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 unmercifulconker wrote:

Vintersorg wrote:
Force organization chart thrown out of the window.
The last and more blatantly attempt to sell more big crappy miniatures (as even suggested in the the article itself!!!! O.O)

Goodbye Warhammer 40.000, it's been nice knowing you....

It was that statement about the big minis which really got to me too.

feth greed, I wouldnt piss on it if it was on fire, it can burn in the seven hells. Why does greed have to ruin everything?

Because the wheels of capitalism are greased by greed.

The sky.
It is falling.

Interesting changes. I'm not seeing anything too alarming, myself, and will wait until it comes out to see exactly how this goes. Unbound lists certaily have the potential for some creative lists. I'm seeing some pretty fun ideas over on /tg/.

What I'm interested to see is that new allies table. I don't expect anything radically different, and they might just be referring to incorporating all of the extra codexes, but it'll be interesting to see if they've re-jigged the relationships a bit.

 Squidbot wrote:
The sky.
It is falling.

Odd, it just stopped raining here.

Emperor save us.

Somewhere earlier in this thread someone mentioned the possibility that battle-forged armies may be able to take an additional 25% of points facing an unbound army.

I realize it's a rumor of a rumor, but wouldn't that be something. Imagine a game with 2,500 points versus 2000 with no FOC restrictions. With fortifications, that could get very interesting very quickly.

 Pacific wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

Davor wrote:
Has anyone thought of the hurt feelings GW is having right now? 2 leaked pics imagine how distressed they are right now.

I wonder if someone popped a testicle a few minutes ago. It's what, almost 10pm over there right now?

I've already asked for my money back on the recalled 6th ed book.

I don't think it's actually 2 years since the last book is it? Wasn't that June/July release?

Has anyone got any info on what is the driving force for the next edition to be released so soon?

July 2012 was the release of 6th, if it comes out may 31st or June 7th, it will be less then 2 years, which should have people incredibly angry, but as per the norm, they apologize for GWs behaviour and wait for the next set of black eyes.

 Troike wrote:
I'm seeing some pretty fun ideas over on /tg/.

I'm seeing the same, as well as a LOT of crying. There are more drama queens there than at a Drag Queen contest!

For every fluffy unbound list, there will be a guy who's army is comprised of buffmanders, riptides, farseers and wave serpents.

...and on top of buying a new rulebook after only two years, Ork players with have to download a giant FAQ to update their New Ork Codex. Which is getting released after the new rulebook

Unbound: THUNDERWOLF ARMIES YAY!!!!

 welshhoppo wrote:
For every fluffy unbound list, there will be a guy who's army is comprised of buffmanders, riptides, farseers and wave serpents.

Yeah, but now you can shutdown the Farseers!

Surely it's more expensive to field a more diverse army than it is to fill it up with a few large kits?

I think the claims of "greed" on the part of GW are stretching things slightly for that particular point.

I'm sorry, did this donkey-cave just use positive adjectives to describe an army with 4 riptides? (top left)

I don't know how I feel about this, but on first glace it leaves a sour taste in my mouth, unbound sounds fun strictly for narrative based games, but Ive grown fond of the FoC at least then you don't have to worry about 11 riptides or other BS someone can throw at you.

Guess we will just have to see and wait what GW is going to push out of this and if its this bad all the way through I'll just have to play fantasy exclusively. Just gotta wait for a review to see how it really turns out.

GW doesn't seem to care about the players that have been in this for a while, catering to the newbies who kinda just want to grab everything off the shelf and play it, or those people who just want to take all the power things to get their jollies watching your opponent losing everything turn on. none the less if i go to a store and see 6 Wraithknights or riptides im not going to be battling them.

This whole Force Org vs. Unbound thing leaves me underwhelmed. I think I'll wait for the new starter set.

Like when 6th came out tournament organizers will figure out what they want to keep and what they dont to tun a successful event. I'm excited for the new possibilities personally.

 welshhoppo wrote:
For every fluffy unbound list, there will be a guy who's army is comprised of buffmanders, riptides, farseers and wave serpents.

So true. I hope this is just hog wash.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Surely it's more expensive to field a more diverse army than it is to fill it up with a few large kits?

I think the claims of "greed" on the part of GW is stretching things slightly for that particular point.

I don't think profit is a bad thing, but if it comes alongside poor game design, then I think that's crazy.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:


If true, this will make it tough to spam too much and win on VP's. One question though, how many VPs does the battle forged player get when his army is tabled by 10 Heldrakes?

Tabling no longer decides who wins or loses...hurts the forging of the narrative too much. VPs all the way.

If Heldrakes are FMC ( I don't know what they are exactly, as I don't have the Codex) then the tabled player still wins unless the Heldrake player can earn 36 VPs. ((+2x9 Flyers)+(+2x9 Monstrous Creatures?)+(+1x9 duplicates)) = 45.

If they are not MCs then the Heldrake player will needs to account for more than 27 VPs.

Vintersorg wrote:
Force organization chart thrown out of the window.
The last and more blatantly attempt to sell more big crappy miniatures (as even suggested in the the article itself!!!! O.O)

Goodbye Warhammer 40.000, it's been nice knowing you....

Except they're not.

Honestly after thinking about it for a while, I would love to see a tournament using unbound lists. One can only imagine what people would bring, it could invalidate all current competitive armies. What good is a Deathstar if your opponent brings a couple of titans? What good are titans if someone brings an all drop pod melta vets list? What good are all drop pod meltas list when your opponent brings nothing but fliers? Perhaps through this chaos we will find a perfectly balanced game, where everything is overpowered and broken with no one thing standing above the rest.

 Crablezworth wrote:
I'm sorry, did this donkey-cave just use positive adjectives to describe an army with 4 riptides? (top left)

Spoiler:

with lots of broadsides!

Cause you know, you want to play against that more then once.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Vintersorg wrote:
Force organization chart thrown out of the window.
The last and more blatantly attempt to sell more big crappy miniatures (as even suggested in the the article itself!!!! O.O)

Goodbye Warhammer 40.000, it's been nice knowing you....

If you're quitting over rumors....Can I have your stuff?

It's not rumors, It's stated in the WD article.
And besides I haven't being playing 40k since a couple of years (partially to being in Sweden at University).

But now I have just more reasons to concentrate on much more enjoyable realistic historical 6mm wargames.
It's just a shame that the wonderful 40k setting is being ruined by such crappy rulesets....

I am 'strongly concerned' by what I've just read. I will, however, wait for the book before I either happily sigh in relief at a fuller explanation or detonate with the rage of a thousand suns.

yep, definitely 'strongly concerned' at this stage.

The sky is falling . The world is burning . I will enjoy playing a few terribly unbalanced games against abusive unbound lists with my fluffy Sisters, in between my Warmachine games, just to remember the good old times when I was playing a game in which my army could never make it in the good half of a tourney ranking .

 Sigvatr wrote:
Looking forward to any sort of compensation then for armies that can't take "wizards". The Dwarf method would be acceptable.

Either Adamantium Will is changed to something useful, like “add one dispel dice”, in which case Sisters are going to be the big psychic shutdown army and Tau will get screwed, or it will stay the same, and both Tau and Sisters will be screwed . My money is on the latter. I mean, last time they gave Sisters something efficient against psykers, they errataed it within a week or something .

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Yay, I can field an entire army of Dominions!

Because seriously, I have no idea what "battleforge bonusses" could possible be better than ignores cover on everything with massed special weapons and Scout.

Let us not even mention not wasting point on stupid useless T3 HQ . Except a list of all the same stuff is boring to watch, and boring to play, but who cares anymore in 40k ?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Sisters confirmed for the scariest Alpha Strike army of all Meltas then?

Sisters ? Scary ?
.
That is a good one, really. Let us see how that scary alpha-strike army does against half a dozen of helldrake ?
Do not forget that the opponent too get to mass the most powerful stuff in his/her codex.

 Sir Arun wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
don't see us losing warlord powers though, as the new IG still had a warlord table. Now, maybe there might not be a BRB warlord table and each army just uses thier own.

well that'll suck for wolves, crons, GKs, sisters, DE and the like for the next 2 years now, wouldnt it?

Sisters have their own warlord table! With cool stuff that totally do not suck… not. I can not even tell you what they do, because I always play Celestine (no way to get a canoness with jump pack…), her assigned trait sucks ball (give her leadership for Faith test. Useless), and I just noticed I have not installed the software I need to rule ebook on my new computer. Which is quite telling. But I remember most, if not all of them sucks. Like “Hey, your SoF 6++ is now a 5++. Oh, you bought some wargear to get a 4++ ? Nevermind, then” .

The silliest thing that my army, the Sisters, could do with "unbound" is probably an all-Repentia and Penitent Engine army. Actually, no, just Repentia. A table full of eviscerator-wielding crazed zealots.

quote=Anpu42 592379 6797917 e3493d3ef9090c105aa484a902e4d750.jpg]Unbound: THUNDERWOLF ARMIES YAY!!!!

Sounds like the old pickup games we had at the comic shop when I first started playing. "Oh you have a Devastator squad and a Lieutenant? I have the entire Harlequins boxed set."

It wasn't pretty, but we got good at figuring out each others' weaknesses.

I see it this way. An unbound list game is more about mates planning a game before hand so you can make sure you dont get Tims Grot army vs Bills Leman Russ task force.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

jamesk1973 wrote:
Battle-forged - you obey all FOC rules and stick to one Codex.

If you bring a battle-forged list and play against an unbound list you immediately receive the following VP bonuses.

You receive Victory Points determined by what your OPPONENT brings.

For every Codex/Dataslate/Formation after the first one that your opponent brings, you receive two VPs.

For every duplicate of a unit your opponent brings (other than troops and their transports) you receive one VP.

For every superheavy your opponent brings you receive five VPs.

For every flyer (including FMC) after the first one your opponent brings, you receive two VPs.

For every MC your opponent brings after the first one, you receive two VPs.

For every D strength weapon your opponent brings, you receive three VPs.

For every 2++ rerollable your opponent rolls during the game you immediately receive seven VPs.

Victory Point conditions stack and are cumulative. Ergo, the second FMC in your opponents list will yield you five VPs (+2 flyer, +2 MC, +1 duplicate unit).

In all instances in which a dispute arises the maximum number of VPs must be conveyed to the battle-forged list player.

If true, this will make it tough to spam too much and win on VP's. One question though, how many VPs does the battle forged player get when his army is tabled by 10 Heldrakes?

This.

Man, I watched my forced get manhandled, BADLY. I didn't even get to shoot in Turn 2. But hey, I still won!