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Take 2 rumors and combine them...

Unbound = Current FOC
Bound = FOC with Percentages

The demons are just chilling in the warp waiting to be summoned. They get summoned by the GK posse "oh feth!", then they are ripped to shreds by force weapons.

reminds me of the Draigo Warp dust animations on youtube.

x13rads wrote:
Take 2 rumors and combine them...

Unbound = Current FOC
Bound = FOC with Percentages

Umm. The leaked pics already say that you are incorrect.

 pretre wrote:
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The FoC chart is still in the new 40k edition and if you follow it you have what is known as a "Battle Forged" army. It awards (unlisted) bonuses for using the FoC.You can also take a unbound army, these allow you to take whatever you want from your collection and toss out the FoC (while still adhering to unit size and heeding the relationships described in the new Allies Matrix.

"So...thank you...for adding another step to my [gaming] process" - The Homestar Runner.

BeeCee wrote:
The demons are just chilling in the warp waiting to be summoned. They get summoned by the GK posse "oh feth!", then they are ripped to shreds by force weapons.

reminds me of the Draigo Warp dust animations on youtube.

Legends say some demons are killed so quickly they dont think they passed into the real world at all.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 pretre wrote:
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The FoC chart is still in the new 40k edition and if you follow it you have what is known as a "Battle Forged" army. It awards (unlisted) bonuses for using the FoC.You can also take a unbound army, these allow you to take whatever you want from your collection and toss out the FoC (while still adhering to unit size and heeding the relationships described in the new Allies Matrix.

"So...thank you...for adding another step to my [gaming] process" - The Homestar Runner.

Well, when playing with people you don't know, my guess is that it simplifies the pre-game process and actually removes steps.

Instead of:
"So what do you play with? Escalation, SHA, Dataslates, etc?"
it is now:
"Unbound or Battle Forged?"

I wonder if the new Psychic Phase is meant to bring more WHFB players into the folds of 40k.

GW can transport Lizardmen, Dwarfs, and Skaven in; they already have 40k-counterparts!

 pretre wrote:

x13rads wrote:
Take 2 rumors and combine them...

Unbound = Current FOC
Bound = FOC with Percentages

Umm. The leaked pics already say that you are incorrect.

Change it to...

Unbound = Current FOC without being forced to take 1 HQ and 2 Troops then

x13rads wrote:

 pretre wrote:

x13rads wrote:
Take 2 rumors and combine them...

Unbound = Current FOC
Bound = FOC with Percentages

Umm. The leaked pics already say that you are incorrect.

Change it to...

Unbound = Current FOC without being forced to take 1 HQ and 2 Troops then

Umm. The leaked pics already say that you are incorrect. Keep trying though. Or maybe take a look at the leaked pics.

 prowla wrote:
Honestly, I have no idea why they would want to do something as stupid as 'Unbound'. I don't think I have met any player who would be into 'Forging a Narrative <tm>' - I like fluff myself, but if I play a game, I want things to be fairly balanced between players. It's supposed to be a wargame, after all. If you take away things that attempt to make the game balanced, you might as well throw away the whole rulebook, take your figures to the sandbox and play with 7 yo. kids and their army men.

No idea what the management or design team is thinking at GW. You have to choose: either it's a miniature wargame with rules, aimed at nerdy people, or it's a line of kiddie toys ment to 'pew pew' it out. Despite how juvenile we players might be, you can't have both in the same product.

+1


What are we paying them for? Free market 40k was never a good idea, we pay you (gw) to regulate but you fear that there may be some mystical connection between those regulations and what ends up selling well and rather than looking at that, you decide as a company "these regulation things we sell sure get in the way, I mean hell, our baseline retail staff might have to actually know a feth about them, this all seems like much too much."


Keep thinking "battle forged" will save you, then think of the last time gw aksed you to forge something...

x13rads wrote:

 pretre wrote:

x13rads wrote:
Take 2 rumors and combine them...

Unbound = Current FOC
Bound = FOC with Percentages

Umm. The leaked pics already say that you are incorrect.

Change it to...

Unbound = Current FOC without being forced to take 1 HQ and 2 Troops then

No, Unbound = No FOC

All the knee-jerking, this is worse than when WoW patch notes come out lol

We're forced to play Unbound now? Unbound will be tournament standard? Is that what people believe?

 Sir Arun wrote:
That one quote about one of the game designers saying 40k died when it moved to becoming a toy company just interested in selling all their various toys to customers...really hits home right now with Tom Kirby deciding to throw the FoC out.

You know...a concept that wouldnt be taken seriously by anybody if you mentioned it on a forum until WD proved it in print.

That's just about the exact opposite of what Rick Priestly says in this interview

http://hittingon3s.com/2014/05/04/hittingon3s-podcast-episode-45-rp/ (the timestamps interview is OK, the rest is NSFW)

basically 40K 1st and 2nd edition were intended to be smaller fun games, no need for balanced armies (since this is a completely stupid way to fight battles etc)

it was only with 3rd edition when the company made a deliberate choice to make folk buy more stuff (troops at the time) that the obsessive drive for balance really came in


so you could say GW might be going back to their roots (which does not seem to fit as well with Americans style of win at all costs play vs the more narrative style of play common to the early GW team)

 pretre wrote:
Just as with model picture leaks, people should probably not make final decisions until we see the whole thing...

Agreed. Too bad people seem to be doing just that anyways.

 Accolade wrote:
With Unbound coming into the game wouldn't GW be effectively killing off their supplements/dataslates?

It seemed their main purpose was to create variations of existing armies, and obviously they still would for Battle-Forged Armies. But why go out and buy a whole supplement when you can just pull whatever you want from regular codices and to Hell with the restrictions?

Why do you think that the term "supplements" went by the way-side and they gave them the full-on "CODEX" moniker. You don't need to OG codex to buy a different codex. Which you can then play with a larger variety of other codexes as allies.

 pretre wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
I find the idea of a grey knight librarian summoning a daemon just to watch his battle brothers go mental and kill it, to then do it again. Sort of like grinding in an RPG.

Except GKs will not have access to Malefic Daemonology.

I expect Inquisitors will though.

 Accolade wrote:
I wonder if the new Psychic Phase is meant to bring more WHFB players into the folds of 40k.

GW can transport Lizardmen, Dwarfs, and Skaven in; they already have 40k-counterparts!

I'd be all over space Rats.

Whether or not I pick this up will depend entirely on how good the miniatures in the starter are. I started the game with Orks vs. Blood Angels battling for Armageddon, and if the minis are good enough I could see myself going back to them just for painting and modelling and nostalgia.

I'm totally ambivalent about the rules. I figure Unbound might at LEAST get a proper divide between "casuals" and "competitive" players so that the community can FINALLY give up on the constant sniping back and forth.

Not bothered about the Psychic phase, or any of that. I dunno. I'm a natural optimist, so I'm hopeful the game's issues will be fixed, but I don't have a huge amount of faith in the current design team, to be honest.

x13rads wrote:
Take 2 rumors and combine them...

Unbound = Current FOC
Bound = FOC with Percentages

Nope. Current FOC is "Battle-forged" and Unbound sounds like no-FOC. Battle Forged gets some kind of bonuses, Unbound does not.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
That one quote about one of the game designers saying 40k died when it moved to becoming a toy company just interested in selling all their various toys to customers...really hits home right now with Tom Kirby deciding to throw the FoC out.

You know...a concept that wouldnt be taken seriously by anybody if you mentioned it on a forum until WD proved it in print.

That's just about the exact opposite of what Rick Priestly says in this interview

http://hittingon3s.com/2014/05/04/hittingon3s-podcast-episode-45-rp/ (the timestamps interview is OK, the rest is NSFW)

basically 40K 1st and 2nd edition were intended to be smaller fun games, no need for balanced armies (since this is a completely stupid way to fight battles etc)

it was only with 3rd edition when the company made a deliberate choice to make folk buy more stuff (troops at the time) that the obsessive drive for balance really came in


so you could say GW might be going back to their roots (which does not seem to fit as well with Americans style of win at all costs play vs the more narrative style of play common to the early GW team)

I believe he is talking about my sig from an interview Rick did.

So we're all going to pretend the current foc does anything? Yeah the real problem after all was just how suffocated and restrictive having 5 codex's in an army can be at times. This game is dead.

My thought is: I wonder if the idea of side boards and percentages could have something to do with the "bonuses" you get for being Battle Forged? Maybe these rumors are all a jumble. What if it goes something like this -- If you pick a Battle Forged army you can take a given number of sideboards of 25% your points total so you can list tailor when playing against an Unbound army as your bonus? It helps balance the Unbound thing a bit as you could bring and choose anti-flyer sideboard if someone is playing an all Helturkey list, etc. If you use the rumors for side boards as 25% of your list as the Battle Forged bonus, and you look at the toss the FoC out the window of Unbound, you can kind of see where all these rumors came from if everyone just had bits and pieces of the rules. Obviously, I could be way off, but it's interesting speculation.

It's far more likely to be:

If you happen to have slotted into the Force Org chart, you get these bonusses. Otherwise, have fun.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
That one quote about one of the game designers saying 40k died when it moved to becoming a toy company just interested in selling all their various toys to customers...really hits home right now with Tom Kirby deciding to throw the FoC out.

You know...a concept that wouldnt be taken seriously by anybody if you mentioned it on a forum until WD proved it in print.

That's just about the exact opposite of what Rick Priestly says in this interview

http://hittingon3s.com/2014/05/04/hittingon3s-podcast-episode-45-rp/ (the timestamps interview is OK, the rest is NSFW)

basically 40K 1st and 2nd edition were intended to be smaller fun games, no need for balanced armies (since this is a completely stupid way to fight battles etc)

it was only with 3rd edition when the company made a deliberate choice to make folk buy more stuff (troops at the time) that the obsessive drive for balance really came in


so you could say GW might be going back to their roots (which does not seem to fit as well with Americans style of win at all costs play vs the more narrative style of play common to the early GW team)

"Americans style of win at all costs play"?!?

Has anyone thought of the hurt feelings GW is having right now? 2 leaked pics imagine how distressed they are right now.

I wonder if someone popped a testicle a few minutes ago. It's what, almost 10pm over there right now?

 Pox Apostle wrote:
My thought is: I wonder if the idea of side boards and percentages could have something to do with the "bonuses" you get for being Battle Forged? Maybe these rumors are all a jumble. What if it goes something like this -- If you pick a Battle Forged army you can take a given number of sideboards of 25% your points total so you can list tailor when playing against an Unbound army as your bonus? It helps balance the Unbound thing a bit as you could bring and choose anti-flyer sideboard if someone is playing an all Helturkey list, etc. If you use the rumors for side boards as 25% of your list as the Battle Forged bonus, and you look at the toss the FoC out the window of Unbound, you can kind of see where all these rumors came from if everyone just had bits and pieces of the rules. Obviously, I could be way off, but it's interesting speculation.

The percentage rumors were BS like everything the rumor sites get more than two weeks from release these days.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Just as with model picture leaks, people should probably not make final decisions until we see the whole thing...

Agreed. Too bad people seem to be doing just that anyways.

No, we surely must panic and sell or all our minis on ebay, or even burn them and send GW the ashes, that should teach them a lesson for sure. But stay clear of the plastic's smoke.

On topic, i am cautiously optimistic with the new book, at least it will stir the pot.

Yeah apparently only americans play a game as a game. Yeah everywhere else they know 40k isn't a game, it's a table top role playing exercise in capitalism destroying all that is good endeavor, certainly not a game.

Man, GW's ability to make this game even sillier is unbound, if you smell what I'm cooking.

Davor wrote:
Has anyone thought of the hurt feelings GW is having right now? 2 leaked pics imagine how distressed they are right now.

I wonder if someone popped a testicle a few minutes ago. It's what, almost 10pm over there right now?

Im sure all that money will dry their tears.

Man, I love this place but there's also an amazing innate ability to sap the fun out of anything new.