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These are apparently red sable rather than Kolinksy (as with the earlier G&G pro brush KS).

 Manchu wrote:
These are apparently red sable rather than Kolinksy (as with the earlier G&G pro brush KS).

In which case you could get equivalent brushes from R&C for £9 including UK postage. I like Ichiban's YT content a lot, but £30 for four brushes is a bit of a joke. That's approaching GW-levels of brand-based markup.

Rosemary & Co series 33 all the way for me, http://www.rosemaryandco.com/ Large belly, high quality, and very reasonable. Plus, I feel like my money is going to Rosemary, the hippy looking woman on the website, which makes me happy. I also like to convince myself that she makes all of the brushes herself, but that may not be the case.

So, while these look cool, I won't be backing, especially as I go through brushes so quickly.

I asked a mate who backed their previous brush KS what he thought of them, since they look nice.

This was his reply:

They fething suck total balls. I keep forgetting to ask Lovejoy why he's sponsoring the new ones, but I doubt I'd get a real answer. Actually they're good for mixing paint and applying glue.

I guess I'll stick with Army Painter and locally ourced brushes like Roymac for my cheap stuff, and W&N S7 for my top stuff. I may try rosemary at some stage since I've heard of them a few times now, and always positive feedback.

 HisDivineShadow wrote:
I'm sorry. .. almost 60 usd for 4 brushes?

Ill carry on with cheapies...

I used to think this way too. I'd buy craft store golden taklon brushes for $4.00 or so at Michaels, and sure, they'd fall apart after a month or two, or they'd start to curl at the tip, or whatever, but I could just buy another for $4. Cheap, right?

The problem with this line of thinking is that if you go through - I'm being generous here - 5 brushes a year, you paid $20 for brushes, and they were pretty lousy brushes. Meanwhile, I eventually got clued in on this site to Winsor & Newton Series 7. I got a Size 1 for $14 and it's lasted me a year and a half and it still looks and performs the same as it did the day it arrived. It's a pretty good example of the Theory of Boots in action.

 basement.dweller wrote:
Frankly I'm surprised how people are so willing to part with their money on an unproved product like a paint brush? It's even weirder given how
the reviews I've read about G&G's previous venture into the brushes have not been good...

This here is a must read by Meg Maples (studio painter for privateer press) on painting with focus on brushes.
Everything you need to know about brushes from a pro. Even a comparison between brands.

http://arcanepaintworks.blogspot.se/2013/12/all-about-brushes.html

Here is a good review with tests and a comparison from a self confessed amateur.

http://dropshipstudio.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/games-gears-studio-brush-review/

I'd need to read a review of improved quality compared to their prior efforts before I'd buy.

Thanks for those thoughts and this link, basement!

 Azazelx wrote:
I asked a mate who backed their previous brush KS what he thought of them, since they look nice.

This was his reply:

They fething suck total balls. I keep forgetting to ask Lovejoy why he's sponsoring the new ones, but I doubt I'd get a real answer. Actually they're good for mixing paint and applying glue.

I guess I'll stick with Army Painter and locally ourced brushes like Roymac for my cheap stuff, and W&N S7 for my top stuff. I may try rosemary at some stage since I've heard of them a few times now, and always positive feedback.

Whoa . Yeah, Windsor & Newton for normal painting and cheap brushes for drybrushing / applying glue/ etc is what I'm going to stick to, as well. Thanks for passing along the warning.

No probs RiTides..

Also there is an import ban to the US at least for Kolinsky sable as far as I know. Not sure what kind of problems this might cause for you guys. I only read about it in passing as it doesn't directly concern me so I didn't pay much attention.

A little to buy sight unseen.

Here is a review of the brushes from miniwargaming .com

http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/games-gears-ichiban-studio-pro-line-brushes-review

Might help people to decide if the quality vs expense is worth it for the kickstarter

 dantay_xv wrote:
Here is a review of the brushes from miniwargaming .com

http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/games-gears-ichiban-studio-pro-line-brushes-review

Might help people to decide if the quality vs expense is worth it for the kickstarter

It might also help people to decide if they note that MWG and Ichiban are not exactly strangers; are they not both part of the WGC youtube network?

I have no idea.

I go to the MWG website for the painting tutorials and the battle reports, I generally don't frequent youtube.

But as it is Kris the resident painter doing the review, I would hope he is being unbiased

Nothing new here,
http://www.dickblick.com/products/da-vinci-maestro-travel-brush/
Da vinci already made these.

 dantay_xv wrote:
I have no idea.

I go to the MWG website for the painting tutorials and the battle reports, I generally don't frequent youtube.

But as it is Kris the resident painter doing the review, I would hope he is being unbiased

I doubt there would be any intentional bias, but people are generally more favourably disposed to stuff their friends do than otherwise would be the case - you'll note that when doing the painting comparison section, he only compares to the regular GW brushes, not the W&N 7s he had out when comparing the bristles; he sees a few positives in the brushes which, personally, I'd expect to be standard features of any sable brush even factory-made red sables, like being able to form the tip(and incidentally, I would think it's less important that they're capable of forming a "chisel", ie splaying the bristles out, than it is to see how capable they are of holding a fine point); and of course there's no mention of the elephant in the room, the price. It's a fine wee demonstration video if your only point of reference is GW's brushes, but I'd hesitate to call it a review given how uncritical it is.

... So we're comparing them to GW's Citadel range only? Well its not hard to beat that hadns down on price AND quality at the same time.
Shame that doesnt really mean a great deal :/

All I'm saying is that if anyone wants these... why wait for a kickstarter to finish?
Order them from a well known and reputable brush maker; Da Vinci...

Although the concept isnt great, Hollow handles on tools isnt generally a good thing. A decent lid for a conventional brush would be much more welcome (oh wait we have those too.. they come with ALL brushes)

No worries. I am considering them because I travel offshore a lot so having brushes in their own wee carry case would be handy.

I do need to learn more about brushes personally as I tend to just get hobbystore brushes, and maybe I need to look at better quality brushes to 'up my game' so to speak

I do wish they would go to a 000 brush.

On the bright side atleast he wasnt totally biassed towards the new brushes

000, 00, and 0 are kind of obsoleted when you have a quality brush maker... all sizes achieve the same perfect point, the brush size is about paint capacity - size of the belly.

See, this I didnt know, I associate the smaller brushes with fine and ultra fine detailing, which is what I want to learn to do.

if you need area coverage, look for a flat brush rather than a round too.
Rounds are not designed to cover things in even coats, theyre detail or lining brushes mostly. (lining brushes tend to have longer bristles and are called 'riggers')

Thanks for the tips.

Almost 57k, doing well.

If you want to transport brushes, I use a brush tube that I got from hobby craft, and I use an elastic band and a dowel cut to the length of the tube.
Bundle up the brushes with the dowel, put the band around them to hold them in place, pop into the tube.
Completely protected from tip damage, and fits any kind of brush.

FWIW, my W&N Series 7s came in their own brush tubes.

Might have to give this one a tickle

This is one of the most sensible threads on this subject that I've seen.

I can still recall the G&G guys saying their last brushes were going to be comparable to WN7s (here, if I'm not mistaken... I should look that up).

I can't see backing the KS on this. Like last time, these are gimmicky brushes that only a VERY small number of painters would actually need and/or want. People have been transporting brushes for years without resorting to a gimmicky handle case. I also have my doubts about the comfort of those thick handles over the long-haul.

The really important thing is brush quality - which G&G screwed so badly last time I'm not sure why anybody would give them MORE money for brushes this time around.

Wait until they come out. If it turns out that they've actually fixed all of their manufacturing issues and created a truly quality brush then we can all celebrate and buy some of their brushes. If not, you stick with your current brand and you've lost nothing. Don't get sucked in by marketing hype and "celebrity" endorsements.

The fact that they've been very active on here promoting other products in the past, and yet remain curiously silent for this seems odd.

Or am I reading too much into that?

Well, for the battle boards they were really pushing to get through the stretch goals necessary to make every theme have a full 6 unique tiles. This project is funded, and the stretches seem to be more minor extra things to buy rather than vital parts of the whole.

 azreal13 wrote:
The fact that they've been very active on here promoting other products in the past, and yet remain curiously silent for this seems odd.

Or am I reading too much into that?

No, it is a bit odd...

I was wondering about that myself...

yeah,


A3 and A2 photography back drops.


These are very interesting, I've always wanted to try and set up a permanent photo box in my war room.
Looking forward to seeing how much these will cost and what they are made of?

I think its kinda a smart move by G&G as if people adopt these alot of future gaming photos will have their product in the photos!

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
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I think its kinda a smart move by G&G as if people adopt these alot of future gaming photos will have their product in the photos!

Panic...

Hope they don't have the logo on it. At least not on the side you need to take a photo of that kind of defeats the point of the background.