40k 7th Edition release 24th may - All info in 1st post, psychic power cards added (5/21)

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**agnosto**

ClockworkZion wrote:
agnosto wrote:
Man, that's a whole lot of level 3 psychic powers.

And if the way the powers are used is correct then you need to roll 3+ dice with a 4 or better on each of them to cast the powers. I see lots of dice being thrown to get these off.

And my Tau will be able to do nothing about this stuff....gee, I'm facing an army with 20 dice in the psychic phase and I have a maximum of 6...wow.

**Crimson**

Okay, loyalists better have no access to that Malefic Daemonology... For CSM it is quite cool (I wonder if Khorne would be okay with a sorcerer summoning his daemons?)

**Ifurita**

I guess unbound will finally let people run their genestealer cult lists.

**Mr.Church13**

So we're up to...

7th ed rules
Mission cards
And Codex Deamons required to use the psychic powers

That start gap grows ever wider still.

**Samurai_Eduh**

Any help for the work blocked?

**WrentheFaceless**

Summoning as the primaris? But 3 warp charges, seems ok for what you could possibly get

Now to see what armies can actually use this power table

**Sinful Hero**

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So we're up to...

7th ed rules
Mission cards
And Codex Deamons required to use the psychic powers

That start gap grows ever wider still.

Except for the fact you won't need the cards or the daemon codex to play the game. You have to have a Mastery Level 3 psyker to even use most of them. There is more than the malefic psychic chart.

**barko**

How many 6+ do i need to roll in order to deny a level 3 power. I know they need three 4+ rolls to get the power of does that make me roll three 6+ to deny it? Do I just need one 6+ to deny the power? I play Necrons, Do my tomb spiders need to roll their special denial roll from the pool or is it separate, as far as that goes do they need a 6+ now or still the 4+ they had before? I know other armies have similar rules in them so I think we can see some FAQ action from day one, or at least I hope we do.

**Squidbot**

That picture looks really odd to me. Maybe I'm being overly critical.

**Sir Arun**

Hahahah if the jink rumor turns out to be true, White Scars players who started a WS army just because of how good they were since September 13 took a high five. To the face. With a bat.

**Mr.Church13**

Sinful Hero wrote:
Mr.Church13 wrote:
So we're up to...

7th ed rules
Mission cards
And Codex Deamons required to use the psychic powers

That start gap grows ever wider still.

Except for the fact you won't need the cards or the daemon codex to play the game. You have to have a Mastery Level 3 psyker to even use most of them. There is more than the malefic psychic chart.

Except for the fact that unless they provide the full rules special and statline wise for all those daemons in the BRB. You in fact will need the Codex: Chaos Deamons to make use of the powers of summoning at all.

**rigeld2**

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So we're up to...

7th ed rules
Mission cards
And Codex Deamons required to use the psychic powers

That start gap grows ever wider still.

Only one of those is actually required to play the game.

**agnosto**

barko wrote:
How many 6+ do i need to roll in order to deny a level 3 power. I know they need three 4+ rolls to get the power of does that make me roll three 6+ to deny it? Do I just need one 6+ to deny the power? I play Necrons, Do my tomb spiders need to roll their special denial roll from the pool or is it separate, as far as that goes do they need a 6+ now or still the 4+ they had before? I know other armies have similar rules in them so I think we can see some FAQ action from day one, or at least I hope we do.

And how will psychic hoods work with all of this?

**Happygrunt**

Cursed earth seems to go a long way to making War Talons worth it.

Also, I do like the daemon summoing powers. I am not a fan of the requirement to buy the Chaos Daemons book on top of it, but I understand why they are not included.

Urge to run traitor guard rising...

**Ragnar69**

"I'm taking only Wyrdvane Psikers and drown eveyrone in Bloodthirtherrs yadda yadda sky is falling" ;-)
I think I like those powers. They are fluffy and not OP. I woldn't take them with loyalists, but for Traitor guard they look nifty.
I can already hear the screams "cash grab! You need the demons dex!" But personally I think it would have been a bad idea to include all demons stats/rules in the BRB.
Of course I'm not happy shelling out a hundred bucks for a new book, but I realy (want to) believe that 7th will be better than 6th and that was my preferred edition by far.

**slaede**

Oh yeah, I forgot the bit about mission cards in my blog post.

You pull three cards from the deck as does your opponent. If you accomplish the objective on the card, you draw another. You always have three cards in hand.

**Perfect Organism**

New psyker rules seem like a significant nerf to armies with lots of psykers, if that 4+ thing is correct. You need two or three dice to have a similar chance of casting a mastery level 1 power. Once you've got more than a couple of mastery levels in your army, they become less effective than they are now. Astra Militarum players are probably hit hardest by that.

Not sure how things are likely to go with builds that rely heavily on one power. On the one hand, it's simple enough to put plenty of dice into the one you want, but on the other it might also be easy enough to block it with Deny the Witch.

Looks like Malefic Daemonology is pretty much what people were afraid of. At least it doesn't force you to randomise the type of daemon you get.

Cursed Ground seems like it will be part of some nasty combos, thanks to stacking. Whether that means Daemon based deathstars are still viable depends to be seen. Will make Daemon Engines and Obliterators especially tough.

Sanctic Daemonology might offer counters to that kind of thing though, through debuffs to Daemon saves or something.

Psychic shooting attacks seem to still be terribly underwhelming. You effectively end up paying 25 points for something little more impressive than a combi-weapon.

And I have to say I absolutely love the look of the new book. I think they got a little too excited about being able to do everything in full colour for sixth edition and forgot that 'less is often more'. This one looks sharp as hell.

**Squidbot**

slaede wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot the bit about mission cards in my blog post.

You pull three cards from the deck as does your opponent. If you accomplish the objective on the card, you draw another. You always have three cards in hand.

Do you have to reveal cards?

**Sinful Hero**

Mr.Church13 wrote:
Sinful Hero wrote:
Mr.Church13 wrote:
So we're up to...

7th ed rules
Mission cards
And Codex Deamons required to use the psychic powers

That start gap grows ever wider still.

Except for the fact you won't need the cards or the daemon codex to play the game. You have to have a Mastery Level 3 psyker to even use most of them. There is more than the malefic psychic chart.

Except for the fact that unless they provide the full rules special and statline wise for all those daemons in the BRB. You in fact will need the Codex: Chaos Deamons to make use of the powers of summoning at all.

Except for the fact the Malefic powers aren't required to play the game.

**slaede**

barko wrote:
How many 6+ do i need to roll in order to deny a level 3 power. I know they need three 4+ rolls to get the power of does that make me roll three 6+ to deny it? Do I just need one 6+ to deny the power? I play Necrons, Do my tomb spiders need to roll their special denial roll from the pool or is it separate, as far as that goes do they need a 6+ now or still the 4+ they had before? I know other armies have similar rules in them so I think we can see some FAQ action from day one, or at least I hope we do.

I would assume you need three, but I do not know.

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Squidbot wrote:
slaede wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot the bit about mission cards in my blog post.

You pull three cards from the deck as does your opponent. If you accomplish the objective on the card, you draw another. You always have three cards in hand.

Do you have to reveal cards?

I wasn't told that. I assume you would have to do that.

**Happygrunt**

Perfect Organism wrote:

And I have to say I absolutely love the look of the new book. I think they got a little too excited about being able to do everything in full colour for sixth edition and forgot that 'less is often more'. This one looks sharp as hell.

I agree. I am enjoying the "minimalist" style.

**ClockworkZion**

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So we're up to...

7th ed rules
Mission cards
And Codex Deamons required to use the psychic powers

That start gap grows ever wider still.

Last one is only true for Daemonology, and the cards might be optional extras that replace a chart in the book that does the same thing.

**Eldarain**

slaede wrote:
barko wrote:
How many 6+ do i need to roll in order to deny a level 3 power. I know they need three 4+ rolls to get the power of does that make me roll three 6+ to deny it? Do I just need one 6+ to deny the power? I play Necrons, Do my tomb spiders need to roll their special denial roll from the pool or is it separate, as far as that goes do they need a 6+ now or still the 4+ they had before? I know other armies have similar rules in them so I think we can see some FAQ action from day one, or at least I hope we do.

I would assume you need three, but I do not know.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Squidbot wrote:
slaede wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot the bit about mission cards in my blog post.

You pull three cards from the deck as does your opponent. If you accomplish the objective on the card, you draw another. You always have three cards in hand.

Do you have to reveal cards?

I wasn't told that. I assume you would have to do that.

Or one for each 4+ your opponent rolls. If they are taking a WHFB approach, they might take the "add more dice to try and force it through while putting yourself at further risk of Perils" mechanic.

**ClockworkZion**

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
Any help for the work blocked?

http://talkwargaming.blogspot.com/2014/05/news-daemonology-leaked.html

**Mr.Church13**

Sinful Hero wrote:
Mr.Church13 wrote:
Sinful Hero wrote:
Mr.Church13 wrote:
So we're up to...

7th ed rules
Mission cards
And Codex Deamons required to use the psychic powers

That start gap grows ever wider still.

Except for the fact you won't need the cards or the daemon codex to play the game. You have to have a Mastery Level 3 psyker to even use most of them. There is more than the malefic psychic chart.

Except for the fact that unless they provide the full rules special and statline wise for all those daemons in the BRB. You in fact will need the Codex: Chaos Deamons to make use of the powers of summoning at all.

Except for the fact the Malefic powers aren't required to play the game.

But being cut off from using a power you have access to because you don't wanna buy a codex is just a ok when you already pay a premium for the basic rules. Yup gotcha. Here's your hamburger and french fries but if you eat any fries its an extra 60 bucks.

**Vector Strike**

pretre wrote:
slaede wrote:
http://daemons40k.blogspot.com/2014/05/i-have-some-7th-edition-infos-psychic.html

My FLGS manager got some info out of his GW rep. Apparently they can spill the beans now, but I only got a bit of new infos about the psychic phase.

At least paste the information... edit: Ahh, he wants blog hits.

I spoke with my FLGS guy who talked to the GW rep this morning. Not all of my questions were answered, but here is what I heard that is not something already all over the internet. This assumes the GW rep had his facts straight, and the FLGS guy relayed them correctly via the game of telephone.

Battle Brothers

Eldar/DE
Chaos/Daemons
All Imperium

All others were convenience, desperate or apocalypse.

No answer as to whether you can join units of battle brothers.

Psychic Phase

Roll a D6 and add the total mastery levels of all your psykers. You get that many power dice and your opponent gets that many DTW dice.

To cast a power, you need to roll a 4+ for every warp charge of the power you're using. So warp charge 2 = two 4+, meaning you'd need 4 power dice to have an average shot.

Your opponent dispels the power with a roll of a 6 on their dice. So the more dice they have, the more shots they get at rolling that 6 to cancel out that critical power. I was told that the mastery level of the psyker dispelling the power lowers the roll needed to dispel it. So a ML2 psyker dispels on a 5+, ML3 on a 4+. etc...

That is what I was told.

That seems wrong to me because Fateweaver, Eldrad and Ahriman could dispel anything on a 3+. More likely, I would think you compare mastery levels between the casting psyker and the dispelling psyker, and apply a bonus that way. This is conjecture. What I wrote above is what I was told.

What I also don't know is if there is a dice limit a psyker can use to cast or dispel a power based on their mastery level. I also don't know if you need two 6's to dispel a ML2 power. I assume you do.

You would figure Adamantium Will would give you +1 to DTW for powers cast at a unit with that rule.

Jink Save

Jink is a 4+, however it is no longer always on. You must declare a jink to claim it, and if you do so, it's snapshots only in the next phase.

Sweeping Advance

Unchanged. You do not consolidate into a new combat.

And that's all I got that's new! So you can go runtelldat.

No BB for Tau... but that makes sense. Taudar lists got some shaft, as Centurion stars now rely on Loth or Mantis Warriors Libs. I'd like to see them as the kings of Allies of Convenience.

Both sides get the same number of dice in psychic phase. That's cool! Casting on 4+ for each 'Warp Charge' is nice as well. Who could tell, Fatey, Eldrad and Ahriman play Blue decks.

Now Jink is WAY more balanced. On the other hand, focus firing Centurions and bypassing LANGUAGE! in his bike won't be a possibility (why would a 2+/3++ model turn jink on?)

No change to consolidation... it would be nice to have.

Remember: The language filter is a convenience, not an excuse - you're still responsible for your posts. --Janthkin

**WrentheFaceless**

Mr.Church13 wrote:

But being cut off from using a power you have access to because you don't wanna buy a codex is just a ok when you already pay a premium for the basic rules. Yup gotcha. Here's your hamburger and french fries but if you eat any fries its an extra 60 bucks.

Except the demon models basic statlines aside from special rules are in the rulebook in 6th in the back?

**FacelessMage**

Ifurita wrote:
I guess unbound will finally let people run their genestealer cult lists.

I can only dream of this.

**Happygrunt**

Vector Strike wrote:
pretre wrote:
slaede wrote:
http://daemons40k.blogspot.com/2014/05/i-have-some-7th-edition-infos-psychic.html

My FLGS manager got some info out of his GW rep. Apparently they can spill the beans now, but I only got a bit of new infos about the psychic phase.

At least paste the information... edit: Ahh, he wants blog hits.

I spoke with my FLGS guy who talked to the GW rep this morning. Not all of my questions were answered, but here is what I heard that is not something already all over the internet. This assumes the GW rep had his facts straight, and the FLGS guy relayed them correctly via the game of telephone.

Battle Brothers

Eldar/DE
Chaos/Daemons
All Imperium

All others were convenience, desperate or apocalypse.

No answer as to whether you can join units of battle brothers.

Psychic Phase

Roll a D6 and add the total mastery levels of all your psykers. You get that many power dice and your opponent gets that many DTW dice.

To cast a power, you need to roll a 4+ for every warp charge of the power you're using. So warp charge 2 = two 4+, meaning you'd need 4 power dice to have an average shot.

Your opponent dispels the power with a roll of a 6 on their dice. So the more dice they have, the more shots they get at rolling that 6 to cancel out that critical power. I was told that the mastery level of the psyker dispelling the power lowers the roll needed to dispel it. So a ML2 psyker dispels on a 5+, ML3 on a 4+. etc...

That is what I was told.

That seems wrong to me because Fateweaver, Eldrad and Ahriman could dispel anything on a 3+. More likely, I would think you compare mastery levels between the casting psyker and the dispelling psyker, and apply a bonus that way. This is conjecture. What I wrote above is what I was told.

What I also don't know is if there is a dice limit a psyker can use to cast or dispel a power based on their mastery level. I also don't know if you need two 6's to dispel a ML2 power. I assume you do.

You would figure Adamantium Will would give you +1 to DTW for powers cast at a unit with that rule.

Jink Save

Jink is a 4+, however it is no longer always on. You must declare a jink to claim it, and if you do so, it's snapshots only in the next phase.

Sweeping Advance

Unchanged. You do not consolidate into a new combat.

And that's all I got that's new! So you can go runtelldat.

No BB for Tau... but that makes sense. Taudar lists got some shaft, as Centurion stars now rely on Loth or Mantis Warriors Libs. I'd like to see them as the kings of Allies of Convenience.

That throne belongs to IG and I doubt they will be giving it up. There is a fluff reason for IG to ally with every faction. Not so with everyone else.

**Samurai_Eduh**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Samurai_Eduh wrote:
Any help for the work blocked?

http://talkwargaming.blogspot.com/2014/05/news-daemonology-leaked.html

Thank you, sir!