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bodazoka wrote:
You seem to be reading too much into what I am asking.

Or maybe you're just not being clear enough.

bodazoka wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
I haven't bought a model or played 40K in two years and I still participate in GW relate threads on 40K.

Well clearly we're doing it wrong puma. We have to leave and never talk about it ever again, and never speak to anyone who still does speak about it, because apparently 40K is now scientology.

That is obviously not what I meant.

I just don't get people who spend allot of time here on something that frustrates them so much.

It is probably because (for me at least) I love what the game used to be. I love the 40K universe, I love the camaraderie from large-scale events and local gaming clubs, I love the close battles and the late nights reading through codices trying to figure out what my next list should be.

There are so many things I could list about what I love about 40K. But the greed from GW and their disdain for their customers has overwhelmed all those feelings. Now, when I think of 40K, I get that excited feeling about flipping through new rules and planning my next strategy, but then my heart sinks and I get a pang of sickness in my stomach as I realize what the hobby has become for me. I guess you could call me jaded and maybe reading through the brings me a bit of hopefulness about the hobby. But there is a also an underlying feeling of schedenfreude that has, no doubt, come from my resentment toward GW.

It's funny explaining all this about a game of toy soldiers, but 40K has been a part of my life for 20ish years so to just let it go without a fight is difficult. But then, eventually, you come to the realization that the fight is futile and they don't care that you care so much about what they've created. All you are is dollar signs to them. That is when the love of the game evaporates and all you have left is fuzzy memories.

 puma713 wrote:
It is probably because (for me at least) I love what the game used to be. I love the 40K universe, I love the camaraderie from large-scale events and local gaming clubs, I love the close battles and the late nights reading through codices trying to figure out what my next list should be.

There are so many things I could list about what I love about 40K. But the greed from GW and their disdain for their customers has overwhelmed all those feelings. Now, when I think of 40K, I get that excited feeling about flipping through new rules and planning my next strategy, but then my heart sinks and I get a pang of sickness in my stomach as I realize what the hobby has become for me. I guess you could call me jaded and maybe reading through the brings me a bit of hopefulness about the hobby. But there is a also an underlying feeling of schedenfreude that has, no doubt, come from my resentment toward GW.

It's funny explaining all this about a game of toy soldiers, but 40K has been a part of my life for 20ish years so to just let it go without a fight is difficult. But then, eventually, you come to the realization that the fight is futile and they don't care that you care so much about what they've created. All you are is dollar signs to them. That is when the love of the game evaporates and all you have left is fuzzy memories.

Thank you for taking the time out to respond, I appreciate your view and it helps understand where you are coming from. I can certainly see you are not just a GW hating troll! haha

I think for me.. I missed allot of price hikes, missed CnD letters, missed what some department head said in a trial once etc.. and got into 40K at the beginning of 6th. All I have known are the prices as they are, flyers, D weapons, fortifications, massive release schedules etc.. so maybe I don't have the amount of disappointment that seems to have come from the past? Give me 20 years in the hobby though and we might see eye to eye lol.

Well the thread has turned into a "I quit thread" guess its run its course then?

I've also been playing since '91. I've grown up with this game and it (kind of embarrassingly) hurts to see it fall to what it's becoming. What I want is for GW to stop acting like incompetent villains from a children's movie about the "evil corporation" and get back to making a game they love. When the rules are dictated by corporate suits that have nothing but disdain for the gamers, you're not going to get the best game out of it.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well the thread has turned into a "I quit thread" guess its run its course then?

No, I just think everyone is waiting for MarkyMark to wake up!

I remember when folks said the same things about people who didn't like 8th ed fantasy - that they should go away and stop playing and posting if they didn't like the game. People listened and did go away.... Lots of people went away.

So be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. A person posting about a game, even if unhappy about it, is at least still connected, and might come back in time, but a person told to go away is more likely to just stay away.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I've also been playing since '91. I've grown up with this game and it (kind of embarrassingly) hurts to see it fall to what it's becoming. What I want is for GW to stop acting like incompetent villains from a children's movie about the "evil corporation" and get back to making a game they love. When the rules are dictated by corporate suits that have nothing but disdain for the gamers, you're not going to get the best game out of it.

Same boat here, speaking for "length of service". It's such a shame.

 puma713 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well the thread has turned into a "I quit thread" guess its run its course then?

No, I just think everyone is waiting for MarkyMark to wake up!

As much as more rage and dissapointment is entertaining to see...meh

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well the thread has turned into a "I quit thread" guess its run its course then?

OR there's a major vacuum of leaks.

I'm nabbing up "classic" models off eBay right now and looking for good deals to make a small BA army. My Eldar and BA will be labors of love down the road in years to come, probably. I have a ton of models squirreled away from many game lines (and just plain collectible ones), but my GW budget will be cut off as soon as I get my metal BA heroes.

And while going down a dark, DARK hole on ebay, I realize how broke I'd have been if I was wargaming during the time Rackham came out. GW was not making the best models out there in the 2000s with those guys floating around. Astoundingly gorgeous.

 Maddermax wrote:
A person posting about a game, even if unhappy about it, is at least still connected, and might come back in time...

Like I did, with 6th ed, all those many many many (READ: 2) years ago.

 puma713 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Well the thread has turned into a "I quit thread" guess its run its course then?

No, I just think everyone is waiting for MarkyMark to wake up!

Lololol


Ok, so the banshees in raider, if its a DT you cannot deploy in there, the restriction that only units that bought the DT can deploy in there is still there. But yes BB's can embark on allied transports.

Hollismason. No if you peril you resolve the perils stright away, the sequence is this.
Select psyker and power
Delcare target
Take pyshic test (this is where you can peril)
Deny the witch
Resolve power.

So if you peril and die you wont get the chance to resolve the power.


Here is the quote from page 24 for the pyshic powers

No unit can attempt to manifest the same psyhic power more then once per phase
&
Under pysker and psychic power (in the sequence table)
..... select a psyhic power known to the selected unit that the unit has not already attempted to manifest in this psychic phase.

How about selecting psychic powers? Can a mastery lvl 1 psyker take a mastery lvl 2 power?

Also, is the rumor of getting the primaris free for rolling all powers on the same discipline true?

Yes they can.

Also, conjured units are scoring unless otherwise noted.

So much for me getting my hands on a copy of the rules... GW is all out. Just tried to check-out and the computer advised me the product is no longer available...

Can you assault from Outflank? Can you assault from transports (stationary or otherwise)?

Skilled rider and hit and run are the same. (skilled rider still adds +1 to jink save only).

Ok, think this will cover the conjured units and allies

The allies matrix shows the levels of alliance between units that have different factions in the same army.

Thats all I can find so far

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Can you assault from Outflank? Can you assault from transports (stationary or otherwise)?

Think he already said only assault transports

I feel like an old friend and I are slowly drifting apart. We try to get together but it just never seems to work out. Then one day we haven't talked in years and I always wonder what happened to them.

I've played 40k since 1998 or so, I have several very large armies and huge conversion projects used to get me pumped to try new things out and look forward to the next game.

I haven't even played a 6e game and have no desire to buy 7e at all. None of my armies interest me and there's no drive to play. I love 40k, it will always be my first wargame and I'll always fondly remember the many hours spent rolling dice. I hope 40k survives and improves one day so I can jump back in but I don't see that happening with GW's current direction.

Until then Warmahordes will get my gaming dollar and actually excite me and get me to look forepaw are to the next game.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Can you assault from Outflank? Can you assault from transports (stationary or otherwise)?

No cannot assault from outflank and can only assault if its a assault vehicle (already answered).


Reading it again, it does look like you can reserve as much as you like. There is now a distincation between rolling for reserves and moving them on. You roll for reserves start of turn then you must move your reserves on first.

Did any of the special rules change?

So you can't even assault out of a stationary vehicle... God damn it...

and he's back! Tell us about the eternal war missions? are they the same?

 BarBoBot wrote:
Did any of the special rules change?

Too many to go through dude. Yes some have changed (the rumoured ones vector jink etc)

Hye Markymark, really graterful for your work!

Earlier you said Dedicated Transports have Infiltrate. So there is no need for Infiltrate unit/ICs to be embarked on to Infiltrate/Outflank the Dedicated Transport?

Someone mentioned earlier that the Jink is a static save now and not modified by movement, is that true?

If I have an Inquisitor in my IG army, can he start in a unit of veterans in a valkyrie (that isnt a dedicated transport) and come on with them when they make their reserve roll?

Or would he have to start on the board and get picked up by the valk when it comes on?

Thanks!

Hi MarkyMark, thanks for doing this.


Is there any limitation to the number of Combined Arms detachments you can take?


Smash Attack, does it replace the attack characterisitc to 1, (so you still get charge bonus attacks etc) or are you limited to one attack total?
Does it have Armorbane? Does it allow a reroll on the Pen die?


Is there any restriction to dedicated transports getting Objective Secured (super scoring) for Battle Forged detachments?

Does Feel No Pain default to 4+ or 5+?

Does Shrouded still give +2 to cover saves?

Getting the Primaris for 'free' if you take only spells from one disciplne. Is that per model, or per detachment, or per army?

Can you still switch for the primaris if you want to?


Thanks a lot.

Are you able to use a Consolidation move to move into base contact with an enemy?

Mark,


A glance takes off a HP, does a Pen take off 2 HP?