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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Funny how a new codex after 2 years draws so much ire, where as an iPhone that has a new version every few months that costs about 4 time as much is always met with applause from the masses...

Last I checked (and I did spend 12 years selling the things) a new model of phone didn't make it much harder for your pre-existing model to function.

In fact, I've owned phones that were superseded by a new model while I was using them, and I'm certain they carried on working just fine.

If you want to draw a comparison, try imagining the backlash if Microsoft released a new version of Windows after two years, and dropped support overnight for previous editions.

Holy gak snacks, $400CAD for the limited edition? Even worse than I thought it was going to be.

I'm having a hard time stomaching the $100 for the basic rulebook.

GW really is just seeing how much people will pay for a few fancy shinies and a limited number on the cover.

Absurd.

 azreal13 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Funny how a new codex after 2 years draws so much ire, where as an iPhone that has a new version every few months that costs about 4 time as much is always met with applause from the masses...

Last I checked (and I did spend 12 years selling the things) a new model of phone didn't make it much harder for your pre-existing model to function.

In fact, I've owned phones that were superseded by a new model while I was using them, and I'm certain they carried on working just fine.

If you want to draw a comparison, try imagining the backlash if Microsoft released a new version of Windows after two years, and dropped support overnight for previous editions.

Or say, when the iPhone 5 came out, you couldn't make calls on your iPhone 4 anymore.

 Bull0 wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Funny how a new codex after 2 years draws so much ire, where as an iPhone that has a new version every few months that costs about 4 time as much is always met with applause from the masses...

Last I checked (and I did spend 12 years selling the things) a new model of phone didn't make it much harder for your pre-existing model to function.

In fact, I've owned phones that were superseded by a new model while I was using them, and I'm certain they carried on working just fine.

If you want to draw a comparison, try imagining the backlash if Microsoft released a new version of Windows after two years, and dropped support overnight for previous editions.

Or say, when the iPhone 5 came out, you couldn't make calls on your iPhone 4 anymore.

Technically we can all stay playing 6th edition if we want...

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Funny how a new codex after 2 years draws so much ire, where as an iPhone that has a new version every few months that costs about 4 time as much is always met with applause from the masses...

You still seem to be having problems with the idea that there are more than just You and EveryoneElseHivemind on this planet. Some people can and will be irritated by and complain about both. Some of us, shock horror, don't even own Apple products for exactly that reason(among others).

 Bull0 wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Funny how a new codex after 2 years draws so much ire, where as an iPhone that has a new version every few months that costs about 4 time as much is always met with applause from the masses...

Last I checked (and I did spend 12 years selling the things) a new model of phone didn't make it much harder for your pre-existing model to function.

In fact, I've owned phones that were superseded by a new model while I was using them, and I'm certain they carried on working just fine.

If you want to draw a comparison, try imagining the backlash if Microsoft released a new version of Windows after two years, and dropped support overnight for previous editions.

Or say, when the iPhone 5 came out, you couldn't make calls on your iPhone 4 anymore.

So you're saying theres no one out there that plays the old editions anymore? Its physically impossible for them to do so now? Just like you're unable to make calls on your old iPhone?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Funny how a new codex after 2 years draws so much ire, where as an iPhone that has a new version every few months that costs about 4 time as much is always met with applause from the masses...

Are you the guy that made the crazy iphone comparison 20 pages earlier in this thread that was disproven as an incredibly bad comparison? Or did you also make the xbox live comparison that was so ridiculous it was mod-banned and pruned from the thread? Both were like comparing apples to volkswagons. Feel free to compare gaming books (whether virtual or physical) to... you know... gaming books or at worst books in general that are updated traditionally every 4-5 years.

*Edit* Not worth it.

Awful comparison is awful.

 warboss wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Funny how a new codex after 2 years draws so much ire, where as an iPhone that has a new version every few months that costs about 4 time as much is always met with applause from the masses...

Are you the guy that made the crazy iphone comparison 20 pages earlier in this thread that was disproven as an incredibly bad comparison? Or did you also make the xbox live comparison? Both were like comparing apples to volkswagons. Feel free to compare gaming books (whether virtual or physical) to... you know... gaming books or at worst books in general that are updated traditionally every 4-5 years.

I made neither

But unsure because its a different medium that makes it any more less valid. There are constatnly updates to certain systems, be it software, games (video or physical), hardware etc to varying degrees of update timeframes. 2 years for a paperback? Its fast for a paperback, and apparently traditionally fast for 40k. Its also 10 dollars more, usually upgrades are more expensive than what preceded it. I'm still how a new version invalidates an old version based on the time frame, people still play old versions even if they're un supported all the time

damn, i was really hoping to see that rumored terminator web-store exclusive mini

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Funny how a new codex after 2 years draws so much ire, where as an iPhone that has a new version every few months that costs about 4 time as much is always met with applause from the masses...

Last I checked (and I did spend 12 years selling the things) a new model of phone didn't make it much harder for your pre-existing model to function.

In fact, I've owned phones that were superseded by a new model while I was using them, and I'm certain they carried on working just fine.

If you want to draw a comparison, try imagining the backlash if Microsoft released a new version of Windows after two years, and dropped support overnight for previous editions.

Or say, when the iPhone 5 came out, you couldn't make calls on your iPhone 4 anymore.

So you're saying theres no one out there that plays the old editions anymore? Its physically impossible for them to do so now? Just like you're unable to make calls on your old iPhone?

No, hence my very specific choice of "much harder" rather than impossible.

FFS.

Apple, MS and GW all suck. Talk about the freakin' new edition. Sick of having to scroll through this bs just to read someones opinion about 7th, which what the thread is about. Have you nothing bettet todo that fill pointless egos!?

 Blacksails wrote:
Holy gak snacks, $400CAD for the limited edition? Even worse than I thought it was going to be.

I'm having a hard time stomaching the $100 for the basic rulebook.

GW really is just seeing how much people will pay for a few fancy shinies and a limited number on the cover.

Absurd.

Yeah it's starting to seem like toys for the 1%. I can already hear the "anti-whiner" brigade reminding me that no one is forcing me to blah blah blah

 Crablezworth wrote:


Yeah it's starting to seem like toys for 1%. I can already hear the accusatory whiner brigade reminding me that no one is forcing me to blah blah blah

You mean the Dakka Casual Gaming Mafia, right?

lol you're too fast. I had already edited it. But ya, those guys.

I don't understand why you're complaining about the price on the collector's edition.

No matter what you're looking at, those kinds of things are always stupidly expensive and give very little "back" to the person buying them.

It's $108 USD for the rules, psyker cards, and objective cards. Still expensive...but not stupidly expensive.

 eskimo wrote:
FFS.

Apple, MS and GW all suck. Talk about the freakin' new edition. Sick of having to scroll through this bs just to read someones opinion about 7th, which what the thread is about. Have you nothing bettet todo that fill pointless egos!?

The irony is strong with this one!

 Crablezworth wrote:
lol you're too fast.

I've heard that before.

 Crablezworth wrote:


Yeah it's starting to seem like toys for the 1%. I can already hear the "anti-whiner" brigade reminding me that no one is forcing me to blah blah blah

Dont think 40k was ever advertised as "cheap and affordable"

 Bull0 wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Funny how a new codex after 2 years draws so much ire, where as an iPhone that has a new version every few months that costs about 4 time as much is always met with applause from the masses...

Last I checked (and I did spend 12 years selling the things) a new model of phone didn't make it much harder for your pre-existing model to function.

In fact, I've owned phones that were superseded by a new model while I was using them, and I'm certain they carried on working just fine.

If you want to draw a comparison, try imagining the backlash if Microsoft released a new version of Windows after two years, and dropped support overnight for previous editions.

Or say, when the iPhone 5 came out, you couldn't make calls on your iPhone 4 anymore.

Imagine, then, that a month after the iPhone came out then there was a pretty good chance the people you were phoning had the new iPhone, and you could no longer speak to them?

I think that's probably closer to the mark. If you turn up at a club for a random PUG in 2 months time, how many of those players are going to be using 6th edition? You've got a nice weighty book on the book shelf, full of lovely background and art. But, in that regard it's probably 95% similar to the rulesbooks from 3rd, 4th and 5th editions, sat next to it.

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Dont think 40k was ever advertised as "cheap and affordable"

There are scales of cost/value, however. Relatively, 40k is much more expensive than it was a few editions ago. It's more expensive than pretty much every game on the market, unless you're into mixing wargaming with LARP and need to buy a horse.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't understand why you're complaining about the price on the collector's edition.

No matter what you're looking at, those kinds of things are always stupidly expensive and give very little "back" to the person buying them.

It's $108 USD for the rules, psyker cards, and objective cards. Still expensive...but not stupidly expensive.

I'd suggest that people are complaining because GW don't really know where the line between sharp pricing but just about reasonable for the extra shiny is, and painful gouging.

Plus, and I hate you for making me say this, people are entitled to hold and express any opinion they like.


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:


Yeah it's starting to seem like toys for the 1%. I can already hear the "anti-whiner" brigade reminding me that no one is forcing me to blah blah blah

Dont think 40k was ever advertised.

FTFY

Historically it WAS at least more accessible though.

 azreal13 wrote:


Plus, and I hate you for making me say this, people are entitled to hold and express any opinion they like.

Argh, you killed the discussion!

 azreal13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't understand why you're complaining about the price on the collector's edition.

No matter what you're looking at, those kinds of things are always stupidly expensive and give very little "back" to the person buying them.

It's $108 USD for the rules, psyker cards, and objective cards. Still expensive...but not stupidly expensive.

I'd suggest that people are complaining because GW don't really know where the line between sharp pricing but just about reasonable for the extra shiny is, and painful gouging.

I'd counter that suggestion with the statement of "nobody knows" how best to do that.

Video games are just as bad as GW for these "collector's editions"...

Plus, and I hate you for making me say this, people are entitled to hold and express any opinion they like.

Fair enough, I just find it silly that people are somehow surprised that the collector's edition is both stupidly expensive and not really going to give you anything unique.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't understand why you're complaining about the price on the collector's edition.

No matter what you're looking at, those kinds of things are always stupidly expensive and give very little "back" to the person buying them.

It's $108 USD for the rules, psyker cards, and objective cards. Still expensive...but not stupidly expensive.

I'd suggest that people are complaining because GW don't really know where the line between sharp pricing but just about reasonable for the extra shiny is, and painful gouging.

I'd counter that suggestion with the statement of "nobody knows" how best to do that.

Video games are just as bad as GW for these "collector's editions"...

Plus, and I hate you for making me say this, people are entitled to hold and express any opinion they like.

Fair enough, I just find it silly that people are somehow surprised that the collector's edition is both stupidly expensive and not really going to give you anything unique.

I've seen plenty of steel book movies, video games etc with collector editions that are maybe 50-100% more than the standard, I look at them and think "there's nothing about that product that justifies it's price to me." I see the Munitorum Edition and I think "HOLY fething HELL, HOW MUCH FOR THAT gak??!"

Seems others, from my perspective, are at least aware of roughly where the line hangs out.

 Blacksails wrote:

 Crablezworth wrote:


Yeah it's starting to seem like toys for 1%. I can already hear the accusatory whiner brigade reminding me that no one is forcing me to blah blah blah

You mean the Dakka Casual Gaming Mafia, right?

Have an exalt because we all need people to come along and:
a) tell us to stop whining, even when noone seems to be doing so by definition.
b) tell us noone is forcing us to...whatever.
c) tell us that if we don't like it, quit.

Because any one of these will most definitely not cause an argument at all. uh uh. no way.

Two of the most used words on this entire forum are "whine" and "hate". It's gotten to the point where I'm becoming blind to the words and they get sort of fuzzy on the screen when someone types them.

My "concerns" with the rumors (though I'm happy to wait and read the actual rules before I "whine"):
1. As a Tau player, having zero access to BB psychic backup means I'll just sit and take models off during both the psychic AND the assault phases..wheeeee, fun game.
2. Not a big fan of extra book-keeping during the game ala mission cards.
3. Not a big fan of slowing down the game at all (regardless of how you play it)....more complicated does not mean better rules writing.
4. Jink rules seem random; as rules for vehicles stand now, some will actually benefit while others are made nearly worthless.
5. Overwatch buff seems interesting but I don't think it should be a poor man's skyfire. There are dedicated anti-air units for a reason and small-arms fire doesn't usually take down hypersonic aircraft even in sci-fi books/movies.

Before someone zeroes in on the above, note that I said that I'm actually happy to wait and read the rules, I'm simply expressing my concerns based upon the current rumors.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Fair enough, I just find it silly that people are somehow surprised that the collector's edition is both stupidly expensive and not really going to give you anything unique.

I'm surprised they didn't release a mid-level edition with fancy covers and an alternate slipcase priced at about £100, only having the vanilla version and the Munitorium versions seems like a missed opportunity.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't understand why you're complaining about the price on the collector's edition.

No matter what you're looking at, those kinds of things are always stupidly expensive and give very little "back" to the person buying them.

Actually I bought the 5th edition Gamer's edition.

Does anyone remember it?

It was just 40 pounds or so above rulebook price, and for it you got a munitorum METAL (!) box in cadian green, with foam inlay, and an exclusive set of templates and markers in green.


EDIT:

here it is and it was just 90 us dollars including hardback rulebook:



this was back when GW was affordable.

To try and kick the direction of the thread more back towards topic, is everyone unable to see a pre-order/preview of the itunes version, or do I need to clear out a cache or something?

 azreal13 wrote:
No, hence my very specific choice of "much harder" rather than impossible.

And (although this is stupid) I chose my words because in this comparison you can only use your iPhone 4 to call other people who still have the iPhone 4!

 vadersson wrote:
The Black Library has the preorder up for the eBook. $59.99 US?!?! Sigh, for that price I may just get the hardback.

I know the pre-order thing has already been covered to death in this thread, but why on earth would anyone pre-order a digital copy of something? I can understand placing a pre-order for a physical item if you're worried about getting a copy guaranteed when the store opens. However, a pre-order on digital goods that have no real scarcity issues just seems like lunacy to me.