Drakmord wrote:
Heh, I just noticed that snippet on the ally matrix picture about Dante and the Silent King.

 azreal13 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
Really, two pages and nobody did this?

Spoiler:

Tsk, shame on you!

Beat me too it!

That's what I get for playing video games instead of obsessively refreshing the page I suppose.

Lol, I've been painting and watching TV.

You Yanks just don't have the innate good timing of the British is all!

Tell you what, when it gets reported to Photobucket tomorrow and taken down, you can out up the next version.

Spoiler:

 Happygrunt wrote:
This ally chart makes me very happy WITH THE EXCEPTION of it 86ing traitor guard. Guard should have had it's own box so Tau and Chaos could get them as allies. Other than that, it is a good chart.

 azreal13 wrote:
Really, two pages and nobody did this?



Tsk, shame on you!

-Sanctic:
Primaris – Banishment -> anti-demon (-1 invuln)
Gate of Infinity
Hammerhand
Str D Vortex.
Sanctuary, iirc makes demon within 12″ all move through difficult terrain.
Cleansing Flame (some nova)
One more spell, you target an opponent, both roll dice and add to ld, if you’re higher than him, he auto losses a W, no saves.

-Precision shot is a USR now, so guards need 6s to do precision after that Order.

-Str D now only ignores all saves on a six. If not a six, the Str D weapon profile’s AP is followed. Str D is also assumed to be S10, so T6+ will be safe from ID.

-Deny the Witch for passive spells, like blessings are denied on a six. However offensive/directed/maledictions spells that target you, is a different matter, your DTW rolls can be improved by brother ofpsyker +1, psyker mastery level being higher than the offensive caster+1 and adamantium will +1. So you could technically go up to a 3+ dtw against offensive powers.

-Smash, only one attack. rest of it same.

-Vector Strike. 1A only unless against a flier -then D3, AP2 Ignore Cover.

-Ignore Cover – No change.

-ICs cannot be in the same unit as a MC anymore.

-Telepathy Powers Invisisbilty – makes others snapfire at you. Shrouding – gives you shrouded only.

Prescience is still a Primaris

- mc's cant be joined by ICs, flying MCs cannot charge the turn they change flight mode

-Jump infantry now can use the jumpack both in movement and assault phases. Also it has jink.

>Snapshots are at BS1

>Psyker's level, Adamantium Will... only affect dispelling attempt when you are targeted by the power, dispelling Blessing requires natural rolls of 6

>Chariots now gives Relentless to the passenger, their rules were totally reworked so that they are more of a single entity with their passenger.

>Perils table, only a third is a real issue and a decent leadership severely diminish its impact. worse, one effect turns your psyker into superman for a turn. Another drains psychic dice for both players.

>Most Perils are a leadership test, with different results for success and failure, most of the better successes are lose a wound or hull point, best one gives you 3++ and possibly Smash, Armorbane, and Fleshbane until the start of the next Psychic Phase

>Imperial forces are all Battle Brothers with each other, non-Imperial seems to have made out relatively worse

>Battle Brothers share basically everything, Powers, abilities, transports, Warlord traits, Reserve altering effects.

>Sisters are acknowledged as an Imperial faction in the book (Including for whiners)

>Immobilized Flyers now have a chance to Crash and Burn

>Old Aquila Lander crash scenery has rules

>Gate of Infinity is now a Sanctic power, another is a strength D Vortex, most of the Grey Knight powers might be included as well

>Now when you activate a Force Weapon, you active all of them in a unit

>Chariot rider may not be able to disembark

>Missile Lock apparently effects more than just Blasts now

>To Deny the Witch you must match your opponent's number of successes, number you have to roll is a 6, having a higher Mastery Level Psyker in the unit dispelling, Adamantium Will, or being within range of a Psychic Hood each give you +1 to your roll, again except for dispelling Blessings

>Defending player apparently gets to choose how hits are allocated between passenger and Chariot

 xttz wrote:
From /tg/

No proof with it though:

-Sanctic:
Primaris – Banishment -> anti-demon (-1 invuln)
Gate of Infinity
Hammerhand
Str D Vortex.
Sanctuary, iirc makes demon within 12″ all move through difficult terrain.
Cleansing Flame (some nova)
One more spell, you target an opponent, both roll dice and add to ld, if you’re higher than him, he auto losses a W, no saves.

-Precision shot is a USR now, so guards need 6s to do precision after that Order.

-Str D now only ignores all saves on a six. If not a six, the Str D weapon profile’s AP is followed. Str D is also assumed to be S10, so T6+ will be safe from ID.

-Deny the Witch for passive spells, like blessings are denied on a six. However offensive/directed/maledictions spells that target you, is a different matter, your DTW rolls can be improved by brother ofpsyker +1, psyker mastery level being higher than the offensive caster+1 and adamantium will +1. So you could technically go up to a 3+ dtw against offensive powers.

-Smash, only one attack. rest of it same.

-Vector Strike. 1A only unless against a flier -then D3, AP2 Ignore Cover.

-Ignore Cover – No change.

-ICs cannot be in the same unit as a MC anymore.

-Telepathy Powers Invisisbilty – makes others snapfire at you. Shrouding – gives you shrouded only.

Prescience is still a Primaris

- mc's cant be joined by ICs, flying MCs cannot charge the turn they change flight mode

-Jump infantry now can use the jumpack both in movement and assault phases. Also it has jink.

-Jump infantry now can use the jumpack both in movement and assault phases. Also it has jink.

 Vector Strike wrote:

coredump wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
I suspect summoned daemons will be held akin to any allies relationships they have on the chart, so bringing in a unit can cause them to roll on the "one eye open" rule as well as suffer any scoring penalties for not being buddies (if any such penalties still exist)

Further, the bigger picture here is that all armies are BB with their own faction - we have seen the army list page that says you may take as many detachments in a battle forged army as you like.

Think for a second -- 2x hive tyrant, 2x gaunt units, then ally detachments of 1 tyrant and 1 gaunt unit until your points are full. Bam! Battle forged.

Unbound will be accepted because in the end it will be no worse than legal battle forged forces.

Not so fast there sparky....

The Allied Detachment FOC specifically states it must be from a different faction. Further, while you can take multiple detachments, we don't know if you can take multiple allied detachments, or multiple combined armes detachments....

Is there any rule regarding supplements? Should I treat Farsight Enclaves as Tau faction, adding a normal Detachment instead of the Allies' one?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Rofl Dreadknights with teleporters get a jink? Or Riptides for that matter ick

 Vector Strike wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Rofl Dreadknights with teleporters get a jink? Or Riptides for that matter ick

Riptides are Jet Pack. Now, Wraithknights are Jump. Lucky us Jump Monstrous Creatures don't get it... do they?

 Vaktathi wrote:
Jump infantry get Jink and get to use jumppacks in both phases?

It would seem there would be *zero* point to using tac's and equivalents after that, especially given how Assault Marines/Raptors are like 2ppm more.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Jump infantry get Jink and get to use jumppacks in both phases?

It would seem there would be *zero* point to using tac's and equivalents after that, especially given how Assault Marines/Raptors are like 2ppm more.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Vector Strike wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Rofl Dreadknights with teleporters get a jink? Or Riptides for that matter ick

Riptides are Jet Pack. Now, Wraithknights are Jump. Lucky us Jump Monstrous Creatures don't get it... do they?

Well it says they act as Jump Infantry for movement purposes....maybe?

clively wrote:
Does Come the Apocalypse still mean that you can't drop those armies on the table together?

If so, how long until we see a question in YMDC about what happens when a marine summons a blood thirster? In other words, is the blood thirster considered to be part of the Armies of the Imperium for all rule purposes (I just had to put that in there) OR is it a part of the Daemon faction and therefore can't be part of the army?

If the latter, it seems like the blood thirster would have to be immediately removed from play otherwise the game implodes....