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 TheKbob wrote:
Most folks, including non-Sisters players, would want plastic sisters given how GW is doing female models much better these days. I have a full army of SoB. Things like Repentia need redone badly, and we need more than, what... 4 poses for our standard troops?

I think we have 7 poses, not that it matters because you seem to get the grenade chucking Sister and a couple other random ones in nearly every pack.

The metal models, while some of the best sculpts GW put out at that time, are not perfect. The faces are a bit wonky and suffer from a large case of "masculine chine syndrome", parts are honestly hard to paint due to the molds flowing one detail into the next with nearly no transition in places (hair to armoured collar, robes to legs, bolter to chest) and frankly the only REALLYgood models left (in terms of looks, in my horribly biased opinions) are Celestine and the Exorcist, and the first suffers from "2-dimensional pose syndrome" like the other old metal models do (as well as being so top-heavy GW eventually put a Terminator base in her kit) and the Exorcist is a nightmare to assemble and suffers from problems fitting together correctly due to how metal shrinks a bit when it cools (the worst of it being how it the baseplate for the pipes fits to the chassis of the Rhino).

So yeah, I love a lot about the army and how it looks but the models are holding it back. Give me plastics dang-it!

Back more to the thread as a whole: a friend at my FLGS pointed out that the new edition is being advertised with new "additional rules" which begs the question of they'll be optional extras or required core mechanics.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
you guys get FW right there in your backyard, seems you all play 30K...

I wish...

It's taking a while but my 30k is coming along, the trick is to mix marks (for mk5 heresy armour) to make the most of your money, it's perfectly fine (and fluffy) to put mk7 (experimental at the time) legs on mk2/3/4 armour and mk6 of course, save alot of money.

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I'm excited, love the idea of unbound armies, looking forward to 7th.

Agreed! 40k is about creativity, play and community, its not some super competitive teeth gritting chess game...never has been never will be. Shame faceless negativity rules the roost online, no offence to people taking a dislike to things everyone's entitled to there own opinions and tastes but it seems get way to out of hand around here at times.

Seriously, is there a holding pen where you lot get trained before being released to have the same conversation one after fething one?

People aren't after 40K becoming Chess, what people want is a fair game, where your choices of army, or those made in list building, don't render you liable to near certain defeat before a die is rolled, or susceptible to accusations of being TFG, for player input at table side to matter more than unit choice.

This isn't some impossible dream, nearly every one of the larger competitors offers this. You're correct in that it hasn't ever been 40K's strong point, but it is getting worse, and more concerning, rather than showing signs of correcting this, the process seems to be accelerating.

I'm not one of those pulling their hair out, condemning the new edition before we have any substantial knowledge of the changes, but I am holding on to a healthy dose of cynicism nonetheless. All you "everything is wonderful, everything is great, 40K is awesome" Lalas are getting on my tits almost as much as the rage-quitters. 40K can still be fun in the right circumstances, but to try and make out that there aren't some serious cracks being papered over by some very thin wallpaper, and that for the first time sales seem to be reflecting this - so it isn't the "vocal minority on the Internet" so much anymore, and that the game as it stands couldn't be vastly improved as an experience for both "casual" and "competitive" alike seems so disconnected from reality as to lead me to question anyone posting in this manner's sanity.

So battle forged lists get bonuses and most tournaments will probably be using battle forged only. The question I have is, will these bonuses make the current tournament power houses even more powerful? Granted, we don't have the information to answer that one way or another yet, but it does make me wonder. If these bonuses are only granted when facing unbound lists then no problem.

for all we know the bonuses to battle forged lists might only apply when playing against an unbound list. Just too early to tell

 ClockworkZion wrote:
and frankly the only REALLYgood models left (in terms of looks, in my horribly biased opinions) are Celestine and the Exorcist

You do not count that one as a really good model ?

Really ? It is in my humble opinion one of the very best of the whole range!

If I can get 10 ork mega nobs in plastic for the some times ridiculously cheap price that DV terminators were going for on ebay! Awesome. I don't need anymore space marines, unless the scouts have sniper rifle options.

I also like the Cannoness

I'm not entirely sure how discussion of favorite Sisters models even flirts with topic?

Perhaps better in a thread in 40K Discussion?

I rather have the Bing vs Google, at least that was original, thant someone rehousing SoB again.

So in other words, GW is really doing a good job of keeping a tight ship and nothing is leaking out now eh?

 azreal13 wrote:
I'm not entirely sure how discussion of favorite Sisters models even flirts with topic?

Perhaps better in a thread in 40K Discussion?

Yup, that's off-topic.

There'll be more Tues/Weds when people get WDW in hand, but for now, no, I'd say anyone in a position to leak info has done so. I'd regard 'new' stuff with healthy suspicion for the next few days.

This thread is derailed.

I'm really looking forward to the new allies matrix.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I'm excited, love the idea of unbound armies, looking forward to 7th.

Agreed! 40k is about creativity, play and community, its not some super competitive teeth gritting chess game...never has been never will be. Shame faceless negativity rules the roost online, no offence to people taking a dislike to things everyone's entitled to there own opinions and tastes but it seems get way to out of hand around here at times.

Seriously, is there a holding pen where you lot get trained before being released to have the same conversation one after fething one?

People aren't after 40K becoming Chess, what people want is a fair game, where your choices of army, or those made in list building, don't render you liable to near certain defeat before a die is rolled, or susceptible to accusations of being TFG, for player input at table side to matter more than unit choice.

This isn't some impossible dream, nearly every one of the larger competitors offers this. You're correct in that it hasn't ever been 40K's strong point, but it is getting worse, and more concerning, rather than showing signs of correcting this, the process seems to be accelerating.

I'm not one of those pulling their hair out, condemning the new edition before we have any substantial knowledge of the changes, but I am holding on to a healthy dose of cynicism nonetheless. All you "everything is wonderful, everything is great, 40K is awesome" Lalas are getting on my tits almost as much as the rage-quitters. 40K can still be fun in the right circumstances, but to try and make out that there aren't some serious cracks being papered over by some very thin wallpaper, and that for the first time sales seem to be reflecting this - so it isn't the "vocal minority on the Internet" so much anymore, and that the game as it stands couldn't be vastly improved as an experience for both "casual" and "competitive" alike seems so disconnected from reality as to lead me to question anyone posting in this manner's sanity.

Sure thing your absolutely right I'm crazy - mentally deficient even - thanks for the face palm you have evoked clarity for me and for my cooperating and discussing with my friends about our games...

Its no vocal minority, its the incessant contradiction and impossible conception of a thousand contrasting options clashing with the main common ground being disapproval that's finding unity and for some people, the less vocal minority, who would like to come and be interested without being told they are moronic, that also grows old very fast. Maybe if so many games do these things everyone holds dear so well they can play them for there reason and play 40k for its. As I said before everyone is entitled to there own tastes and opinions, and some times that means enjoying things for what they are and looking too others for theirs.

 Byte wrote:
This thread is derailed.

I'm really looking forward to the new allies matrix.

Me two, it difficulty to bring a fair gamey sense to the allies matrix and still hold the fluff strong, hopefully second times the charm, id hope for more use of strong alliance's among the imperium and then everyone else desperate paired with them bar obvious enemy's, the one off sides then use more a mix of fair alliance's across the board to balance up, tyranids will still need to be billy no mates tho lol

They were both great models in 1997 when the molds were new. Now the casts from them kind of suck, and it's time to retire them in favor of plastic. As for 7th, I'm ambivalent.

40k is plagued with a massive lack of internal and external balance which the design studio rabidly denies exists despite it being readily apparent within hours of a new release. We all knew Tau and Eldar and IG were good and we all knew Tyranids were bad the day the books dropped, and we all knew which parts of each were better than the rest.

I've loved the setting for 24 years, and the Black Library Money Printing Machine that is the HOrus Heresy series has only reinforced that despite James Swallow and Nick Kyme's literary vomit. I'll keep playing because I love "Forging the Narrative", but until the rules give narrative players the flexibility they crave and competitive ones the internal and external balance they need, I'm pretty much done buying models.

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I'm excited, love the idea of unbound armies, looking forward to 7th.

Agreed! 40k is about creativity, play and community, its not some super competitive teeth gritting chess game...never has been never will be. Shame faceless negativity rules the roost online, no offence to people taking a dislike to things everyone's entitled to there own opinions and tastes but it seems get way to out of hand around here at times.

Seriously, is there a holding pen where you lot get trained before being released to have the same conversation one after fething one?

People aren't after 40K becoming Chess, what people want is a fair game, where your choices of army, or those made in list building, don't render you liable to near certain defeat before a die is rolled, or susceptible to accusations of being TFG, for player input at table side to matter more than unit choice.

This isn't some impossible dream, nearly every one of the larger competitors offers this. You're correct in that it hasn't ever been 40K's strong point, but it is getting worse, and more concerning, rather than showing signs of correcting this, the process seems to be accelerating.

I'm not one of those pulling their hair out, condemning the new edition before we have any substantial knowledge of the changes, but I am holding on to a healthy dose of cynicism nonetheless. All you "everything is wonderful, everything is great, 40K is awesome" Lalas are getting on my tits almost as much as the rage-quitters. 40K can still be fun in the right circumstances, but to try and make out that there aren't some serious cracks being papered over by some very thin wallpaper, and that for the first time sales seem to be reflecting this - so it isn't the "vocal minority on the Internet" so much anymore, and that the game as it stands couldn't be vastly improved as an experience for both "casual" and "competitive" alike seems so disconnected from reality as to lead me to question anyone posting in this manner's sanity.

Sure thing your absolutely right I'm crazy - mentally deficient even - thanks for the face palm you have evoked clarity for me and for my cooperating and discussing with my friends about our games...

Its no vocal minority, its the incessant contradiction and impossible conception of a thousand contrasting options clashing with the main common ground being disapproval that's finding unity and for some people, the less vocal minority, who would like to come and be interested without being told they are moronic, that also grows old very fast. Maybe if so many games do these things everyone holds dear so well they can play them for there reason and play 40k for its. As I said before everyone is entitled to there own tastes and opinions, and some times that means enjoying things for what they are and looking too others for theirs.

I don't think that massive, ponderous, stream of consciousness post means what you think it does.

You're entitled to be interested, moron was your word, not mine.

If you're really not concerned for what a new edition a mere, and unprecedented, 2 years on from the last is going to do to the game in order to try and wring more cash out of the player base, then you're really not fully aware of the situation.

 azreal13 wrote:
If you're really not concerned for what a new edition a mere, and unprecedented, 2 years on from the last is going to do to the game in order to try and wring more cash out of the player base, then you're really not fully aware of the situation.

More than once I have seriously wondered if I am just really jaded and cynical or if other people just don't spend as much time as I do keeping up to day with all the goings on in the wargaming world...

What armies are coming in the boxed set?

What are we looking for in it for units?

What will the hardback look like, and for how much, $100.00? $200.00?

Yes. I too hope that the allies matrix gets revamped. I can see imperial forces allying, chaos with daemons and IG, Nids with nobody. The rest seem like they are not likely to buddy up all that much with anyone.

I don't think that massive, ponderous, stream of consciousness post means what you think it does.

You're entitled to be interested, moron was your word, not mine.

If you're really not concerned for what a new edition a mere, and unprecedented, 2 years on from the last is going to do to the game in order to try and wring more cash out of the player base, then you're really not fully aware of the situation.

This is pointless off topic couldn't we have continued about the allies matrix, well I guess your welcome to spin your condescension how ever you feel fit but please I'm well aware of the for mentioned 'situation' I'm just not sure I feel the gravity well imploding upon me that apparently is the deep dark depths of GWs corporate depravity, seriously some people act like this isn't your average business... GW is no Pharmo/chemo/massmarket/sweatshop/fastfood/conglomo/corporate/conspiracy to drain/wreak/havok/money/hate on the customer till bankruptcy, seriously look out the window our happy little world of business is not the gallant western metropolis its supposed to be, if half the people on dakka turned the same tongue on the rest of their consumer purchasing power maybe the world would be a better place and there would be less GW's out there...

ps I live in devon too so after all the kafuffle has blown over maybe ill see you in a couple of months happy as lary playing 7th ed aih, (till then here's something your fond of)

What armies are coming in the boxed set?

What are we looking for in it for units?

What will the hardback look like, and for how much, $100.00? $200.00?

I think we could make some good guess's about blood angels if they indeed are in the box and after orks due to them not having many older kits or gaps. They have a vets kit and jump kit, a dred and tank, I guess with the new psychic phase a psychic character redo maybe a given? what holes in BA do we see likely being filled by kits, special assault termies? a basic flavour kit for jump infantry or tacs? or maybe a brand new kit/s? an assault rhino perhaps...

 sennacherib wrote:
Yes. I too hope that the allies matrix gets revamped. I can see imperial forces allying, chaos with daemons and IG, Nids with nobody. The rest seem like they are not likely to buddy up all that much with anyone.

If Orks get paid enough they will fight with almost anyone. And I'm pretty sure that anyone would ally against Tyranids.

I don't like the unbound thing not because I don't want to see crazy armies but because something like that should not be written in to a core rule. For the past 5 editions I've had no problems breaking the 40k rules as I see fit, really don't need to be told I'm allowed to break the rules.

For those of us that like our games to be actual structured games instead of "do whatever the hell you want, we don't care!", it's hard to be anything but pessimistic.

 azreal13 wrote:
I'm not entirely sure how discussion of favorite Sisters models even flirts with topic?

Perhaps better in a thread in 40K Discussion?

To be fair, it would be one of the shortest threads ever.

 Grot 6 wrote:
What armies are coming in the boxed set?

What are we looking for in it for units?

What will the hardback look like, and for how much, $100.00? $200.00?

I'd be utterly shocked if the new rulebook wasn't at least triple digits, or very close to it. Rulebooks have all been drastically increasing in price: 5th was like $50 when it came out, 6th was $75, so I think $100 would be the logical progression...most codexes were $20-25 at the start of 5th too, if I'm not mistaken, and they're double that now. And I don't think GW will start being generous just because of a short edition cycle, either.

Can't wait for $75 codexes and supplements, and likewise I'll be surprised if we don't start seeing that in a year or two.

i'm hopeful we may see a slight reprieve from prise increase for now. not that i'm basing that on much more than I thought the tree man was going to be more than it was lol

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
i'm hopeful we may see a slight reprieve from prise increase for now. not that i'm basing that on much more than I thought the tree man was going to be more than it was lol

GW has done an amazing job setting people's expectations on these things. I feel like a lot of people are doing this mental exercise where they go "okay, my absolute insane maximum price for this item is...[blank]." And then when it comes up a few dollars short of that they say "okay, that's fair." And then when ask to defend their rationale, the only answer is "hey, gotta fill the GW need."

I mean, I can't imagine how rationalizing a 25% increase in price on a rulebook (which is the apparent rumor, could be wrong though) for a product that lasted only half the time as the previous editions would go otherwise. Do we say "well hey, at least it wasn't only a year!"

Truly quite impressive.

 Accolade wrote:

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
i'm hopeful we may see a slight reprieve from prise increase for now. not that i'm basing that on much more than I thought the tree man was going to be more than it was lol

GW has done an amazing job setting people's expectations on these things. I feel like a lot of people are doing this mental exercise where they go "okay, my absolute insane maximum price for this item is...[blank]." And then when it comes up a few dollars short of that they say "okay, that's fair." And then when ask to defend their rationale, the only answer is "hey, gotta fill the GW need."

I mean, I can't imagine how rationalizing a 25% increase in price on a rulebook (which is the apparent rumor, could be wrong though) for a product that lasted only half the time as the previous editions would go otherwise. Do we say "well hey, at least it wasn't only a year!"

Truly quite impressive.

Pricing rumors have been as low as $80 USD and as high as $100 USD. I think it's all speculation at this point though and while I've got $100 set aside for the release that's for the rulebook AND objective cards (which if they're like GW's other decks of cards like the 40k Psychic Powers one or the Storms of Magic card set should be sub-$20).

didn't rationalise anything other than saying I expected, based on resent trends, a price increase didn't see one so hope that may continue that was all, seriously people put down the pitch forks...currently your extrapolation is the only thing I need rationalising?! Seriously i'm just going to stop replying to people miss quoting and people not discussing the game, good night dakka.

So has anyone started to plan events for when 7th edition is released?

I know my local events are ramping up to get ready for 7th. There is going to be some crowd sourcing to get a bunch of questions answered before the tournament at the end of june.

...only thirteen more days...

Nothing planned here, would be fun though to hash out the new stuff over some games of it!!


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 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
didn't rationalise anything other than saying I expected, based on resent trends, a price increase didn't see one so hope that may continue that was all, seriously people put down the pitch forks...currently your extrapolation is the only thing I need rationalising?! Seriously i'm just going to stop replying to people miss quoting and people not discussing the game, good night dakka.

Don't let them bring you down man! Good posts BTW!