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greyknight12 wrote: Any more info on the sideboard thing? I'd love to see that rumor officially debunked, because otherwise I see a 40K version of the poison cup scene from "The Princess Bride" happening prior to every game:
Player 1: but it's so simple...all I have to to do is divine wether or not your the kind of person who would bring a tank sideboard or swarm the table with more models...I am not a fool, so I clearly know that someone who already brought an army of infantry is bringing tanks so I must choose my melta sideboard. But you know I am not a great fool, so you clearly brought more infantry and I must choose my anti-horde sideboard.
Player 2: you've made your decision then?
Player 1: not remotely, because your paint scheme is tzeentch, and tzeentch is the god of change and conspiracy so you don't trust anyone, and I cannot take my anti-horde sideboard
Player 2: truly you have a dizzying intellect
Player 1: wait til you see my dakkadakka posts! And you must have realized that I knew about tzeentch, and so you brought all infantry for yours!
Player 2: ehhh...just pick one. d6 it?
Player 1: you played in a hardboyz tourney, so you enjoy max firepower and are counting on your infantry to score, so I must prepare for tanks. But, you also won a painting contest, so you like small models and I should be prepared for lots of them.
Player 2: I'm not going to tell you dude.
Player 1: but you already basically did! I know exactly which one to take! Oh, look at that magic player over there! (Switches his carrying cases). Ok, let's pick.
Player 1 pulls out his Mixed sideboard : haha didn't see that coming! I am a 40K tactical genius!
Player 2 pulls out a screamer star. Player 1 chokes and dies.
I was bitching to my GW store manager today about the staticness of the Eldar bikers and he told me to wait for the 24th...
Anyone else anything about New Eldar models?
All the salt but not impossible.
It's about as close to impossible as it gets.
Heavily rumoured 7th Ed, supported by IG illustrated poster somehow translates into often rumoured, long completed (apparently) never released new Eldar Jetbikes?
I'm guessing the staff have been told "wait for the 24th" to essentially everything!
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I was bitching to my GW store manager today about the staticness of the Eldar bikers and he told me to wait for the 24th...
Anyone else anything about New Eldar models?
All the salt but not impossible.
It's about as close to impossible as it gets.
Heavily rumoured 7th Ed, supported by IG illustrated poster somehow translates into often rumoured, long completed (apparently) never released new Eldar Jetbikes?
I'm guessing the staff have been told "wait for the 24th" to essentially everything!
I'd say it's less impossible than Sideboards.
IG vs Eldar popped up as a rumor before the poster did from what I saw at least.
I recall a rumor from earlier this week (pre-poster release as well) that mentioned Jetbikes. Maybe the Jetbikes aren't in a starter but are a second wave?
I don't know. I'm just trying to discern what the picture is while looking at a handful of puzzle pieces while sitting in the dark. As usual.
I was bitching to my GW store manager today about the staticness of the Eldar bikers and he told me to wait for the 24th...
Anyone else anything about New Eldar models?
All the salt but not impossible.
It's about as close to impossible as it gets.
Heavily rumoured 7th Ed, supported by IG illustrated poster somehow translates into often rumoured, long completed (apparently) never released new Eldar Jetbikes?
I'm guessing the staff have been told "wait for the 24th" to essentially everything!
I'd say it's less impossible than Sideboards.
IG vs Eldar popped up as a rumor before the poster did from what I saw at least.
I'm still of the opinion that there won't be a new starter, frankly.
But if you're rating new Jetbikes alongside Sideboards in terms of likeliness of happening, then we're probably thinking about the same!
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
TheKbob wrote: The % vs. FOC thing doesn't matter. They polluted one pool with digital releases, the % system probably wouldn't hold true either. And to beat that horse over there, it's not fixing the root cause which is unit point costs.
Unit points cost is a problem for us. However, I suspect that they know exactly what they are doing when they set the points cost of units.
The way we see it:
Spoiler:
Each model has capabilities and restrictions. The points cost of a unit should represent its capabilities and restrictions. That way many units are very viable options to use in the game, none are overpowered, and it is easy to play a fair game anyway with whatever codex or models you want.
The way they see it:
Spoiler:
Some kits are more profitable than others. We can set our margins higher on certain things (e.g Riptides) because our customers will still buy them, and we cannot get away with outrageous margins on other things (e.g. Ripper Swarms). Therefore we should set the abilities restrictions and points in such a way as to maximize our margins and thus our profit.
I think there is further dissonance when it comes to rules and balance.
The way we see it:
Spoiler:
Good rules, and balance, will lead to a game that I am happy to play and will make me encourage my friends to play it, which will grow the player base in the long run.
The way they see it:
Spoiler:
We are in an environment with incentives to business to grow very quickly, and then pay their executives insane salaries and bonuses, while paying out dividends to shareholders. The only thing important about rules and balance is how they effect our next quarter profits. Longer term growth is not important, because at any time the incentives could readjust, and gigantic salaries and excessive dividends could be taxed. We've got to cash out while we can. Every other business is doing the same thing, especially since cooperate bankruptcy is a joke, and there are no disincentives for fiscal mismanagement, and insider trading is safer and easier than ever. The only thing we know about the future is that the unsustainable policies that allow us to enrich ourselves without fear of tax or consequences will at some point end, and we must take advantage of all loop-holes that allow for self-enrichment while we can before the music stops, and we go back to having to making money commiserate with our skills and job performance, and at that point we can always sell the company and retire to spend more time with our money. In business school they teach you it would be unethical to think in any other way
I was bitching to my GW store manager today about the staticness of the Eldar bikers and he told me to wait for the 24th...
Anyone else anything about New Eldar models?
All the salt but not impossible.
It's about as close to impossible as it gets.
Heavily rumoured 7th Ed, supported by IG illustrated poster somehow translates into often rumoured, long completed (apparently) never released new Eldar Jetbikes?
I'm guessing the staff have been told "wait for the 24th" to essentially everything!
I'd say it's less impossible than Sideboards.
IG vs Eldar popped up as a rumor before the poster did from what I saw at least.
I'm still of the opinion that there won't be a new starter, frankly.
But if you're rating new Jetbikes alongside Sideboards in terms of likeliness of happening, then we're probably thinking about the same!
I'm not even sure if Eldar/IG are in a starter, but I do think that it's possible something is coming for them. Maybe new kits. I don't know, I'm just thinking aloud at this point.
Wasn't there rumors earlier this year about a wave release this summer? I thought csm were supposed to get cultists, Havocs, and a supplement. Perhaps the elder jet bikes are part of a bigger wave release to go with the 6.5/7th release?
We have to remember that we are now in the era of weekly waves, I find many people still think X is in Y month, but we have nothing, other than GW's desire to spread releases to allow their customers finances to recover, to prevent A,B and C in month Y.
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Nope, good catch. I'll update it. Although ,the choose two bit should be false as well.
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Puscifer wrote: I'd put my neck on the block to say its Orks vs Blood Angels.
Just saying...
I'll get the ax!
Kidding, kidding. I did hear that was an internal memo saying it wasn't Marines and Orks though.
now in the 'mystery' organisation where the memo originated are Marines with their own independent codexi (BA/SW etc) referred to as Marines ?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Actually with the way everybody can ally with everything now what's the chances of a starter box with units/characters from a wide range of factions in it.. Or at least some subset of allied detatchments
Gives the new players a taste of the style of a whole lot of armies so they're more likely to find one they like,
Encourages them to think about allies etc right from the start so make them more likely to buy everything they can afford instead of holding of on stuff that doesn't fit their chosen army
Means veteran players don't end up buying boxes and boxes of the low profit starter to expand their collections (as it will e too 'bitty' to be attractive)
Reduces the number of mini rule books in circulation on ebay (from veterans buying the starters for the minis only) so they have to buy the big hardback
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Actually with the way everybody can ally with everything now what's the chances of a starter box with units/characters from a wide range of factions in it.. Or at least some subset of allied detatchments
Unlikely. They did however have a 3rd edition Special Character box with HQs from a variety of armies but with most every blister going to direct along with lots of existing plastic kits I'd find a buffet style release unlikely from that perspective. I don't think ally rules have any bearing on it but YMMV.
It is the next one to be released, but I was not told about the release date. TRUE
The codex is not Ultramarines heavy. There will be a much broader spectrum of Chapters. TRUE
There will be supplements for the more famous chapters: Ultramarines, Imperial Fists and White Scars were the ones mentioned. White Scars are the first out the gate. FALSE
The cover of the new dex has apparently got Sicarius on the front, while the White Scar Codex has a bike squadron racing towards the enemy. FALSE
No clue on authors. Rumour is Ward, but hell, he's rumoured for all of them right? SPECULATION
No rules that I can give you, but you can expect to see loads of new weapons and squads. Possible inclusions are the Land Raider Terminus (I think that's what it's called - it's festooned with Lascannons), a bigger form of Terminator and a rather large Dreadnought that is similar to a Contemptor - only bigger. TRUE
Tau Rumors - March 2013
She said that there was a huge mech that resembled Saturn in a cabinet. TRUE
The Missile Launchers are where the Rail Cannons or Ion Cannons are sat, TRUE where as the arms have some enormous cannons mounted into the forearms, similar to the XV88 from Forge World. TRUE
Roughly the size of Dreadknight. TRUE
There were two loadouts that she saw. Could have been a three up though. TRUE
Woah!!!
I didn't know I was being tracked.
I got nothing against it. I'll give whatever rumours I get and filter them down to you.
If they are wrong, it's no problem of mine , just the sources I have.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I have no links. Most of mine come from word of mouth from someone in company.
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Mr Mystery wrote:Suffice to say, if any of this is actually true, then clearly Elvis is hiding behind my left testicle, and Lord Lucan behind the right.
I got nothing against it. I'll give whatever rumours I get and filter them down to you.
If they are wrong, it's no problem of mine , just the sources I have.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I have no links. Most of mine come from word of mouth from someone in company.
Anyone who posts rumors is tracked.
Oh, so you mean you knew about IG, but didn't post it. That's fine.
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I got nothing against it. I'll give whatever rumours I get and filter them down to you.
If they are wrong, it's no problem of mine , just the sources I have.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I have no links. Most of mine come from word of mouth from someone in company.
Anyone who posts rumors is tracked.
Oh, so you mean you knew about IG, but didn't post it. That's fine.
Yeah, spot on. I knew they were getting a codex release after I saw that new Quad Mortar tank, but I didn't believe they were getting the starter set treatment. That came from the least reliable of my sources.
Mr Mystery wrote:Suffice to say, if any of this is actually true, then clearly Elvis is hiding behind my left testicle, and Lord Lucan behind the right.
ClockworkZion wrote: So now that I posted rumors Pretre will be watching me sleep at night?
Eh, there are worse trade offs I guess.
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ClockworkZion wrote: So now that I posted rumors Pretre will be watching me sleep at night?
Eh, there are worse trade offs I guess.
Yep, welcome to the club.
I never agreed to it, but you're the one who gets to be bored standing outside as I spend several hours painting models facing away from the window so you can't even watch.
I got nothing against it. I'll give whatever rumours I get and filter them down to you.
If they are wrong, it's no problem of mine , just the sources I have.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I have no links. Most of mine come from word of mouth from someone in company.
Anyone who posts rumors is tracked.
Oh, so you mean you knew about IG, but didn't post it. That's fine.
Shouldn't the "Hive Tyrants can take thorax weapons" be a partially true or something? I mean, they can't be fired along with 2 other weapons like the old thorax weapons, but they also don't take an arms slot and are essentially the old thorax weapons.
I was bitching to my GW store manager today about the staticness of the Eldar bikers and he told me to wait for the 24th...
Anyone else anything about New Eldar models?
All the salt but not impossible.
It's about as close to impossible as it gets.
Heavily rumoured 7th Ed, supported by IG illustrated poster somehow translates into often rumoured, long completed (apparently) never released new Eldar Jetbikes?
I'm guessing the staff have been told "wait for the 24th" to essentially everything!
I'd say it's less impossible than Sideboards.
IG vs Eldar popped up as a rumor before the poster did from what I saw at least.
The IG v Eldar starter set actually will only have Eldar, since they defeated the IG in the time it took you to open the box.
"Bringer of death, speak your name, For you are my life, and the foe's death." - Litany of the Lasgun
I just got an email from a friend of mine who has been a good source for me in the past. He loves dropping hints about stuff that is coming up and he asked me if I still had my collection of RT scenarios. I have no idea what he meant by this but it is soooooo out of left field that I thought i would share it here.
By the way if the % thing is real I don't see it as being more complicated or bad for play. when I started playing it was standard so all in all I think it's a good way to keep the allies under control.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Nothing significant in the new White dwarf, just the two page poster we've already seen, the back says 24 May 2014. I didn't buy it because it's just Wood elves, never trust an Elf...
I hope they have pre-orders up in a couple of weeks so WHEN the rules sell out I'll at least get a copy of the good or the bad... I'll sacrifice my cash and start reading it it as soon as I get it, first thing is army developement, then assault for me.
So anyone have plans if it sucks? Will it be the last straw?
If it's good will there be much rejoicing, will there be a 40K geek wide exclamation "FINALLY!"?
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of the women.
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