital product.

I really like the book enough that I actual want a physical copy. I just don't know why they priced it at $50 or if I can justify that much.

This might sound 'mean', but it is likely true.

*They knew that no one would buy 5000 copies, so they made it limited edition so that people would hurry and buy 5000 copies. Dawg!

Niche market, folks. It seems GW knows how to exploit it very well.

It's just funny. So many Posters complained about this new codex, called it a supplement, before it even came out. It finally comes out, is a stand alone army codex. Then a "scare" it might run out, a panic for some. The irony and hypocrisy is just so funny. That's why these threads are so entertaining...

That was a very insightful post that furthered the discussion. So much.

Personally, I was looking to buy it (physically) just not to have any hassle with a potential TFG who would say I can't field it unless I have the realz rulez. My local FLGS only got 2 or 3 copies who sold out same day, and the GW store told me they couldn't get it in for me, it was out of stock. And I bought a tablet specifically to carry rules pdfs and epubs.

By the Way, UB Reader is free on the playstore and reads the Astra Militarum, Inquisition and Adepta Sororitas very well. It is not UB's fault that the codex themselves are... disappointing.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
It's just funny. So many Posters complained about this new codex, called it a supplement, before it even came out. It finally comes out, is a stand alone army codex. Then a "scare" it might run out, a panic for some. The irony and hypocrisy is just so funny. That's why these threads are so entertaining...

I'm not seeing it. I don't see a scare, or even a significant amount of people rushing to buy it on these boards, or people who think its even a good idea to buy a book that contains very little for that much money.

But its great you can twist things to fit your view of this forum.

Its still a waste of money, and GW is still making questionable decisions as a business. That's what people are talking about.

You can read the MT codex with kindle, so it's not apple exclusive.

 streetsamurai wrote:
You can read the MT codex with kindle, so it's not apple exclusive.

You can't get the iBooks version on Kindle which is frankly the superior version of the digital release versions.

It's the fact that they didn't label it as limited which is so confusing/disquieting. I'd have probably picked it up if it'd been clearly marked as such, but since it wasn't I didn't bother. I guess 5000ish is a bigger number than GW's general limited run of books though. So, there's that.

How about we talk about the potential dirtiest tactic, gents?

You invested your design team to create the new IG book. You want to drum up hype and maximize the profits from your investement. What better form of advertisement is something your customers would pay for?

So, let's split out a known "separate" faction in the book, sprinkle a bit of fluff and special rules, and sell this previous investment at a $50 price point along with a sampling of the new models. Limit the supply so you don't over invest in a product that you know will become readily redundant upon release of the new IG codex.

Thus, you can double dip, drum up hype, and make some of your customers buy the same thing twice. Maybe three times if they buy the White Dwarf.

The Stormtroopers codex isn't redundant to non-IG players though. Inq players can get a lot of mileage out of it (they can basically build the a C:WH Inq/Stormtroopers army from 3rd with better toys now) for example. In fact anyone who wants to field Stormtroopers without needing a bunch of Guard has a utility for it.

It's only the Guard players who don't really need the book.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also implying GW is intentionally bilking players implies there is someone there competent enough to plan something like that to bilk players. And I'm pretty sure we've established that GW's management isn't the most competent when it comes to making business decisions.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The Stormtroopers codex isn't redundant to non-IG players though. Inq players can get a lot of mileage out of it (they can basically build the a C:WH Inq/Stormtroopers army from 3rd with better toys now) for example. In fact anyone who wants to field Stormtroopers without needing a bunch of Guard has a utility for it.

It's only the Guard players who don't really need the book.

I beg to differ. Look at the major statement being thrown around: "Grab the orders and you're done."

That's essentially it. Nothing is different that cannot be found on one page to play the storm troopers out of the IG book. GW would know this, thus make a special splat book, make is limited print because you know it's very light in original material, and kick it out the door for $50 prior to the release of the parent codex.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
It's just funny. So many Posters complained about this new codex, called it a supplement, before it even came out. It finally comes out, is a stand alone army codex. Then a "scare" it might run out, a panic for some. The irony and hypocrisy is just so funny. That's why these threads are so entertaining...

I'm not seeing this, krazy. Maybe we have different perspectives on the issue, so please explain to me your opinion as to why everyone is unfairly complaining about this codex.

From my perspective, people called MT a supplement because it is essentially that. It is a re-branded supplement; I would have to assume GW decided branding things as "supplement" caused some of its potential customers to avoid the items because they were not seen as core items.

The Space Marine supplements are the same thing as the MT codex: they take a couple of units from an existing codex, add additional rules to these units that they don't have in their "home" codex (most often making these units Trooops), add in new or existing background, and then sell the book at the same price point as a full codex.

Mind you, these supple-codexes still contain only maybe a 5th of an actual army list. They are no different than the supplements, again just re-branded. I think people had good reason to call it a supplement. The fact that it was called a codex points to the idea that GW understands the marketability of attaching the word "codex" to these books.

As far as a "scare" goes, I'm not seeing it. Why can't people be surprised an item that was never listed as LE has disappeared from sale? Coupled with the fact that GW simply removes items that are out-of-stock without a notice rather than simply marking them as "Out-of-stock," and it's even less clear what has happened. This news from Naftka, while being news from an inconsistent source, is consistent with what people are seeing around the world: that this book has disappeared from print. GW already stated that there will not be a mobi-version of this book, so there is more evidence that GW is not invested in making MT a continued product.

Where is the irony and hypocrisy in this whole issue?

Aww... For once, Games Workshop actually had me start a new army. I really wanted to do this, you know. I really wanted to give them my money. Ah, well, still got me iPhone so it's a non-issue. It's still weird they never mentioned it was limited edition. Perhaps it wasn't but sales figures weren't what they hoped?

 TheKbob wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The Stormtroopers codex isn't redundant to non-IG players though. Inq players can get a lot of mileage out of it (they can basically build the a C:WH Inq/Stormtroopers army from 3rd with better toys now) for example. In fact anyone who wants to field Stormtroopers without needing a bunch of Guard has a utility for it.

It's only the Guard players who don't really need the book.

I beg to differ. Look at the major statement being thrown around: "Grab the orders and you're done."

That's essentially it. Nothing is different that cannot be found on one page to play the storm troopers out of the IG book. GW would know this, thus make a special splat book, make is limited print because you know it's very light in original material, and kick it out the door for $50 prior to the release of the parent codex.

The mini-dex is priced the same way they've priced the other mini-dexes: namely too damn much. Kicking it out early doesn't even make sense as a bilking tactic against IG players since rules and points costs were released in the WD making the book only useful if you wanted to run the army by itself.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Aww... For once, Games Workshop actually had me start a new army. I really wanted to do this, you know. I really wanted to give them my money. Ah, well, still got me iPhone so it's a non-issue. It's still weird they never mentioned it was limited edition. Perhaps it wasn't but sales figures weren't what they hoped?

It might not be limited edition. We haven't confirmed it yet.

I love how everyone is skeptical about everything Natfka posts except this.

I am always baffled by GW's short-sightedness. I mean...it's the internet and everyone publishing print stuff nowadays struggles, especially those companies who e.g. mainly rely on rules. And the logical consequence to them is...making the print stuff not available to purchase after not even two weeks?

You should feel lucky GW even *lets* you buy their product, in their opinion.

1. It's still available in the US.

 TheKbob wrote:
How about we talk about the potential dirtiest tactic, gents?

You invested your design team to create the new IG book. You want to drum up hype and maximize the profits from your investement. What better form of advertisement is something your customers would pay for?

So, let's split out a known "separate" faction in the book, sprinkle a bit of fluff and special rules, and sell this previous investment at a $50 price point along with a sampling of the new models. Limit the supply so you don't over invest in a product that you know will become readily redundant upon release of the new IG codex.

Thus, you can double dip, drum up hype, and make some of your customers buy the same thing twice. Maybe three times if they buy the White Dwarf.

2. Codex: MT and Codex: AS are different. C:MT allows for a stand alone / primary detachment of Scions with an HQ (there own order system), troops w/ opt. transport, Valkyrie fast attack and some formations. C:AM only allow the Scions to be taken as an elites choice.

 oni wrote:
1. It's still available in the US.

 TheKbob wrote:
How about we talk about the potential dirtiest tactic, gents?

You invested your design team to create the new IG book. You want to drum up hype and maximize the profits from your investement. What better form of advertisement is something your customers would pay for?

So, let's split out a known "separate" faction in the book, sprinkle a bit of fluff and special rules, and sell this previous investment at a $50 price point along with a sampling of the new models. Limit the supply so you don't over invest in a product that you know will become readily redundant upon release of the new IG codex.

Thus, you can double dip, drum up hype, and make some of your customers buy the same thing twice. Maybe three times if they buy the White Dwarf.

2. Codex: MT and Codex: AS are different. C:MT allows for a stand alone / primary detachment of Scions with an HQ (there own order system), troops w/ opt. transport, Valkyrie fast attack and some formations. C:AM only allow the Scions to be taken as an elites choice.

I'll answer as replies to both bullet points:

1. It has been established multiple times that MT in in fact still available in the US, that is not the issue in debate.

The issue is the fact that (a) it is no longer available in a number of other countries, including the UK, (b) a rumor (on naftka, yes I know, their reliability is poor) states that GW will not be producing any more of the hardbooks, and so what ever stock the US has, once it's gone it's gone...all of this coupled with (c) GW has officially stated that they will NOT be producing a mobi-version of this book, pointing to the fact that GW is so unconcerned about MT that they can't even make the second digital format.

2. Are Force Organization changes, a couple of Orders, and a bit of new fluff *really* worth $50? Those are the only differences between MT and AM...well that and MT has considerably less content than AM.

If you say "yes," then that's fine, you are the target demographic for products like this. I personally think the price is beyond exorbitant for what essentially is a quarter of another codex (they are still the same models/units, just different spots in the force org.).

A regular codex shouldn't be $50 so saying that the mini-dex cost too much for a rulebook is a no-brainer honestly.

MT does have different lore at least (first time GW has really looked into what goes on in a Schola as far as I remember at least and they're officially horrible places to live), but no, it shouldn't be $50. NO rulebook (beyond maybe the full-sized rulebook and that's only if a cheaper "Rules Only" version exists too) should be that much.

 streetsamurai wrote:
You can read the MT codex with kindle, so it's not apple exclusive.

Care to explain how, exactly? You know, since the only digital version of Codex: Weathericus Soldiericus is the iPad-exclusive iBooks DRM-protected version that doesn't run on Kindle, or indeed anything else except the iPad.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The mini-dexes let you field the force as a stand along (so they don't have to take all the Guard stuff), or as allies without taking Guard so it's got a point. It's just not worth $50 (then again I don't think codexes in general should be $50).

I don't have the C:MT book (physical or digital)... is there anything different about the unit presented there compared with the platoon in the IG codex? I know it also has missions and probably warlord traits but is the entry any different? If not.. most of the utility of that book can just be had from the IG codex by simply using that entry and saying the command is the HQ and the regular guys troops.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Lol, I just was able to order one....

To be precise, it sold out 6th April in North America, a day after release. We had several posts in different threads about it. Seems, they got another shipment from UK, which will last a few days more until sold out globally.


http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?392518-Militarum-Tempestus-Codex-Sold-Out

 warboss wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The mini-dexes let you field the force as a stand along (so they don't have to take all the Guard stuff), or as allies without taking Guard so it's got a point. It's just not worth $50 (then again I don't think codexes in general should be $50).

I don't have the C:MT book (physical or digital)... is there anything different about the unit presented there compared with the platoon in the IG codex? I know it also has missions and probably warlord traits but is the entry any different? If not.. most of the utility of that book can just be had from the IG codex by simply using that entry and saying the command is the HQ and the regular guys troops.

Warlord Traits, the formations in the back of the book and the fact that their not organized into Platoons pretty much covers the crunch aspect of it.

Interestingly this is the first codex with 0 artefacts.

And yes, if you own the IG codex you basically don't need the MT book, but it's true in reverse if you're not planning on allying IG to your army too.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
And I'm still amused that this is a Natfka based rumor that is getting a LOT of credit without a second source on if the books are coming back or not when everything else Natfka posts is treated like toxic waste until someone else confirms it.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is epic.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Spoiler:

 warboss wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
The mini-dexes let you field the force as a stand along (so they don't have to take all the Guard stuff), or as allies without taking Guard so it's got a point. It's just not worth $50 (then again I don't think codexes in general should be $50).

I don't have the C:MT book (physical or digital)... is there anything different about the unit presented there compared with the platoon in the IG codex? I know it also has missions and probably warlord traits but is the entry any different? If not.. most of the utility of that book can just be had from the IG codex by simply using that entry and saying the command is the HQ and the regular guys troops.

Warlord Traits, the formations in the back of the book and the fact that their not organized into Platoons pretty much covers the crunch aspect of it.

Interestingly this is the first codex with 0 artefacts.

And yes, if you own the IG codex you basically don't need the MT book, but it's true in reverse if you're not planning on allying IG to your army too.

And I'm still amused that this is a Natfka based rumor that is getting a LOT of credit without a second source on if the books are coming back or not when everything else Natfka posts is treated like toxic waste until someone else confirms it.

I think the main reason I give it any credit is just because of the "No Mobi-version of the MT codex" thing. It's at least consistent with GW not putting much additional effort into the MT release.

 Accolade wrote:
I think the main reason I give it any credit is just because of the "No Mobi-version of the MT codex" thing. It's at least consistent with GW not putting much additional effort into the MT release.

Eh, I'm not giving it credit without secondary and possibly tertiary sources who aren't just echoing Natfka. But that's how I approach all rumors.