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 ClockworkZion wrote:
-Escalation and Stronghold Assault rules are in, but profiles are not (and they were added to try and balance the Riptide and Wraithknight, paticulalry for Imperial Armies who don't have a lot of tools to shut them down fast enough)

Sounds like GW, so I believe it. Instead of just fixing the unit that is broken, go the opposite way and change the entire game because of them.

Any more info on the sideboard thing? I'd love to see that rumor officially debunked, because otherwise I see a 40K version of the poison cup scene from "The Princess Bride" happening prior to every game:
Player 1: but it's so simple...all I have to to do is divine wether or not your the kind of person who would bring a tank sideboard or swarm the table with more models...I am not a fool, so I clearly know that someone who already brought an army of infantry is bringing tanks so I must choose my melta sideboard. But you know I am not a great fool, so you clearly brought more infantry and I must choose my anti-horde sideboard.
Player 2: you've made your decision then?
Player 1: not remotely, because your paint scheme is tzeentch, and tzeentch is the god of change and conspiracy so you don't trust anyone, and I cannot take my anti-horde sideboard
Player 2: truly you have a dizzying intellect
Player 1: wait til you see my dakkadakka posts! And you must have realized that I knew about tzeentch, and so you brought all infantry for yours!
Player 2: ehhh...just pick one. d6 it?
Player 1: you played in a hardboyz tourney, so you enjoy max firepower and are counting on your infantry to score, so I must prepare for tanks. But, you also won a painting contest, so you like small models and I should be prepared for lots of them.
Player 2: I'm not going to tell you dude.
Player 1: but you already basically did! I know exactly which one to take! Oh, look at that magic player over there! (Switches his carrying cases). Ok, let's pick.
Player 1 pulls out his Mixed sideboard : haha didn't see that coming! I am a 40K tactical genius!
Player 2 pulls out a screamer star. Player 1 chokes and dies.

 -Loki- wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
-Escalation and Stronghold Assault rules are in, but profiles are not (and they were added to try and balance the Riptide and Wraithknight, paticulalry for Imperial Armies who don't have a lot of tools to shut them down fast enough)

Sounds like GW, so I believe it. Instead of just fixing the unit that is broken, go the opposite way and change the entire game because of them.

Plus it let's them continue selling the Escalation and Stronghold books while giving people the profiles so they don't need them if they aren't playing with them (just against them) allowing GW to make you pay to use the stuff still.

Space Wolves instead of Blood Angels now??. Wow. I'll be dead shocked if this was true.

 greyknight12 wrote:
Any more info on the sideboard thing? I'd love to see that rumor officially debunked, because otherwise I see a 40K version of the poison cup scene from "The Princess Bride" happening prior to every game:
Player 1: but it's so simple...all I have to to do is divine wether or not your the kind of person who would bring a tank sideboard or swarm the table with more models...I am not a fool, so I clearly know that someone who already brought an army of infantry is bringing tanks so I must choose my melta sideboard. But you know I am not a great fool, so you clearly brought more infantry and I must choose my anti-horde sideboard.
Player 2: you've made your decision then?
Player 1: not remotely, because your paint scheme is tzeentch, and tzeentch is the god of change and conspiracy so you don't trust anyone, and I cannot take my anti-horde sideboard
Player 2: truly you have a dizzying intellect
Player 1: wait til you see my dakkadakka posts! And you must have realized that I knew about tzeentch, and so you brought all infantry for yours!
Player 2: ehhh...just pick one. d6 it?
Player 1: you played in a hardboyz tourney, so you enjoy max firepower and are counting on your infantry to score, so I must prepare for tanks. But, you also won a painting contest, so you like small models and I should be prepared for lots of them.
Player 2: I'm not going to tell you dude.
Player 1: but you already basically did! I know exactly which one to take! Oh, look at that magic player over there! (Switches his carrying cases). Ok, let's pick.
Player 1 pulls out his Mixed sideboard : haha didn't see that coming! I am a 40K tactical genius!
Player 2 pulls out a screamer star. Player 1 chokes and dies.

Hey, Greyknight? That post you made? You're my new best friend. Don't like it? Tough.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Talking to my "source" (or whatever you want to call him) here's what I got:
-No known changes to psychic powers
-Assault changes where on the table at one point to try and make it more on par with shooting but it's unclear if they made it in or not right now
-Escalation and Stronghold Assault rules are in, but profiles are not (and they were added to try and balance the Riptide and Wraithknight, paticulalry for Imperial Armies who don't have a lot of tools to shut them down fast enough)
EDIT: -Just one book, not three.
-New Starter isn't Marines and Orks .

Interesting.


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Link to the twitter rumors?

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Talking to my "source" (or whatever you want to call him) here's what I got:
-No known changes to psychic powers
-Assault changes where on the table at one point to try and make it more on par with shooting but it's unclear if they made it in or not right now
-Escalation and Stronghold Assault rules are in, but profiles are not (and they were added to try and balance the Riptide and Wraithknight, paticulalry for Imperial Armies who don't have a lot of tools to shut them down fast enough)
EDIT: -Just one book, not three.
-New Starter isn't Marines and Orks .

Interesting.

The first two are iffy because it's based on what was true at one point before the update was finalized. The rest I feel is fairly solid and is something actually useful since it's more definite.

 greyknight12 wrote:
Any more info on the sideboard thing? I'd love to see that rumor officially debunked, because otherwise I see a 40K version of the poison cup scene from "The Princess Bride" happening prior to every game:
Player 1: but it's so simple...all I have to to do is divine wether or not your the kind of person who would bring a tank sideboard or swarm the table with more models...I am not a fool, so I clearly know that someone who already brought an army of infantry is bringing tanks so I must choose my melta sideboard. But you know I am not a great fool, so you clearly brought more infantry and I must choose my anti-horde sideboard.
Player 2: you've made your decision then?
Player 1: not remotely, because your paint scheme is tzeentch, and tzeentch is the god of change and conspiracy so you don't trust anyone, and I cannot take my anti-horde sideboard
Player 2: truly you have a dizzying intellect
Player 1: wait til you see my dakkadakka posts! And you must have realized that I knew about tzeentch, and so you brought all infantry for yours!
Player 2: ehhh...just pick one. d6 it?
Player 1: you played in a hardboyz tourney, so you enjoy max firepower and are counting on your infantry to score, so I must prepare for tanks. But, you also won a painting contest, so you like small models and I should be prepared for lots of them.
Player 2: I'm not going to tell you dude.
Player 1: but you already basically did! I know exactly which one to take! Oh, look at that magic player over there! (Switches his carrying cases). Ok, let's pick.
Player 1 pulls out his Mixed sideboard : haha didn't see that coming! I am a 40K tactical genius!
Player 2 pulls out a screamer star. Player 1 chokes and dies.

best post ive seen in a long time

Any news if Chaos is going to finalkly get some Chosen Squad sets similar to the Raptors with this new edition. The Faet rumors got me psyked... and then as usual completely let me down.

Hopefully, hopefully this new update isn't a complete catastrophe and is actually good. Maybe even finally get some Legion rules, because right now you're better suited using HH rules for Chaos.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
-Escalation and Stronghold Assault rules are in, but profiles are not (and they were added to try and balance the Riptide and Wraithknight, paticulalry for Imperial Armies who don't have a lot of tools to

That is a bunch of BS. If GW wanted to address the OP nature of Riptides and Wraith Knights, they would just FAQ them.

If they added Escalation and Stronghold Assault, it is to sell big expensive models, not to balance anything.

Sideboard rumor Is idiotic and impossible in a Game like 40k.

Magic is easy. Take a card out. Put one in. Done.

in a wargame? How many units have exactly the same points cost?

Lemme switch out my 100 pts of scouts for this 250 Termie unit?

99% of these rumors are conjecture.

tag8833 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
-Escalation and Stronghold Assault rules are in, but profiles are not (and they were added to try and balance the Riptide and Wraithknight, paticulalry for Imperial Armies who don't have a lot of tools to

That is a bunch of BS. If GW wanted to address the OP nature of Riptides and Wraith Knights, they would just FAQ them.

If they added Escalation and Stronghold Assault, it is to sell big expensive models, not to balance anything.

Right, and when is the last time they nerfed something in a FAQ that wasn't just a poorly interpreted rule?

I don't remember anything since the edition started, do you?

 gorgon wrote:
Yeah that - a bonafide multipart kit. It was a pretty innocuous remark. Not sure where the attitude came from, or how it turned into a GW complaint.

It's not "attitude" (what is this? The 90's? ). It's a genuine concern. The idea that Cultists would get a multi-part kit doesn't make a lot of sense. They don't have any real options (Shotgun or CCW/Heavy Stubber or Flamer), and it would cost a bundle to make a whole new kit. At best they'd get a recut DV sprue so that they can do a box of 10, but I wouldn't expect any more than that. I wouldn't even expect that.

Well I couldn't find the exact strip, but Rat's philosophy suits our situation well.



Assume that the 7th edition is going to be absolutely terrible, disappointment is impossible as we expect it to be terrible. If it isn't, rejoice! We lose absolutely nothing in the process by not getting our hopes up.

I for one expect the only good thing to come from this is a possible model update for some factions.

Expecting models is expecting much. We need to aim lower. Like "it will use paper" low.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Expecting models is expecting much. We need to aim lower. Like "it will use paper" low.

Paper would be too expensive. All miniatures will now be made of packing peanuts.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Expecting models is expecting much. We need to aim lower. Like "it will use paper" low.

Paper would be too expensive. All miniatures will now be made of packing peanuts.

You're right, paper would be too expensive for the rulebook. It'll be printed on the broken hopes and dreams of the customers instead.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Talking to my "source" (or whatever you want to call him) here's what I got:
-No known changes to psychic powers
-Assault changes where on the table at one point to try and make it more on par with shooting but it's unclear if they made it in or not right now
-Escalation and Stronghold Assault rules are in, but profiles are not (and they were added to try and balance the Riptide and Wraithknight, paticulalry for Imperial Armies who don't have a lot of tools to shut them down fast enough)
EDIT: -Just one book, not three.
-New Starter isn't Marines and Orks .

Interesting.

The first two are iffy because it's based on what was true at one point before the update was finalized. The rest I feel is fairly solid and is something actually useful since it's more definite.

Is it too much of a stretch to possibly predict that the rumored starter set could possibly be Orks and IG (ahem, sorry, Astra Militarum)? Think about it...Commisar on the poster, that new Armageddon strategy game...GW could make a lot of money with an Armageddon starter set with plastic steel legion...

 spectreoneone wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Talking to my "source" (or whatever you want to call him) here's what I got:
-No known changes to psychic powers
-Assault changes where on the table at one point to try and make it more on par with shooting but it's unclear if they made it in or not right now
-Escalation and Stronghold Assault rules are in, but profiles are not (and they were added to try and balance the Riptide and Wraithknight, paticulalry for Imperial Armies who don't have a lot of tools to shut them down fast enough)
EDIT: -Just one book, not three.
-New Starter isn't Marines and Orks .

Interesting.

The first two are iffy because it's based on what was true at one point before the update was finalized. The rest I feel is fairly solid and is something actually useful since it's more definite.

Is it too much of a stretch to possibly predict that the rumored starter set could possibly be Orks and IG (ahem, sorry, Astra Militarum)? Think about it...Commisar on the poster, that new Armageddon strategy game...GW could make a lot of money with an Armageddon starter set with plastic steel legion...

While not impossible I really don't know. We can basically rule out Sisters and anything Chaos in the future because both just are too likely to set off the Soccer Moms and from what I understand there is a very solid desire by GW to push more into the toy store demographic again (like they did for LotR). I don't know how fast they plan to do this, but I assume they still want to avoid angering soccer moms who have nothing better to do with their time than be offended.

EDIT: Yes I know we just got Chaos but things change and apparently GW is finally looking at a wider market again from what I've heard so we're looking at them getting more PC about how they push themselves.

Plastic Steel Legion would be grand. The assault does need a redo...

The guys at a local GW store near where I used to live told me how they avoided offending the soccer moms when showing the rules and books, they just knew what sections to avoid in the large books. I would hate to have been there when the soccer mom rolls in hot about her child showing her the demons pictured in the books. I never heard of an incident though.
The newer boxed sets with the mini rules would be less offensive than the larger Chaos books. So I could see those going into general retail stores.

The offended thing can get nuts. I live in a part of the US that was swearing up and down that Harry Potter was teaching actual witchcraft. You know, because Latin (the same thing they speak in Catholic services and the like) somehow is magic.

I can't even claim to live in the South as an excuse either, people are just special.

W40K is too niche and unknown for anyone in America to call it out. The only bad press I can remember W40K getting from uber-right fundies was some Greek magazine writer. Otherwise there's been nothing.

Also, since GW is British, I don't think they'll care at all about American conservatives, if even know about their existence.

I did see a guy on an episode of horders who had some warhammer stuff.

But it was third edition ultra marines so I think we are safe.

 Wyzilla wrote:
W40K is too niche and unknown for anyone in America to call it out. The only bad press I can remember W40K getting from uber-right fundies was some Greek magazine writer. Otherwise there's been nothing.

Also, since GW is British, I don't think they'll care at all about American conservatives, if even know about their existence.

Please don't conflate conservatives with those that think stuff is devil worship. It's like conflating Frat douches to all college students.

Edit: or the cast of "Jersey Shore" to all Italians.

 Idolator wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
W40K is too niche and unknown for anyone in America to call it out. The only bad press I can remember W40K getting from uber-right fundies was some Greek magazine writer. Otherwise there's been nothing.

Also, since GW is British, I don't think they'll care at all about American conservatives, if even know about their existence.

Please don't conflate conservatives with those that think stuff is devil worship. It's like conflating Frat douches to all college students.

Hence why I specified uber-right fundies. Rather than just normal conservative Americans.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

tag8833 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
-Escalation and Stronghold Assault rules are in, but profiles are not (and they were added to try and balance the Riptide and Wraithknight, paticulalry for Imperial Armies who don't have a lot of tools to

That is a bunch of BS. If GW wanted to address the OP nature of Riptides and Wraith Knights, they would just FAQ them.

If they added Escalation and Stronghold Assault, it is to sell big expensive models, not to balance anything.

Right, and when is the last time they nerfed something in a FAQ that wasn't just a poorly interpreted rule?

I don't remember anything since the edition started, do you?

You are right. The last time they majorly nerfed something in a FAQ was when they released a new edition of the 40k Rulebook..... oh wait.

tag8833 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

tag8833 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
-Escalation and Stronghold Assault rules are in, but profiles are not (and they were added to try and balance the Riptide and Wraithknight, paticulalry for Imperial Armies who don't have a lot of tools to

That is a bunch of BS. If GW wanted to address the OP nature of Riptides and Wraith Knights, they would just FAQ them.

If they added Escalation and Stronghold Assault, it is to sell big expensive models, not to balance anything.

Right, and when is the last time they nerfed something in a FAQ that wasn't just a poorly interpreted rule?

I don't remember anything since the edition started, do you?

You are right. The last time they majorly nerfed something in a FAQ was when they released a new edition of the 40k Rulebook..... oh wait.

If you're talking the Power Weapons that was a core rule being applied to the game not something being FAQ'd to fix balance issues. Actually you must be thinking of a different gaming company because I can't think of any real balance issues the company fixed by FAQ in 5th or 6th.

GW's only motivation seems to be making money. The rumor I provided has them basically doing that by pissing on "balance" and adjusting problems by pouring more stuff on top and hoping it all work out, something we've seen them do before actually. Thinking the company, as it is now, would nerf something in a FAQ is far to idealist and frankly silly.

Expect them to do things to take your money, not make players happy.

Hey, I just recently got back into 40k (I used to play 4th edition) and i've started following these rumors, as i need a ruelbook soon
I've a question for you guys: It seems that many aren't really happy () with the rules.. so why don't you just houserule/create rules as a community? Is there anything (copyright or sth) that prevents you from writing + publishing rules online (non-commercia ofc)?
It's not like you're forced to play by the rules GW makes.. except for maybe tournaments, but a tournament organizer could have the same view anyways.

rasias wrote:
Hey, I just recently got back into 40k (I used to play 4th edition) and i've started following these rumors, as i need a ruelbook soon
I've a question for you guys: It seems that many aren't really happy () with the rules.. so why don't you just houserule/create rules as a community? Is there anything (copyright or sth) that prevents you from writing + publishing rules online (non-commercia ofc)?
It's not like you're forced to play by the rules GW makes.. except for maybe tournaments, but a tournament organizer could have the same view anyways.

A rabid legal team based in Nottingham and a company head that stated that they weren't afraid to use them to intimidate. In the investors annual report, no less.

 Idolator wrote:

rasias wrote:
Hey, I just recently got back into 40k (I used to play 4th edition) and i've started following these rumors, as i need a ruelbook soon
I've a question for you guys: It seems that many aren't really happy () with the rules.. so why don't you just houserule/create rules as a community? Is there anything (copyright or sth) that prevents you from writing + publishing rules online (non-commercia ofc)?
It's not like you're forced to play by the rules GW makes.. except for maybe tournaments, but a tournament organizer could have the same view anyways.

A rabid legal team based in Nottingham and a company head that stated that they weren't afraid to use them to intimidate. In the investors annual report, no less.

well.. then you wouldn't publish it online, but it wouldn't stop anyone of applying smaller rule changes that are discussed on forums anyways, does it?