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 Gargskull wrote:
Any pics of this super duper edition?

Here you go:

 Wayshuba wrote:

Rick_1138 wrote:
TBF to the munitorum edition, you get the counters and psychic cards and the separate art book included so its not THAT much of a rip off, the Ltd Ed tax is on top but its not crazy mental.

And I like Collectors eds so im happy its not just a slip case!

So you also get a Visions magazine with hardcover ($50), cards ($8) and counters ($15). So, bought separately it would be $158. So you only have a $182 "tax" for the collector's edition.

Completely and utterly a rip off.

Yeah, I'm failing to understand what the WOW factor of the Munitorum is supposed to be. Is it just the big case that everything is housed in?

 Vector Strike wrote:


Yes, the old glancing technique will remain. But nowadays a S7 weapon is more than enough to destroy a vehicle in one shot, freeing other S6-7 to hit another stuff. With the new rules, people will need to sacrifice more firepower of that kind to deplete a vehicle from its HPs. Unless they bring more powerful weapons, reducing the number of aforementioned weapons.

The big issue is that such weapons didn't rely on explodes results in the first place, they were a happy surprise but never the primary kill method. Their primary kill method (HP kills) already required *way* fewer average shots to kill a tank than trying to go for Explodes results, which were largely "happy accidents" more than anything else. Meanwhile the heavier AT guns that aimed to try for Explodes results lose more of their effectiveness by comparison, a lot more. Both weapons are less effective, but the higher S, lower AP guns are hit harder than the lower S, higher AP weapons with greater rates of fire.

 Accolade wrote:

 Wayshuba wrote:

Rick_1138 wrote:
TBF to the munitorum edition, you get the counters and psychic cards and the separate art book included so its not THAT much of a rip off, the Ltd Ed tax is on top but its not crazy mental.

And I like Collectors eds so im happy its not just a slip case!

So you also get a Visions magazine with hardcover ($50), cards ($8) and counters ($15). So, bought separately it would be $158. So you only have a $182 "tax" for the collector's edition.

Completely and utterly a rip off.

Yeah, I'm failing to understand what the WOW factor of the Munitorum is supposed to be. Is it just the big case that everything is housed in?

The extra stuff plus the box, plus those objective markers.

Even if I had the money it doesn't really come across as being worth THAT much to me.

I'd buy the objective markers if they were a separate thing, but there's no way I'll spring for the LE box, especially as it'll lose all residual value in a couple of years.

It comes with a hard bound mini rule book instead of the codex-sized one.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Snapshots being -2 BS instead of outright BS1 lends credence to the idea that overwatch may require some kind of test now. It's simply too powerful now without something to reign it in.

Only if you have BS4 or over to begin with. My Tau have not changed one bit except for Commanders/Tanks.

Making us take a test (be it initiative or leadership, which I think are the most likely if a test were to be involved) before we get to fire overwatch which is no more effective than it was before is stupid. It's stupid because it will not affect the armies who have a better ballistic skill (ie Space Marines, Eldar, Dark Eldar) as badly due to their on average higher LD and initiative values.

 azreal13 wrote:
I'd buy the objective markers if they were a separate thing, but there's no way I'll spring for the LE box, especially as it'll lose all residual value in a couple of years.

I am hoping that a set of markers like those will be released along with the dice and templates next week.


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 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Snapshots being -2 BS instead of outright BS1 lends credence to the idea that overwatch may require some kind of test now. It's simply too powerful now without something to reign it in.

Only if you have BS4 or over to begin with. My Tau have not changed one bit except for Commanders/Tanks.

Making us take a test (be it initiative or leadership, which I think are the most likely if a test were to be involved) before we get to fire overwatch which is no more effective than it was before is stupid. It's stupid because it will not affect the armies who are already better at shooting (ie Space Marines, Eldar, Dark Eldar) as badly due to their on average higher LD and initiative values.

It's not stupid because it will help armies like tyranids and orks who were failing charges due to overwatch wounds in 6 th. Heavy shooting armies like tau and IG don't need any help - they dominate.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
It comes with a hard bound mini rule book instead of the codex-sized one.

That makes it tempting.

Not tempting enough for that pice point, mind you, but tempting...

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Snapshots being -2 BS instead of outright BS1 lends credence to the idea that overwatch may require some kind of test now. It's simply too powerful now without something to reign it in.

Only if you have BS4 or over to begin with. My Tau have not changed one bit except for Commanders/Tanks.

Making us take a test (be it initiative or leadership, which I think are the most likely if a test were to be involved) before we get to fire overwatch which is no more effective than it was before is stupid. It's stupid because it will not affect the armies who have better ballistic skill (ie Space Marines, Eldar, Dark Eldar) as badly due to their on average higher LD and initiative values.

It's not stupid because it will help armies like tyranids and orks who were failing charges due to overwatch wounds in 6 th. Heavy shooting armies like tau and IG don't need any help - they dominate.

How will it help them? Armies who have higher BS will now be killing more Ork and Tyranid models in overwatch than they were before, due to them firing ballistic skill 2+.

The problem that Orks and Tyranids had against Tau and IG wasn't overwatch. It was being massacred before they ever got into range for overwatch to be thought about.

 insaniak wrote:
Wound allocation still from the front makes sad panda.

I disagree, front-first removal was one of my favorite changes.

I'm just curious, would you rather go back to 'owner chooses' or have some other system of removal (random for example)? I though the elimination of wound shenanigans based around differently equipped models was a great change.

Maybe the best compromise would be allow the owner to choose which model, but once a wound is allocated all others need to go to that model.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
It comes with a hard bound mini rule book instead of the codex-sized one.

Instead or in addition? It looks like you still get the three big books but with different covers?

Wont the rulebook be sold separately?

either ebay has to deliver or there wont be a book for me :S

SlyasR wrote:
Wont the rulebook be sold separately?

either ebay has to deliver or there wont be a book for me :S

Nope, it comes in a set with the fluff and hobby books, unfortunately...

SlyasR wrote:
Wont the rulebook be sold separately?

either ebay has to deliver or there wont be a book for me :S

Eventually. I think its timeline will be determined by the amount of sales of the 7th at release (particularly for the digital rules-only edition).

 streamdragon wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
It comes with a hard bound mini rule book instead of the codex-sized one.

Instead or in addition? It looks like you still get the three big books but with different covers?

Instead of. The 3 bigger books are hobby, fluff, and dark visions

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Snapshots being -2 BS instead of outright BS1 lends credence to the idea that overwatch may require some kind of test now. It's simply too powerful now without something to reign it in.

Only if you have BS4 or over to begin with. My Tau have not changed one bit except for Commanders/Tanks.

Making us take a test (be it initiative or leadership, which I think are the most likely if a test were to be involved) before we get to fire overwatch which is no more effective than it was before is stupid. It's stupid because it will not affect the armies who have a better ballistic skill (ie Space Marines, Eldar, Dark Eldar) as badly due to their on average higher LD and initiative values.

In every edition GW perceives a problem they created in the previous edition and adds a fix that fails to work properly because it has an unintended side effect.

I am afraid that is just a rule of GW's game development process.

Is there a confirmed £££ price for that box or just guesses?

 Wayshuba wrote:

Rick_1138 wrote:
TBF to the munitorum edition, you get the counters and psychic cards and the separate art book included so its not THAT much of a rip off, the Ltd Ed tax is on top but its not crazy mental.

And I like Collectors eds so im happy its not just a slip case!

So you also get a Visions magazine with hardcover ($50), cards ($8) and counters ($15). So, bought separately it would be $158. So you only have a $182 "tax" for the collector's edition.

Completely and utterly a rip off.

Visions isn't worth $5 with a soft cover. Who in their right mind would pay $50 for visions with a hard cover? Unless it was signed by the team or something.

I missed the snap shots at -2 BS thing, is that confirmed? this thread moves too fast for me to keep up with sometimes!

BeeCee wrote:
I missed the snap shots at -2 BS thing, is that confirmed? this thread moves too fast for me to keep up with sometimes!

I demand you go comb through all 175 pages, young man/lady!

(There has been no picture or other proof confirming the -2BS thing, just a few reps telling people stuff the remember, IIRC.)

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Gargskull wrote:
Any pics of this super duper edition?

Here you go:

Ta.

Well it's certainly a pretty box.

Thanks Kronk!

you are essentially paying 140 quid just for the bling. I'll see you around in 2016 for the 7th ed LE box

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 buddha wrote:
I'm realizing in horror that with the new objective secured rule eldar jetbikes just officially became the best troop choices in the game.

White Scars being a close second.

Ravenwing would like a word with you.

 Kosake wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't find another angle on these minis on the GW website, but this is from the most recent video. Is this a new model:

Nope, thats a normal ork boy with the rokkit launcha pointing directly at you. It's got its "blast shield" attached. I think you find the thing in the loota/burna-box.

Head and rokkit launcha is from the loota/burna box as well. You can attach a face guard with a slit for the cigar to the headdress he is wearing. The rokkit launcha is meant for the mek in that box, but I guess you can give it to one of the burna/loota bodies (identical to bodies from the boyz box). He probably built it from the spare bits after building 4 lootaz or burnaz without the mek.

It does make you kind of wonder exactly who GW thinks this market is made up of anymore when they release an edition of miniature game rules for $340?

I just can't fathom what planet they are living on over there in Nottingham.

Compare this LE 7th Ed rule book £200 (335) to the CE Forge World Horus Heresy package for £145 ($243). I don't think it's worth it, but that's just me.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Gargskull wrote:
Any pics of this super duper edition?

Here you go:

Hard to read, but I read you get a poster (galaxy map), the 3 book set, exclusive metal markers, exclusive artwork card sets, reference cards, box, not sure about the small book there...

Maybe, just guessing, maybe (exclusive?) dice, tape measure, and templates too? Can't read that blurry scan.....

 Wayshuba wrote:
It does make you kind of wonder exactly who GW thinks this market is made up of anymore when they release an edition of miniature game rules for $340?

I just can't fathom what planet they are living on over there in Nottingham.

Well it's printed in such a low number (half the previous LE rulebook release) that they must be targeting the absolute most die-hard of customers.

I just don't think such a massive price tag with little in the way of additionals is a nice way of saying "thank-you" to your best customers.