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2014/05/12 08:48:31
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - new rumors added in OP 5/11
All units including vehicles can score +unbound armies can not contest=unbound is DOA in competitive play.
If 2 scoring units are on an objective but one can't contest because of unbound the other player gets the objective and wins.
It seems like unbound isn't a bad idea now and should not be much of a problem.
Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the realm, or love, or the gods…illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is, but they’ll never know this. Not until it’s too late.
2014/05/12 08:52:47
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
I liked that Video, gave as a quick insight on what to expect and was enough to hype me a little more. I am actually really looking forward playing with the new rules!
Oh, and it looks like they're now going for "REPLAY the narrative" instead of "FORGE the narrative"
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Was somewhat reassuring.. maybe they do know what they're doing !
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2014/05/12 09:00:37
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
So one of the benefits of a not unbound army is rerolling the warlord trait...
I know I've been out of the loop a while but I don't see how that will help me and an army of Night Lords using only jump troops not get tabled by turn 4 against the 2+ helldrake/2+ ripetide/2+ wraithknight/screamerstar meta that already exists in my area (and knowing the players will jump up to 5+ with unbound)....
Fafnir wrote: Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
2014/05/12 09:01:29
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
That was actually informative. Also, 'Objective Secured' special rule for Battleforged Troops means that there is still a point having Troops, so I'm pleased. (Now if they remember to FAQ Pedro Kantor giving 'Objective Secured' to Sternguard, I'm content with these scoring changes.)
The objective secured rule seems interesting. It says that a unit with this rule can capture objectives even if it is within firing range of an enemy. Sounds like you can now suppress an enemy objective taker, especially if that enemy is in an unbound army.
Gah, never mind. Completely misread that rule
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2014/05/12 09:15:04
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
jonolikespie wrote: So one of the benefits of a not unbound army is rerolling the warlord trait...
I know I've been out of the loop a while but I don't see how that will help me and an army of Night Lords using only jump troops not get tabled by turn 4 against the 2+ helldrake/2+ ripetide/2+ wraithknight/screamerstar meta that already exists in my area (and knowing the players will jump up to 5+ with unbound)....
Everything in your army will be able to score and contest even vehicles or flyers. Nothing in an unbound army can contest. That won't make night lord jump spam any more competitive, but unbound will get curbstomped by regular tournament level armies.
Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the realm, or love, or the gods…illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is, but they’ll never know this. Not until it’s too late.
2014/05/12 09:21:10
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
jonolikespie wrote: So one of the benefits of a not unbound army is rerolling the warlord trait...
I know I've been out of the loop a while but I don't see how that will help me and an army of Night Lords using only jump troops not get tabled by turn 4 against the 2+ helldrake/2+ ripetide/2+ wraithknight/screamerstar meta that already exists in my area (and knowing the players will jump up to 5+ with unbound)....
Everything in your army will be able to score and contest even vehicles or flyers. Nothing in an unbound army can contest. That won't make night lord jump spam any more competitive, but unbound will get curbstomped by regular tournament level armies.
This makes me sad.
I still have a half a dozen army ideas I'd be happy to drop hundreds on if only I wasn't forced to bastardize them to make them competitive or accept that I'll lose 9 out of 10 games.
Fafnir wrote: Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
2014/05/12 09:28:31
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Objective secured means enemy units can't contest the objective unless they also have objective secured. All troops in a regular bound list are super scoring like skyblight gargoyles.
So to sum things up everything scores but there are 3 tiers.
Tier 1 Objective secured which is on bound troops.
Tier 2 Units from a bound list
Tier 3 Units from an unbound list
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2014/05/12 09:31:08
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
So everything can score but only troops can score without the enemy being able to contest in a Battleforged army. Guess this gives troops a use still.
Also noticed the Lord of War present on the Combined Arms detachment list so no more crying that you can't take a superheavy because Escalation is an expansion.
2014/05/12 09:34:17
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
From what I'm hearing on the video there are actually 3 types of forces:
Warforged - Following the normal Force Org Chart. which still seems to be as silly as the current Force Org Chart, and you get bonuses for this.
Normal - Same faction, but no force org limits
Unbound - doesn't even need to be the same faction. Nids allied with Grey Knights and Chaos Daemons.
Is that what other people are hearing also?
2014/05/12 09:40:04
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - new WD info added in OP 5/8
Nightlord1987 wrote: I'm just excited I can finally use my Great Unclean One (hopefully) with the Daemonology.
Hell, I bought the thing when Greater Daemons would have to first possess a Champion with Daemonic Chains!
I bought my Keeper of Secrets back when I had to build up Slaaneshi Summoning Points by forcing leadership checks on the enemy, could possess any model with the Mark of Slaanesh (including Noisemarines) and all my daemons would vanish if I had no models with the Mark of Slaanesh left on the field...
But yes, I am intrigued by this Daemonology lore also.
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2014/05/12 09:47:18
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Grey Templar wrote: The Riptide can't be a giant death robot, its completely lacking a sword or massive chainsaw. All giant death robots have swords or massive chainsaws.
2014/05/12 09:48:47
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Trasvi wrote: From what I'm hearing on the video there are actually 3 types of forces:
Warforged - Following the normal Force Org Chart. which still seems to be as silly as the current Force Org Chart, and you get bonuses for this.
Normal - Same faction, but no force org limits
Unbound - doesn't even need to be the same faction. Nids allied with Grey Knights and Chaos Daemons.
Is that what other people are hearing also?
No. You have the first one, Battle forged/war forged - Using the normal force org chart.
Then Unbound.
The 3rd thing he mentioned was Formations.
There's no middle ground.
ascended_mike wrote: The unbound stuff gives an interesting twist - Take tournaments out of the equation for a moment.
Against friends, how fun will it be for your Battleforged army to take on waves and waves of Carnifexes and stuff.
...and WIN!
I like that idea! (And my friends wouldn't be 'that guy'...)
Why on earth would you need permission from GW in the form of an official rule to do that? Really, what was stopping people from doing this before?
The idea of GW creating a way to Balance it out pleases me. The fact troops with "objective secured" can't be contested by anyone that doesn't have this rule, is a pretty cool change. I'm sure there's more to come.
Relax mate.
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I'm liking what I've seen in that video, and I'm also kind of interested to see what happens with Formations going forward. Will we get a Kult of Speed formation in the new Orks book? I'd say that Orks lend themselves well to formations, as the clans fluff does lend itself to taking an army with two or three different contingents in it.
2014/05/12 10:08:01
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Combined Arms Detachments and Allied Detachments are 'Core Detachments' which can be included in 'any battle-forged army'. Presumably this means that there are other types of detachment available?
There seem to be some references to units with 'no faction'. Does that just mean things like fortifications? Presumably 'faction' is equivalent to 'codex' or 'army list', because allied detachments seem to have a requirement that they are from a different faction to the primary detachment.
It seems that an allied detachment can not be the primary detachment, but the primary detachment doesn't have to be a combined arms detachment. I guess that's so you can have inquisition or knight forces as your primary detachment. I guess they don't get the objective secured rule, which makes them a little less nasty.
Battle Forged = a formal force, set up by a commander, with an aim on the battle field, a mission to complete and strong command structures in place.
Unbound = A bunch of guys without that. The troops that have been left trapped away from command by a advancing enemy, the guys in an outpost not expecting any trouble that suddenly finds itself attacked by a strike force, raiders or rebels running amok with no overall command, and all the other types of irregular forces that are common on the modern battlefield.
Interesting, and hopefully will help us get away from the current idea of two lines of troops facing each other and slugging away.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
2014/05/12 10:13:19
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Why on earth would you need permission from GW in the form of an official rule to do that? Really, what was stopping people from doing this before?
The idea of GW creating a way to Balance it out pleases me. The fact troops with "objective secured" can't be contested by anyone that doesn't have this rule, is a pretty cool change. I'm sure there's more to come.
Relax mate.
Relax? I am relaxed. I don't appreciate the sarcasm.
And you still havn't answered my question. If people playing with their friends want to ignore FOC rules and just throw waves of models at each other, what was stopping them beforehand from making up houserules? Why do people need to be spoonfed by GW?
2014/05/12 10:17:41
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
What dose it matter that they have added these rules? It means people are given rules in which to do it. If people don't like it they can just not use the unbound rules, as per the video.
insaniak wrote: Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
2014/05/12 10:18:53
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Steve steveson wrote: What dose it matter that they have added these rules? It means people are given rules in which to do it. If people don't like it they can just not use the unbound rules, as per the video.
Still not answering my question...
2014/05/12 10:19:23
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Battle Forged = a formal force, set up by a commander, with an aim on the battle field, a mission to complete and strong command structures in place.
Unbound = A bunch of guys without that. The troops that have been left trapped away from command by a advancing enemy, the guys in an outpost not expecting any trouble that suddenly finds itself attacked by a strike force, raiders or rebels running amok with no overall command, and all the other types of irregular forces that are common on the modern battlefield.
Interesting, and hopefully will help us get away from the current idea of two lines of troops facing each other and slugging away.
Alternatively your organised force of troops with their commander stumble ontop of a hive/tombworld that unleashes everything it has nearby in a mass swarm of death! Little organisation, but equally deadly!
I like it.
And to answer those people with their WAAC armies, I just won't play people like that. :]
Seems like an interesting change to have all Battle-forged models outscore Unbound options. No idea how it will play out competitively (will 5+ Riptides/Heldrakes worry about scoring?) but it appears to be a fair enough counter, assuming most missons are still objective-based.
Re-rolling the Warlord trait is fairly inconsequential, but one game in a dozen it might do something.
I'm not sure I like the idea of all units scoring, though. Making sure you have enough scoring potential was an important part of list-building, now it will be less so.
2014/05/12 10:24:58
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Why on earth would you need permission from GW in the form of an official rule to do that? Really, what was stopping people from doing this before?
The idea of GW creating a way to Balance it out pleases me. The fact troops with "objective secured" can't be contested by anyone that doesn't have this rule, is a pretty cool change. I'm sure there's more to come.
Relax mate.
Relax? I am relaxed. I don't appreciate the sarcasm.
And you still havn't answered my question. If people playing with their friends want to ignore FOC rules and just throw waves of models at each other, what was stopping them beforehand from making up houserules? Why do people need to be spoonfed by GW?
Sarcasm? I'm not being sarcastic at all. I'm telling you to relax because you're jumping down my throat for saying I like a change they've made. There's nothing sarcastic there at all. With regards to house ruling... You could say the same about anything rule they implement!
What's to stop you and your friends from making a 6th/7th edition Ork codex as play it using house rules? Nothing. A lot of people moan about GW's latest 6th editio, It's nice to see GW implementing stuff so it doesn't have to be house ruled. I for one like the changes.
Are you just sour because you don't like it? If you don't like it, Don't play with or against people using unbound lists. Simple as that.
I don't understand the problem.
You can just 'house rule' that Unbound doesn't exist
Why on earth would you need permission from GW in the form of an official rule to do that? Really, what was stopping people from doing this before?
The idea of GW creating a way to Balance it out pleases me. The fact troops with "objective secured" can't be contested by anyone that doesn't have this rule, is a pretty cool change. I'm sure there's more to come.
Relax mate.
Relax? I am relaxed. I don't appreciate the sarcasm.
And you still havn't answered my question. If people playing with their friends want to ignore FOC rules and just throw waves of models at each other, what was stopping them beforehand from making up houserules? Why do people need to be spoonfed by GW?
Sarcasm? I'm not being sarcastic at all. I'm telling you to relax because you're jumping down my throat for saying I like a change they've made. There's nothing sarcastic there at all. With regards to house ruling... You could say the same about anything rule they implement!
I'm not jumping down your throat. I'm asking you to explain something that you said that I find mind boggling.
If people playing friendly games with their friends wanted to do something, why would they wait for years until a new Edition from GW said they could do it?
What's to stop you and your friends from making a 6th/7th edition Ork codex as play it using house rules? Nothing. A lot of people moan about GW's latest 6th editio, It's nice to see GW implementing stuff so it doesn't have to be house ruled. I for one like the changes.
What was stopping you and your friends making houserules in 6th Ed to ignore the FOC?
Are you just sour because you don't like it? If you don't like it, Don't play with or against people using unbound lists. Simple as that.
I don't understand the problem.
You can just 'house rule' that Unbound doesn't exist
STILL not answering the question.
2014/05/12 10:35:23
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 24th may (may 17th pre-order) confirmed - All info 1st post. P131 new video.
Wow reading these comments is like listening to a madman. Removing the force org. would be fun? interesting? exciting? It's the last bit of balance this game is holding onto and its going by the way side.
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