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Fantasy Battle is next. Everyone I know that play FB are already expecting to quit once the new edition comes out. Allies and fortifications and mega monsters and random cinematic events are in, force organisation and traditional armies are out.

 TedNugent wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:


So, just don't play Unbound?

Just like I currently don't play Apocalypse for the same reasons.

Bro, they didn't say that you can just not play it. They said that you can take an Unbound army or a Battleforged (e.g. FOC-bound) army. I don't think this is like Apocalypse.

So one player could take a Battleforced army and the other player could take an Unbound army, the only difference is one side ignores FOC restrictions and the other gets special bonuses.

Well, unless you're attached to some sort of device that will detonate if you refuse a game of 40K, we're all good.

Oh man this is going to be so cool. I'm totally pre-ordering.

 Colpicklejar wrote:


I get that people are annoyed, but to me this hobby is a lot like Dungeons and Dragons- with the wrong people, playing DnD is just about the worst thing you can do with your time. But with the right people, it's completely awesome.

And how many people actually play DnD now vs. Pathfinder?

It doesn't matter what the disadvantages are of a unbound army if you are allowed to just ignore FOC then it just breaks the game because "Sure you get bonuses but I just alpha striked you with my 3 Manticores, 3 Basilisks, 3 Wyverns, and 3 CCS w/ Master of Ordnance.

 the_Armyman wrote:


We've decided to ignore the rather ridiculous idea of a 2 year rules cycle

Hopefully this will be the one time in GWs rules release.....

GW has never ever said how long a rules set will be valid...

however, as rule sets longevity are concerned,

The first was 6 years, then 5, 6, 4, and then 4 years again....average is 5 years really (keep hearing 4, 4, 4, 4, etc...). I'd hope that this next edition would last 5 to 7 years (5 year avg we should expect +2 years we are getting shorted on 6th...). But that is unlikely....

These rules are not like iPhones, or Microsoft Windows, or PS4 or Xbox ONE, that have tech advancement and justification for a new version every few years (hear us GW?)....

I for one, feel conflicted, like a double sided coin. I want to continue to play 40k so I will buy the rules, but feel short changed about 6th...

*sigh*

 Colpicklejar wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
So, noone else is a bit excited to see how will the game evolve thanks to unbound army ? My flgs tend to allow just everything when they organize a tournament, so I think unbound will be okay. I sense a LOT of fun coming!

Yea I really dislike the fact that everyone just thinks this will mean endless streams of players you have never met (and are FORCED to play with) fielding 10 riptides.

I did not make myself clear. I think I will actually face armies of 10 riptides if I continue to play 40k tournament at my FLGS, and I think it will be hilarious to watch!

Points will still be a thing you know, it isn't literally throw everything on the table.

With Allies, Formations and Detachments FOC was already a joke. Still, getting rid of the restrictions altogether was not exactly the kind of fix I was hoping for...

 azreal13 wrote:
Points will still be a thing you know, it isn't literally throw everything on the table.

Oh, so you mean I can expect fair and balanced games ?

 djphranq wrote:
Oh man this is going to be so cool. I'm totally pre-ordering.

Get out of here Matt Ward!


Meanwhile at the GW HQ....

Assistant- Lord Kirby, there seem to be some complaints about 6th edition.
Kirby - Impossible. People are still buying stuff.
Assistant - But lord, people don't like the imbalance obviously over powered units like riptides does for the game.
Kirby - Not sure what a Riptide is, but if its overpowered that means more people will buy it.
Assistant - Lord, They're saying an army with three riptides is too powerful against almost every other army out there.
Kirby - Why only three?
Assistant - It has to to with the force organization chart. You can only take so many of anything.
Kirby - Well, then get rid of that chart! I want to sell more Riptides!!

Thus began 7th edition.

New golden rule for 7th edition gamers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeiM3PpZ01Y

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Points will still be a thing you know, it isn't literally throw everything on the table.

Oh, so you mean I can expect fair and balanced games ?

I just don't see all the panic over Unbound, when the game's fethed already.

If they're trying to move all the bat gak crazy crap into Unbound and trying to make "Battle Forged" something clubs, tourneys and FLGSs can use as a shorthand for "sensible gaming only please" then it could be a good thing.

My confidence that it will happen is a separate issue, but we haven't, at this point, seen anything to exclude that from happening.

I fully expect "Battle Forges" to be the standard and enforced by most tournaments

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I fully expect "Battle Forges" to be the standard and enforced by most tournaments

And if that's exactly the same as the "foc" we have now? You know, this simple to use little guy:

 azreal13 wrote:
Points will still be a thing you know, it isn't literally throw everything on the table.

7th edition is off to a great start There's still point costs! It isn't literally throw everything on the table!

That'll be next edition.

"Throw your favorite action figure on the table and start making whizz-bang noises."

 Colpicklejar wrote:
Yea I really dislike the fact that everyone just thinks this will mean endless streams of players you have never met (and are FORCED to play with) fielding 10 riptides.

Gee, it's almost as if GW wrote an article explicitly supporting people using Riptide and Broadside spam.

 TedNugent wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Points will still be a thing you know, it isn't literally throw everything on the table.

7th edition is off to a great start There's still point costs! It isn't literally throw everything on the table!

That'll be next edition.

"Throw your favorite action figure on the table and start making whizz-bang noises."

Oh snap! Snake-Eyes I choose YOU to be my warlord! Stormshadow, you sit in the corner and watch. I can't wait for 8th edition next year!

GW HQ - If you think 7th ed looks bad, wait till you drive it...

 TedNugent wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Points will still be a thing you know, it isn't literally throw everything on the table.

7th edition is off to a great start There's still point costs! It isn't literally throw everything on the table!

That'll be next edition.

"Throw your favorite action figure on the table and start making whizz-bang noises."

Oh bummer. I can't believe they missed that for 7th edition. The possibilities for wicked cool narratives are endless once points costs are removed. They are such an arbitrary hurdle!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Points will still be a thing you know, it isn't literally throw everything on the table.

Oh, so you mean I can expect fair and balanced games ?

It's not impossible; X-Wing really doesn't have any restrictions on what ships you can take, for example.

However, the designers at FFG were much smarter about balance than GW's thus far, and I doubt the retrofit will end well. That's just GW's bad points costing to-date, not that a FOC is a requirement for balance.

For my part this news fills me with all sorts of "meh" and makes me doubt I'll continue with GW's rulesets. Kind of glad I got lazy and didn't buy the last few codexes now too.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Points will still be a thing you know, it isn't literally throw everything on the table.

7th edition is off to a great start There's still point costs! It isn't literally throw everything on the table!

That'll be next edition.

"Throw your favorite action figure on the table and start making whizz-bang noises."

Oh snap! Snake-Eyes I choose YOU to be my warlord! Stormshadow, you sit in the corner and watch. I can't wait for 8th edition next year!

Next year?

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
... I'll take my unbound army, you take your battle-forged army.....

Yes, that's the problem.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I fully expect "Battle Forges" to be the standard and enforced by most tournaments

Definitely. But why include it as a core feature of a ruleset which is coming after less than two years of the previously released edition. The disconnect between the rules writers and how many people play the game is pretty staggering. When the most oft repeated reaction is "We'll house rule it" somethings off.

I gak you not... I'm gakking in my pants right now... I really am excited for this... Psychic Phase?! Yus!

 insaniak wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
... I'll take my unbound army, you take your battle-forged army.....

Yes, that's the problem.

You're being forced to do this now?

I didnt see that written anywhere in the WD pages...

What bonuses could battle forged armies possibly get to even out the option to not use the foc and thereby spamming what ever the heck you want?
Im gonna guess that battle forged has access to titans while Unbound armies do not.

I'll have to wait and see.

I'm actually kinda excited though.

Holy Crap! Unbound armies are just what GW needed!!! how can we get rich kids to buy more expensive models, I got it! let the little fools use nothing but 130$ wraith knights as an elder army!! this does all make the new knight codex make more sense!

All I can see are Tanks everywhere... Tanks and walkers... it'll be glorious!