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 warboss wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Oh for crying out loud... how dense are we??!!

Unbound = apocalypse / forge narrative etc

Battle Forged = tourney / club play friendly

If they execute it well, this is exactly what people keep asking for, its not eliminating organization/anything goes... its two game-play modes. RPG vs RTS. Great idea, in fact (which, of course, makes it very likely for this rumor to be untrue).

Except that the battle forged blurb above says it includes the dataslates and the detachments that make the lists relatively tourney/club unfriendly. YMMV and we of course don't have concrete info but screwing that up wouldn't be out of character given the last 2 years.

Not that I find it any more credible, but there was a rumor floating around about a "mode" where you were limited on how many codices and dataslates etc you could draw from... maybe this was a glimpse at Battle Forged?

I'd think 2 codices and 1 dataslate would be a nice limit... but who knows... I really would like to see just "Allies of Convience" or can't ally. So much simpler, makes more sense.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
EDIT: with those cards, i hope 1 deck per game, not 1 per player.....

One per phase per turn.

You know what made dreadfleet bad? Random effect cards. Did they learn nothing?

I think these are random bonus VP of things which is less bad.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 pretre wrote:
From Natfka:

--_--

There is also a physic phase confirmed now. A pool of warp charge dice is created at the start of the psychic phase, equal to 1d6 + mastery lvl of psychers. You can use as many dice as you like, but increase risk of perils of the warp (which is now a table you roll on.) Enemy psychers can draw on warp charge pool to Deny the Witch and nulify powers.

Wonder what happens if you got no psyker.

I would think you would just get the base 1d6.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
EDIT: with those cards, i hope 1 deck per game, not 1 per player.....

One per phase per turn.

You know what made dreadfleet bad? Random effect cards. Did they learn nothing?

I think these are random bonus VP of things which is less bad.

I'm gonna stay optimistic on possibilities here. Turn 1: random objective, slay a character... Turn 2: destroy a vehicle... Turn 3, hold objective at the end of this turn... Turn 4, get a troop into enemy deployment zone,,, etc,

36 cards doesn't mean 36 different things, it could just mean two players drawing from one shuffled deck. Who knows, it might also be stuff like "choose a unit that destroyed a scoring unit this turn... it gains relentless until the end of next turn".... if we gain this randomness and lose the warlord, powers, randomness, I'd be thrilled.

 Lobukia wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
EDIT: with those cards, i hope 1 deck per game, not 1 per player.....

One per phase per turn.

You know what made dreadfleet bad? Random effect cards. Did they learn nothing?

I think these are random bonus VP of things which is less bad.

I'm gonna stay optimistic on possibilities here. Turn 1: random objective, slay a character... Turn 2: destroy a vehicle... Turn 3, hold objective at the end of this turn... Turn 4, get a troop into enemy deployment zone,,, etc,

36 cards doesn't mean 36 different things, it could just mean two players drawing from one shuffled deck. Who knows, it might also be stuff like "choose a unit that destroyed a scoring unit this turn... it gains relentless until the end of next turn".... if we gain this randomness and lose the warlord, powers, randomness, I'd be thrilled.

I don't see us losing warlord powers though, as the new IG still had a warlord table. Now, maybe there might not be a BRB warlord table and each army just uses thier own.

 Lobukia wrote:
Oh for crying out loud... how dense are we??!!

Unbound = apocalypse / forge narrative etc

Battle Forged = tourney / club play friendly

If they execute it well, this is exactly what people keep asking for, its not eliminating organization/anything goes... its two game-play modes. RPG vs RTS. Great idea, in fact (which, of course, makes it very likely for this rumor to be untrue).

I agree that would be cool, but the specific mention that armies that follow the FOC get "bonuses" means that GW was anticipating people playing an RTS army against an RPG army, as you put it. I personally am of the mindset that more freedom is always good, but I can see some people that I regularly play with absolutely hating this.

Of course it's all speculation.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
don't see us losing warlord powers though, as the new IG still had a warlord table. Now, maybe there might not be a BRB warlord table and each army just uses thier own.

well that'll suck for wolves, crons, GKs, sisters, DE and the like for the next 2 years now, wouldnt it?

White Dwarf pictures: http://imgur.com/a/Kbyu1#0

 Colpicklejar wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Oh for crying out loud... how dense are we??!!

Unbound = apocalypse / forge narrative etc

Battle Forged = tourney / club play friendly

If they execute it well, this is exactly what people keep asking for, its not eliminating organization/anything goes... its two game-play modes. RPG vs RTS. Great idea, in fact (which, of course, makes it very likely for this rumor to be untrue).

I agree that would be cool, but the specific mention that armies that follow the FOC get "bonuses" means that GW was anticipating people playing an RTS army against an RPG army, as you put it. I personally am of the mindset that more freedom is always good, but I can see some people that I regularly play with absolutely hating this.

Of course it's all speculation.

Yeah, this would be the only sticking point, should it actually be correct.

I envision seeing an RTS army going up against some absurd cheese RPG army where, even if the RTS gets enough bonuses to win the game, gets mopped across the floor by the RPG force. Sure, the better strategist "wins," but that doesn't mean the game they played was actually any fun.

Still, we will obviously see in the future what's in store (I feel like I need to add a number of disclaimers to keep people from jumping down my throat about "freaking out")

ziggurattt wrote:
White Dwarf pictures: http://imgur.com/a/Kbyu1#0

well its official then :/ ...also, poring.




and when I hear stuff like "throw the force organization chart out the window" I clearly cringe

ziggurattt wrote:
White Dwarf pictures: http://imgur.com/a/Kbyu1#0

Well.

That's kind of awesome.

So the way that sounds you get to make the bound vs unbound decision at list creation? So it's not two divergent game modes.

And I had hopes for the game.... I really wished it to be awesome.

This? This is just stupid. I don't want this to happen in a game THAT UNBALANCED as WH40k.

Even Warmachine has certain limitations ...

And wow! Those examples!

All Leman Russ!
All Riptides/Broadsides
All Defiler and stuff

WHAT FANTASTIC NARRATIVE YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH

And read carefully. No word at all about fixing problems, updating stuff, making things easier.. no
"which is packed with nre rules additions"

wow.

ziggurattt wrote:
White Dwarf pictures: http://imgur.com/a/Kbyu1#0

Holy Shhh. Damn the rumour is true, or this is a good photo shop. So field what ever you want eh?

Hmmm.... just field all data slates then? So if I wanted I could just use Tyranid data slates? Guess more details will follow.

Reading this, it sounds really like the death of the FOC.

Being pitted against any number of insane deathstar-laden armies, even with all the bonuses under the sun, I don't know how enjoyable the experience will be for any FOC-based army.

I like the sounds of the Tactical objectives and the Psychic phase. (though everyone having access to Daemon summoning sounds crazy)

Damn you federal government and your blocking of imgur!

 Accolade wrote:
Reading this, it sounds really like the death of the FOC.

Being pitted against any number of insane deathstar-laden armies, even with all the bonuses under the sun, I don't know how enjoyable the experience will be for any FOC-based army.

There is an easy solution to this. You don't play that person. Simple as that. How many games well they get if everyone keeps declining to play them?

It's simple. There will be unbound events and Battle Forged events. Don't panic.

I honestly didn't think GW could do anything that would put me off 40K, now I'm not so sure.

The shark has been well and truly jumped.

I'm extremely excited. It seems to me that unbound games will basically be the norm for house-rules, but with structure. Two beer and pretzel gamers want a fun weird game -- go unbounded. However formalized tournaments etc. will always follow the battle-forged rules.

As someone who loves this game deeply but not in a competitive tournament way it looks like it should (maybe) keep everyone happy, while adding more random elements to spice up games.

The idea of the Maelstrom of War mission really appeals to me.

Davor wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Reading this, it sounds really like the death of the FOC.

Being pitted against any number of insane deathstar-laden armies, even with all the bonuses under the sun, I don't know how enjoyable the experience will be for any FOC-based army.

There is an easy solution to this. You don't play that person. Simple as that. How many games well they get if everyone keeps declining to play them?

But it's the rules!

Ok. I was wrong. I hope there is a clear choice between 2 game types, all FoC, and using the "throw away the FoC". If so, and they do it in a way that gets people to use them both l think it will be a lot of fun. It gives more clear definition between comparative play and forge a narrative play.

Just what 40k needed, more randomness

So basically, you may get the goal "Cast a psychic power!" and when you got no psyker, you're gutted?

I'm still not convinced this is 100% genuine, though it does seem to be.
I'll wait and see how the rest of it comes out.
Battle Forged games for actual gaming, Unbound games for just silly fun.

RoninXiC wrote:

Davor wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
Reading this, it sounds really like the death of the FOC.

Being pitted against any number of insane deathstar-laden armies, even with all the bonuses under the sun, I don't know how enjoyable the experience will be for any FOC-based army.

There is an easy solution to this. You don't play that person. Simple as that. How many games well they get if everyone keeps declining to play them?

But it's the rules!

But we have no idea how those rules work yet! It may very well be what others have said - you choose to play either Battle Forged or Unbound before you play. Take your army to the club/store in whatever form you wish. With as gamers as diverse as 40K I'm sure there won't be any shortage of people who are there wanting to play Battle Forged or Unbound specifically.

I hope it was just an omission; the psychic phase part said nothing about armies that have zero psychers (Tau). I guess we just sit there and get beat on since we won't have any dice in our pool. Not panicking, I'm just going to assume it's an omission in a short article about that phase.

And tyranids get the shaft on psychic powers again. Two new power lists available to everyone, but Tyranids.

The next edition may end up interesting.

Though should be easier to run a Dearhwatch army now.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Just what 40k needed, more randomness

So basically, you may get the goal "Cast a psychic power!" and when you got no psyker, you're gutted?

It said you could discard one objective card per turn. If you get that one and you have no Psyker then discard that card. Simple as that!