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If the Psyker Phase ends up being true, and perils increase, and enemy pykers can nullify your powers, then I think they just wrote Psykers right out of the game.

Would the points for a Psyker ever be worth it?

Davor wrote:
Has anyone thought of the hurt feelings GW is having right now? 2 leaked pics imagine how distressed they are right now.

I wonder if someone popped a testicle a few minutes ago. It's what, almost 10pm over there right now?

I've already asked for my money back on the recalled 6th ed book. Because that's what this is, less then 2 years and we get a new edition with them asking for $120? Nope. feth that. Guaranteed its a copy paste job.

 jasper76 wrote:
If the Psyker Phase ends up being true, and perils increase, and enemy pykers can nullify your powers, then I think they just wrote Psykers right out of the game.

Would the points for a Psyker ever be worth it?

Apparently in Fantasy it's all about level 4 wizards. The psychic phase will probably be super importante.

Wait I just realised my error, what is the cheapest unit with a ranged strength D weapon. No FOC means I can take as many lords of war as I want right?
Find a cheap ranged strength D weapon unit - spam as many in a list as I can - auto win on turn one.
UNBOUND............

Hold on this game comes with objective cards? Triumph and Treachery is already more expensive than the regular rule book, imagine what it will be like with a full BRB attached to it.

Thanks for the news, guys. Well... I certainly won't be playing 40k "Unbound", though! Things are already wide-open as it is.

Objective cards sound cool, though, I've always liked that idea.

slaede wrote:

 Pox Apostle wrote:
My thought is: I wonder if the idea of side boards and percentages could have something to do with the "bonuses" you get for being Battle Forged? Maybe these rumors are all a jumble. What if it goes something like this -- If you pick a Battle Forged army you can take a given number of sideboards of 25% your points total so you can list tailor when playing against an Unbound army as your bonus? It helps balance the Unbound thing a bit as you could bring and choose anti-flyer sideboard if someone is playing an all Helturkey list, etc. If you use the rumors for side boards as 25% of your list as the Battle Forged bonus, and you look at the toss the FoC out the window of Unbound, you can kind of see where all these rumors came from if everyone just had bits and pieces of the rules. Obviously, I could be way off, but it's interesting speculation.

The percentage rumors were BS like everything the rumor sites get more than two weeks from release these days.

I know the percentage rumors as the new way of organizing a force was BS, but we have no idea what the "bonuses" for bringing a Battle Forged army are yet. I was simply saying that those bonuses could be a sideboard of 25% your total to list tailor for balance when playing against Unbound armies. If true it would explain where the misinformed rumor of "FoC is gone!! OMG Percentages for all!" came from.

Assume the foc functions identically to how it does currently.

It's useless now, so what's the point of unbound, if you play 100% of what GW puts out, you're already pretty fething unbound.

 Pox Apostle wrote:

slaede wrote:

 Pox Apostle wrote:
My thought is: I wonder if the idea of side boards and percentages could have something to do with the "bonuses" you get for being Battle Forged? Maybe these rumors are all a jumble. What if it goes something like this -- If you pick a Battle Forged army you can take a given number of sideboards of 25% your points total so you can list tailor when playing against an Unbound army as your bonus? It helps balance the Unbound thing a bit as you could bring and choose anti-flyer sideboard if someone is playing an all Helturkey list, etc. If you use the rumors for side boards as 25% of your list as the Battle Forged bonus, and you look at the toss the FoC out the window of Unbound, you can kind of see where all these rumors came from if everyone just had bits and pieces of the rules. Obviously, I could be way off, but it's interesting speculation.

The percentage rumors were BS like everything the rumor sites get more than two weeks from release these days.

I know the percentage rumors as the new way of organizing a force was BS, but we have no idea what the "bonuses" for bringing a Battle Forged army are yet. I was simply saying that those bonuses could be a sideboard of 25% your total to list tailor for balance when playing against Unbound armies. If true it would explain where the misinformed rumor of "FoC is gone!! OMG Percentages for all!" came from.

Hmmm, I'm not sure how effective an additional 25% bonus will be for a FOC army when facing a Draketide army (calling it now! ). If that's the only bonus the FOC players get then it sounds like FOC players will be required to bring more models so the Unbound player can curbstomp even more enemies.

Of course there could still be some other bonuses but GW's track record on balancing things is...well, you know.

 jasper76 wrote:
If the Psyker Phase ends up being true, and perils increase, and enemy pykers can nullify your powers, then I think they just wrote Psykers right out of the game.

Would the points for a Psyker ever be worth it?

Better than "I cast x,y,z on my unit of death, and there isnt anything you can do about it"

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
Every part of me hopes this is fake, because this just sounds like GW have given up on game design and said F*** it, just do whatever you want as long as you buy more models.

Pick up games are officially dead. If you turn up with white chess pieces and your opponents have monopoly money and cludeo clues nobody's having any fun.

I'm trying to think of the most broken list now possible. How many Deathstrike missile launchers could you fit in a 1500 point list, 9?
Pyshic powers may now be OP, how about 15 runepriests for my space wolves.

Because clearly every game will be Unbound lists. As will tournaments

Clearly everything will be Unbound lists. Soon Unbound lists will be taking our jobs and our promotions too!


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 jasper76 wrote:
If the Psyker Phase ends up being true, and perils increase, and enemy pykers can nullify your powers, then I think they just wrote Psykers right out of the game.

Would the points for a Psyker ever be worth it?

Are Wizards worth it in Fantasy?

If they buffed all the powers then to go with the new system: then yes. Otherwise they're still good for shutting down powers.

Well, there goes my thoughts that it was not a whole new edition.

Kinda annoyed now, but meh we will see what it brings.

Sigh...not looking forward to the amount of bitching I am going to be hearing until the new edition drops and a lot of people get the complete story and actually like it more than 6th.

I wonder if tyranids could have something like "shadow of the hive"
negates all psychic powers, now that would shake things up.

 Leth wrote:
Sigh...not looking forward to the amount of bitching I am going to be hearing until the new edition drops and a lot of people get the complete story and actually like it more than 6th.

Who needs to wait for the bitching to start? It's already begun!

 Leth wrote:
Well, there goes my thoughts that it was not a whole new edition.

Kinda annoyed now, but meh we will see what it brings.

Sigh...not looking forward to the amount of bitching I am going to be hearing until the new edition drops and a lot of people get the complete story and actually like it more than 6th.

I honestly don't know how anyone can freak out over what little we've heard. But obviously certain narratives must be forged...

 gorgon wrote:

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:
Fluff players REJOICE!

Indeed. Because nothing will make fluff-oriented gamers happier than Eldar Farseers being able to summon Daemonettes to the table...

Rumors have said that the ally table still applies.

edit: Oh, you're talking Daemonology.

Nevermind, you got it.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there will be restrictions on who can use the Demonology disciplines, just like with every other psychic discipline.

in the page there's a subdivision in Daemonology. I believe the Sanct one will be for Imperials and Eldar, while the one with an evil name will be for Chaos. I don't believe Sanct sub-school will let us summon a daemon, but some kind of angel

Battle-forged - you obey all FOC rules and stick to one Codex.

If you bring a battle-forged list and play against an unbound list you immediately receive the following VP bonuses.

You receive Victory Points determined by what your OPPONENT brings.

For every Codex/Dataslate/Formation after the first one that your opponent brings, you receive two VPs.

For every duplicate of a unit your opponent brings (other than troops and their transports) you receive one VP.

For every superheavy your opponent brings you receive five VPs.

For every flyer (including FMC) after the first one your opponent brings, you receive two VPs.

For every MC your opponent brings after the first one, you receive two VPs.

For every D strength weapon your opponent brings, you receive three VPs.

For every 2++ rerollable your opponent rolls during the game you immediately receive seven VPs.

Victory Point conditions stack and are cumulative. Ergo, the second FMC in your opponent's list will yield you five VPs (+2 flyer, +2 MC, +1 duplicate unit).

In all instances in which a dispute arises the maximum number of VPs must be conveyed to the battle-forged list player.

 Leth wrote:
Well, there goes my thoughts that it was not a whole new edition.

Kinda annoyed now, but meh we will see what it brings.

Sigh...not looking forward to the amount of bitching I am going to be hearing until the new edition drops and a lot of people get the complete story and actually like it more than 6th.

This basicaly sums it up for my group!

 Tamereth wrote:
Wait I just realised my error, what is the cheapest unit with a ranged strength D weapon. No FOC means I can take as many lords of war as I want right?
Find a cheap ranged strength D weapon unit - spam as many in a list as I can - auto win on turn one.
UNBOUND............

In my head I heard the UNBOUND spoken like "JAZZ HANDS" WITH A FREEZE POSE! lol....

jamesk1973 wrote:
Battle-forged - you obey all FOC rules and stick to one Codex.

If you bring a battle-forged list and play against an unbound list you immediately receive the following VP bonuses.

You receive Victory Points determined by what your OPPONENT brings.

For every Codex/Dataslate/Formation after the first one that your opponent brings, you receive two VPs.

For every duplicate of a unit your opponent brings (other than troops and their transports) you receive one VP.

For every superheavy your opponent brings you receive five VPs.

For every flyer (including FMC) after the first one your opponent brings, you receive two VPs.

For every MC your opponent brings after the first one, you receive two VPs.

For every D strength weapon your opponent brings, you receive three VPs.

For every 2++ rerollable your rolls during the game you immediately receive seven VPs.

Victory Point conditions stack and are cumulative. Ergo, the second FMC in your opponents list will yield you five VPs (+2 flyer, +2 MC, +1 duplicate unit).

In all instances in which a dispute arises the maximum number of VPs must be conveyed to the battle-forged list player.

More like....

Battle-Forged - You play a 6th Edition army (including FoC, allies, digi-dexes, all supplements, etc..)
Unbound - Feth it.

 Leth wrote:
Sigh...not looking forward to the amount of bitching I am going to be hearing until the new edition drops and a lot of people get the complete story and actually like it more than 6th.

Ah, cummon! buck up! It is a new day! Just look at it that we are trying hard to complain about everything except what REALLY bothers us:
We got a massive book to read and then figure out ALL over again how to min/max our armies to cave face.
This time the combinations will be enormous!
I like your confidence on it being better, this is a good start to a positive attitude (or that phrase "Hope, leads to disappointment").

 gorgon wrote:


I honestly don't know how anyone can freak out over what little we've heard. But obviously certain narratives must be forged...

It's called 'learning from experience' - GW's been really good in making weird rule/fluff/product decisions lately

 Ravenous D wrote:

Davor wrote:
Has anyone thought of the hurt feelings GW is having right now? 2 leaked pics imagine how distressed they are right now.

I wonder if someone popped a testicle a few minutes ago. It's what, almost 10pm over there right now?

I've already asked for my money back on the recalled 6th ed book.

I don't think it's actually 2 years since the last book is it? Wasn't that June/July release?

Has anyone got any info on what is the driving force for the next edition to be released so soon?

Force organization chart thrown out of the window.
The last and more blatantly attempt to sell more big crappy miniatures (as even suggested in the the article itself!!!! O.O)

Goodbye Warhammer 40.000, it's been nice knowing you....

jamesk1973 wrote:
Battle-forged - you obey all FOC rules and stick to one Codex.

If you bring a battle-forged list and play against an unbound list you immediately receive the following VP bonuses.

You receive Victory Points determined by what your OPPONENT brings.

For every Codex/Dataslate/Formation after the first one that your opponent brings, you receive two VPs.

For every duplicate of a unit your opponent brings (other than troops and their transports) you receive one VP.

For every superheavy your opponent brings you receive five VPs.

For every flyer (including FMC) after the first one your opponent brings, you receive two VPs.

For every MC your opponent brings after the first one, you receive two VPs.

For every D strength weapon your opponent brings, you receive three VPs.

For every 2++ rerollable your opponent rolls during the game you immediately receive seven VPs.

Victory Point conditions stack and are cumulative. Ergo, the second FMC in your opponents list will yield you five VPs (+2 flyer, +2 MC, +1 duplicate unit).

In all instances in which a dispute arises the maximum number of VPs must be conveyed to the battle-forged list player.

If true, this will make it tough to spam too much and win on VP's. One question though, how many VPs does the battle forged player get when his army is tabled by 10 Heldrakes?

Wait, wait, wait... So I could build an entire army around Daemon Engines and not have to worry about squishy little man things?

I want this.

Vintersorg wrote:
Force organization chart thrown out of the window.
The last and more blatantly attempt to sell more big crappy miniatures (as even suggested in the the article itself!!!! O.O)

Goodbye Warhammer 40.000, it's been nice knowing you....

Except its not.

Vintersorg wrote:
Force organization chart thrown out of the window.
The last and more blatantly attempt to sell more big crappy miniatures (as even suggested in the the article itself!!!! O.O)

Goodbye Warhammer 40.000, it's been nice knowing you....

If you're quitting over rumors....Can I have your stuff?

Vintersorg wrote:
Force organization chart thrown out of the window.
The last and more blatantly attempt to sell more big crappy miniatures (as even suggested in the the article itself!!!! O.O)

Goodbye Warhammer 40.000, it's been nice knowing you....

It was that statement about the big minis which really got to me too.

feth greed, I wouldnt piss on it if it was on fire, it can burn in the seven hells. Why does greed have to ruin everything?

 Pacific wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

Davor wrote:
Has anyone thought of the hurt feelings GW is having right now? 2 leaked pics imagine how distressed they are right now.

I wonder if someone popped a testicle a few minutes ago. It's what, almost 10pm over there right now?

I've already asked for my money back on the recalled 6th ed book.

I don't think it's actually 2 years since the last book is it? Wasn't that June/July release?

Has anyone got any info on what is the driving force for the next edition to be released so soon?

MONEY