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I was really underwhelmed by the Unbound stuff when I first saw it, but I think it's just forced me to come to terms with the fact that 40k will always suffer from corporate game design efforts. Hopefully the core ruleset may improve overtime, and players will continue to take it on themselves to make the game work for their group. I can't imagine people will be plopping down Unbound armies unannounced anymore than they do so with super heavies.

 streetsamurai wrote:
yeah, but by this logic, a mono dark eldar army should have a special rules making them work as allies of convenience since they do not trust each other.

Yeah, that would be cool!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
yeah, but by this logic, a mono dark eldar army should have a special rules making them work as allies of convenience since they do not trust each other.

Yeah, that would be cool!

lol, indeed it would be a nice fluffy rules to add.

Only Tyranids get handicaps imposed for thematic reasons.

(Though I agree that would be a fitting rule for them.)

Anecdotes Incoming:

So venturing to the large game store in the region, I did some general table chatting around the dice rollers. The general consensus was that if they had heard about 7E fell into two categories. The first was a strong "Uhm, no... this book isn't even 2 years old..." or "Meh, roll with the punches". The latter sounded a bit defeatist as in either too invested or this is the only game I play. I can relate having 3 armies worth of 40k.

The others were generally more along the lines of... "Wait, what? 7E? When, Who, Huh?" A few of the younger guys exclaimed they had just chipped in to get a rulebook and what not just a few months ago... they were a bit flustered, but resolute on probably continuing with 6E for the foreseeable future.

I cannot really recall a reaction that elicited general excitement on the notion. Everyone's now just in a holding pattern..

Most of the Dark Eldar's treachery takes place before the raid into realspace, when they sabotage each other's transports to dramatically explode when struck by small arms fire and soak each others 6+ underwear armor in gasoline.

 TheKbob wrote:
Anecdotes Incoming:

So venturing to the large game store in the region, I did some general table chatting around the dice rollers. The general consensus was that if they had heard about 7E fell into two categories. The first was a strong "Uhm, no... this book isn't even 2 years old..." or "Meh, roll with the punches". The latter sounded a bit defeatist as in either too invested or this is the only game I play. I can relate having 3 armies worth of 40k.

The others were generally more along the lines of... "Wait, what? 7E? When, Who, Huh?" A few of the younger guys exclaimed they had just chipped in to get a rulebook and what not just a few months ago... they were a bit flustered, but resolute on probably continuing with 6E for the foreseeable future.

I cannot really recall a reaction that elicited general excitement on the notion. Everyone's now just in a holding pattern..

The five stages of grief they call it

The hardest part about the final stage is all the crap we're going to hear in the months to come about certain things being "written for 7th" which we all know will be total horsegak. I'm still trying to understand the difference between a dataslate and a datasheet.

I'm excited, love the idea of unbound armies, looking forward to 7th.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I'm excited, love the idea of unbound armies, looking forward to 7th.

I'm just excited for more ork figures (Blood Angels wont be under appreciated either)
The game... well I've played less games than I can actually count on my fingers in 6th :/ so maybe 7th will be better for me hehehe

Still.. gime them fig's!

I'm acquiring secondhand figs for a BA army to round out my 40k collection and then that's pretty much it for me. Plastic Sisters of Battle would be the one thing I go all in for, other then that, no thanks.

 Crimson wrote:
So if Dark Eldar do not trust Dark Eldar, should the be allies of convenience with units from their own army too?

Almost. The rule is not fitted to accurately represent the lack of trust between different dark eldars. But yeah, representing the fact that the kabals, haemonculi covens, and wych cults do not share the same chain of command could be interesting. And having a rule to represent the different intrigues would be cool!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
So if Dark Eldar do not trust Dark Eldar, should the be allies of convenience with units from their own army too?

Almost. The rule is not fitted to accurately represent the lack of trust between different dark eldars. But yeah, representing the fact that the kabals, haemonculi covens, and wych cults do not share the same chain of command could be interesting. And having a rule to represent the different intrigues would be cool!

No it wouldn't, it's a terrible idea, intrigue at court was tried in fantasy and annoyed alot of people, dark eldar do not need some silly rule to represent infighting.

 Formosa wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
So if Dark Eldar do not trust Dark Eldar, should the be allies of convenience with units from their own army too?

Almost. The rule is not fitted to accurately represent the lack of trust between different dark eldars. But yeah, representing the fact that the kabals, haemonculi covens, and wych cults do not share the same chain of command could be interesting. And having a rule to represent the different intrigues would be cool!

No it wouldn't, it's a terrible idea, intrigue at court was tried in fantasy and annoyed alot of people, dark eldar do not need some silly rule to represent infighting.

The closest I could see is somewhat similar to marks in chaos where you can't mix differently marked units together.

 Formosa wrote:
No it wouldn't, it's a terrible idea, intrigue at court was tried in fantasy and annoyed alot of people, dark eldar do not need some silly rule to represent infighting.

Well, it is not the only rule. There is also the rule about Commissar shooting their guardsmen that is quite similar .

 Accolade wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:

Allies of Convenience.

Yeah, I'd be fine with if BB was removed and AoC was the best level available to anyone. I just don't want Eldar to have better relationship with, say, IG or Tau, than they have with the Dark Eldar.

Or Space Marines, xenophobic by definition, having better relations with xenos than with Sisters of Battle.

Look, I don't know how much clearer GW needs to be- they hate Sisters and they hate people who play Sisters even more.

I, uh, feel like I should say just kidding, but then I don't think that's actually untrue.

Truth hurts man

Who knows GW did update Wood Elves...*lights a candle every night in hopes of an update*

Didnt Sisters get an update like 2 months ago? It might still take a while for the digital codex to become hardback though, given that GW is busy with the 7th ed release right now.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Didnt Sisters get an update like 2 months ago? It might still take a while for the digital codex to become hardback though, given that GW is busy with the 7th ed release right now.

The digital codex was released last October/ November. Sister players would rather have plastic models at this point than a hardback codex.

 sennacherib wrote:
What i think is funny is the stir that the mention of unbound lists has made. Just w few months ago people were posting about how they hate the force org chart. ... .

I never saw any of that.

 l0k1 wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Didnt Sisters get an update like 2 months ago? It might still take a while for the digital codex to become hardback though, given that GW is busy with the 7th ed release right now.

The digital codex was released last October/ November. Sister players would rather have plastic models at this point than a hardback codex.

As a Sisters player, I really hope we don't get plastics. I think the Sisters metal sculpts are the best in the GW range at the moment. Not like they're that much more expensive than plastics these days anyway.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Didnt Sisters get an update like 2 months ago? It might still take a while for the digital codex to become hardback though, given that GW is busy with the 7th ed release right now.

The digital codex was never meant for print. It's a stop-gap replacement for Codex: Witch Hunters to tide everyone over until they get around to doing a proper codex update. Which, going by previous history for Sisters releases, will be 3 and a half minutes before a new edition is due to be released. My money is on 'just before 8th edition' at this point.

 insaniak wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Didnt Sisters get an update like 2 months ago? It might still take a while for the digital codex to become hardback though, given that GW is busy with the 7th ed release right now.

The digital codex was never meant for print. It's a stop-gap replacement for Codex: Witch Hunters to tide everyone over until they get around to doing a proper codex update. Which, going by previous history for Sisters releases, will be 3 and a half minutes before a new edition is due to be released. My money is on 'just before 8th edition' at this point.

*insert "ridiculously short time frame" joke here*

Most folks, including non-Sisters players, would want plastic sisters given how GW is doing female models much better these days. I have a full army of SoB. Things like Repentia need redone badly, and we need more than, what... 4 poses for our standard troops? Having a special weapon girl cost $10 alone is absolutely nuts.

And yes, the SoB got a new book late last year. It continues the trend of each book getting weaker and weaker, though. Without allies, you have no answer to flying threats and are limited to using roughly 5 of the 8 units outside of the HQ slot effectively. Celestians are overpriced, Repentia are up there for worst unit in the game, and all I have to say about Penitent Engines is "melee-focused open topped rhino". Retributors are sort of useful, but given the faith nerf, they went from a much used unit to "probably just another Exorcist". Dominions went from highly flexible with twin-linked as their ability, to ignores cover. Ignores cover bolters are meh, ignores cover on flamers is wasted, and ignores cover melta guns are situation based at best (mainly wave serpent hunting).

Oh, and they deleted a special character for no reason.

But hey, we can spam potentially game-breaking priests! For more re-roll everything fun!

Our digital dex actually removed 2 units from the White Dwarf list making our small choices even smaller.

We only have a single non special character HQ and only have a single troop choice.

The least GW could have done was make all of the choices in the digital dex be viable. Instead they made 2 units that have always sucked even worse instead of fixing them.

Who knows Wood Elves finally got a proper update we could be next...in 2021

 insaniak wrote:

 Sir Arun wrote:
Didnt Sisters get an update like 2 months ago? It might still take a while for the digital codex to become hardback though, given that GW is busy with the 7th ed release right now.

The digital codex was never meant for print. It's a stop-gap replacement for Codex: Witch Hunters to tide everyone over until they get around to doing a proper codex update. Which, going by previous history for Sisters releases, will be 3 and a half minutes before a new edition is due to be released. My money is on 'just before 8th edition' at this point.

Wouldn't it technically be a stopgap replacement for the WD only Cruddace codex?

Not that that makes the situation any better for SoB armies... My poor girls...

Still, I bet they make cool fluffy allies. Sisters of Battle + Inquisition + Imperial Guard for an old school Witch Hunters themed army?

I'm a Space Marine (Raven Guard) player, but I'm salivating at the thought of such a fluffy themed list.

Loopstah wrote:
Got a postcard in a mail order today. 4 of 4.

Picture of a Chaos Marine with "There is only War" on the Aquila.

I'm assuming the other three will be the Commisar, Knight and Dark Angel or are they different from the posters?

Well, Mr. Fancy Pants... How did you get so special mate? Us Yanks aren't so lucky... you guys get FW right there in your backyard, seems you all play 30K... Yes I'm jealous, and you get fancy post cards...

 Kelly502 wrote:
you guys get FW right there in your backyard, seems you all play 30K...

I wish...

I am looking forward to the more dynamic strategy, sounds really great! Looks the games will be moving more like a battle where things change constantly and the initial objectives become secondary perhaps.

This Dark Eldar plus Eldar alliance is ok with me, I could see the two factions using each other as they tend to use everything to meet their needs and wants. A little shady with the Librarians being able to summon demons and such but I'm open to it. As long as the Librarian gets munched on and the army who summoned it gets a chance to be munched on as well. I have some beasties I have used on the alien worlds terrain we play on, just like a pack of dino looking critters, that move randomly, causing a bit of a fuss with troops that get too close, tying them up for a turn or so. Would be cool if the demon works about the same, last ditch chance to kill the enemy yet it turns as soon as it meets its obligation, moves to nearest unit to kill them be it summoning army, or enemy.


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Kelly502 wrote:
you guys get FW right there in your backyard, seems you all play 30K...

I wish...

Oh man, I didn't mean to make you sad... (sympathetic pat on shoulder) atta boy lad, it's ok, I don't get to play 30K either.

 streamdragon wrote:
Wouldn't it technically be a stopgap replacement for the WD only Cruddace codex?

Let us say it is a stopgap codex between the previous stopgap codex and the next stopgap codex. Awesome!

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
I'm excited, love the idea of unbound armies, looking forward to 7th.

Agreed! 40k is about creativity, play and community, its not some super competitive teeth gritting chess game...never has been never will be. Shame faceless negativity rules the roost online, no offence to people taking a dislike to things everyone's entitled to there own opinions and tastes but it seems get way to out of hand around here at times.