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Is stronghold assault a book that currently exists, or is it something they plan on selling us down the line ?

 adamsouza wrote:
Is stronghold assault a book that currently exists, or is it something they plan on selling us down the line ?

It's a book that came out about 9 months ago or so. Most people were claiming it wasn't mandatory and if someone wanted to use it, they can refuse to play them. So now GW incorporated it into the book so it's "official" now. I am sure it will say want to use this, look in the Stronghold book to use it.

Davor wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Is stronghold assault a book that currently exists, or is it something they plan on selling us down the line ?

It's a book that came out about 9 months ago or so. Most people were claiming it wasn't mandatory and if someone wanted to use it, they can refuse to play them. So now GW incorporated it into the book so it's "official" now. I am sure it will say want to use this, look in the Stronghold book to use it.

$33 for 48 pages ? WTF

They through CODEX in front of it, so now it's all official like.

Plus, this way they suckered anyone who bought, or built, fortifications in 6E to buy the book for 7E legal datasheets

Defitnitely a douche move on their part

so you are telling me not a single fortification is in the new rulebook? Not even the ADL?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
What's the point of a nice looking army if you know how badly you'll be tabled before the game starts?

Hence why I started playing some game which name I will not mention, that allows me to have a nice very thematic army that includes some of the weakest model in the faction, and I am still able to do some nice results in tournament . I am pretty sure there are plenty of other games around which allows the same thing, actually.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
And boycotts just don't work.

Not buying something because you are not interested in it enough and the competition provide better is not boycott .

 ClockworkZion wrote:
to the gak that is "Page 5"

I never understood that gak, and never cared about it either. Nobody had a problem with it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I love the models and the setting but depending on this edition and how it goes together I may just move to collecting/painting things I want to collect and paint and just flip the bird to the game itself until it changes.

Well, if you do not play, why do you care about (not) being tabled? Now you lost your only excuse not to buy that awesome Sister model .

 buddha wrote:
- I couldn't stop laughing at the "Impure thoughts" quote with the sister of battle as the picture.

What?

You want fortifications? There is a book for that.

Has the Precision Shots rule been clarified for the sake of the Imperial Guard's "Take Aim!" order? Or does it still suggest in a vague way that all shots rather than just 6's get to choose their wounds?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
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Hence why I started playing some game which name I will not mention, that allows me to have a nice very thematic army that includes some of the weakest model in the faction, and I am still able to do some nice results in tournament . I am pretty sure there are plenty of other games around which allows the same thing, actually.

Warmahordes? How about Dropzone Commander. Lets start naming other alternatives. Why will you not mention them? We are not in a GW store we can say there is other games that exist outside of GW.

 Kelly502 wrote:
Has anyone played through a battle or two yet? If so how did it go?

FLGS began to sell the book for a few of us the long timers,( because saturday he can't be open, and have to do something private matters related), so my mates allready had a few games like 3 or 4.

General concensus is that the 7th ed rebalance some stuffs, doesn't break too much, at least stuffs that din't need it, and all in all they are satisfied, even if the general opinion is that 65euro for some rules tweakings here and there and the addition of a new Phase, its a bit of a rip off.

Its something akin to 3rd Ed Experimental Assault rules and Lesser Psychic Powers, something that have been done in chapter Approved in the WD, was more then sufficient.

Here its the exact same situation, except they labeled it 7th Ed and made you pay for it.

Just flipped throught the hobby and fluff books, since i suspected that nothing major would be changed, spoted what might be the futur orks cover, like mentioned in theAppropriate thread.

Now the new rules, are much more clearer, and well written, i suspect that there might be some errors here and there, but i din't see any for now.

The book design is a bit bleak and too much "Iphone"-y for my taste, but i can understand that the 6th book designe was a nightmare for the digital books, with all the images and backgrounds and texts that would move around etc;

This book designe is cleaner and neat, even if it is borring.

It will take a will to have new habits when handling it, the USR section is in the 150-170 page range and the pages numbers are on the upper side of the pages not the bottom like usual.

I know it might sound stupid, but when you are acustomed to looking instinctly to the bottom of the page, and you found nothing, and it takes you a few secs to realise that theyr arn't on this part of the page anymore, it become annoying.

But its something you get used to.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Has the Precision Shots rule been clarified for the sake of the Imperial Guard's "Take Aim!" order? Or does it still suggest in a vague way that all shots rather than just 6's get to choose their wounds?

It was mentioned by someone earlier that yes, the Precision shots special rule now only allows you to choose your target on a 6. So IG don't get blobs of super snipers anymore.

Anyone else feel ripped off?

Tin Foil Hats people:

Could the Ageis defense line be dropped because lots of 3rd part companies have made alternate versions .

Food break, will get back to the review writing shortly.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
What's the point of a nice looking army if you know how badly you'll be tabled before the game starts?

Hence why I started playing some game which name I will not mention, that allows me to have a nice very thematic army that includes some of the weakest model in the faction, and I am still able to do some nice results in tournament . I am pretty sure there are plenty of other games around which allows the same thing, actually.

Warmachine, Hordes, X-Wing, MtG, 40k and Fantasy are the games of choice here. Not counting RPGs of course.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
And boycotts just don't work.

Not buying something because you are not interested in it enough and the competition provide better is not boycott .

And disliking rules doesn't keep me from liking the models.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
to the gak that is "Page 5"

I never understood that gak, and never cared about it either. Nobody had a problem with it.

It just pushes me away from getting into the game. The attitude is just all sorts of "ugh" for me.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
I love the models and the setting but depending on this edition and how it goes together I may just move to collecting/painting things I want to collect and paint and just flip the bird to the game itself until it changes.

Well, if you do not play, why do you care about (not) being tabled? Now you lost your only excuse not to buy that awesome Sister model .

I think you need glasses because I commented about the limited selection of models was a problem for me too.

Not getting my book til tommorow but curious about the Daemon / Chaos thing, does this mean that Chaos auto get their gods Primarus + the Primaris of another Discpline and get to roll or their Chaos Gods discipline takes the place of that primaris, because if true then Daemons can never summon daemons or use the Summoning spell, LoL.

What I mean is

Herald of Tzeentch - LVL 3 , Chooses Daemonlogy
Gets Flickering Fire Automatically
Gets Summoning because if Focuses in Daemonology
Then Get's to roll 3 Times
So he knows 5 powers

OR
Herald of Tzeentch LVL 3
Gets Flickering Fire Automatically
Then because he already has a Free Primaris
Rolls 3 times on the chart

One way means more spells, the other way means Daemons and Chaos Space Marines can never ever cast the Summoning Spell. Which is HILARIOUS.

Darkwynn wrote:
Anyone else feel ripped off?

I would if I'd bothered to buy the 6th ed book. I've been out of the game for a long time and have been intending to get back into it but was distracted by other games (LOTR SBG)- went so far as to the 6th ed Space Marine codex last December.

I'm pretty relieved that I waited so long now.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

It just pushes me away from getting into the game. The attitude is just all sorts of "ugh" for me.

I see this a lot and really don't understand it. Nothing about Page 5 seems like it would invoke that feeling.

Do you know what Page 5 says (without Googling or looking)?

Darkwynn wrote:
Anyone else feel ripped off?

If you willingly went in blind and bought it before reading reviews or even some of the confirmed information we have, then it's your own fault honestly.

Seriously, people need to take a step back and make informed purchases instead of saddling themselves with buyer's remorse all the time.

 DiabolicAl wrote:
Got book, not checked out rules yet but Fluff and Hobby sections are inferior to 6th in nearly every way.

In fact 90% of the fluff is copy and pasted from 6th. The rest is copy and pasted from Pandorax

Naughty and lazy.

Pretty sure this is more of a rules refinement release, not a lore overhaul =P I never expected the lore to change.

 AgeOfEgos wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

It just pushes me away from getting into the game. The attitude is just all sorts of "ugh" for me.

I see this a lot and really don't understand it. Nothing about Page 5 seems like it would invoke that feeling.

Do you know what Page 5 says (without Googling or looking)?

It starts off by telling you to play with some (metaphorical) balls. The tone of the whole thing comes off as a bit aggressive and in your face and I just don't like it.

I have a rulebook within 6' of me for the game and while I've tried to give the game a fair shake that page 5 gak is just one of many things I don't like about the game.

 ClockworkZion wrote:


It starts off by telling you to play with some (metaphorical) balls. The tone of the whole thing comes off as a bit aggressive and in your face and I just don't like it.

I have a rulebook within 6' of me for the game and while I've tried to give the game a fair shake that page 5 gak is just one of many things I don't like about the game.

Nope, it ends with "Play like you've got a pair", which if you read the rest, is tongue in cheek. Do you know what else it says?

I'm watching the SG stream while working and while they're doing a great job I can't understand why the heck they decided to kick it off with BA vs. Crons.

It's one of the most one-sided matchups there is right now, accentuated by four doom scythes and very little influence in the psychic phase -- because crons.

I dunno, seems like a really odd way to showcase the new edition.

Sounding, no doubt, like an incorrigible grognard here I suppose.

Maybe I missed someone else commenting on it, but it would appear that the new Malific powers mark another death knell for the richness of the Chaos of 40k past...

All the Daemonic units are summoned in measures of 5 and 10?

There once was a day when fluff was the backbone of the game...

But I guess that's all to better allow players to forge a narrative. Or something.

Every bit of potential good news I've heard about v7 seems to get rapidly swamped by yet another sign that the richness of what once was 40k is being diluted, changed for the sake of copyright(tm), and/or retconed or grim darked out of existence.

The simple fact is that the 40k rules are, at their core, nothing more than 1970's-era Donald Featherstone mechanics overlaid with layer after layer of kludged-on chrome. There is very, very little in the mechanics of the game which make it a compelling experience when compared to the more sophisticated sets of rules that are on the market today. The background is really what made the game, but GW seems determined to undermine that in favor of their current path where the fluff approaches incomprehensible grim dark self-parody. Which, I suppose, works with their avowed target audience, but it is, in the end, mighty thin gruel.

In my recent games of 40k, I've enjoyed myself because of the people I game with, not because of the rules. More precisely I've enjoyed them because of the people and *despite* the rules.

I honestly haven't decided if my long term relationship with 40k, going back to the Rogue Trader-era, is really over yet but I'd say, at the very least the magic is gone, we're on a trial separation, seeing other people, and I'm trying to decide if its worth it to stick together for the sake of the kids.

Valete,

JohnS

 AgeOfEgos wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:


It starts off by telling you to play with some (metaphorical) balls. The tone of the whole thing comes off as a bit aggressive and in your face and I just don't like it.

I have a rulebook within 6' of me for the game and while I've tried to give the game a fair shake that page 5 gak is just one of many things I don't like about the game.

Nope, it ends with "Play like you've got a pair", which if you read the rest, is tongue in cheek. Do you know what else it says?

It doesn't read that tongue in cheek to me. Probably because I've know to many people who are legitimately like that. And if you're asking if I've got it memorized, I don't. I don't want to either because I don't care.

You're not going to sell me on the game, especially not in a rumor thread for 40k. Don't bother PMing me about how great you think the game is either because I don't want to hear it. The ridiculious levels of "YOU SHOULD LIKE WARMACHINE! WHY YOU NO LIKE WARMACHINE? WARMACHINE IS THE GREATEST!" I've run into has put me off of dealing with the community too. And it's hardly a parody of parts of the community when after having said I wasn't that interested in Warmachine in an older thread I had two people start to badger me about playing.

Seriously, I just don't like it, so drop it because I'm not eating your Green Eggs and Ham Sam-I-Am.

Not sure why people say it doesnt have rules for ADL?

It has rules for "Defense line" and "Gun emplacement"

Which is pretty much the rules for ADL now

 cygnnus wrote:
Maybe I missed someone else commenting on it, but it would appear that the new Malific powers mark another death knell for the richness of the Chaos of 40k past...

All the Daemonic units are summoned in measures of 5 and 10?

There once was a day when fluff was the backbone of the game...

I guess that's all to better allow players to forge a narrative.

Every bit of potential good news I've heard about v7 seems to get rapidly swamped by yet another sign that the richness of what once was 40k is being diluted, copyrighted (tm), and/or retconed out of existance.

Valete,

JohnS

While I agree that the chaos fluff seems to be getting watered down, I do see the logistical point of making the summoned units an even 10. No favoritism for one and its convenient that the box set has 10 models (hardly coincidental)

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Not sure why people say it doesnt have rules for ADL?

It has rules for "Defense line" and "Gun emplacement"

Which is pretty much the rules for ADL now

It doesn't have the rules for taking one in your army though.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Not sure why people say it doesnt have rules for ADL?

It has rules for "Defense line" and "Gun emplacement"

Which is pretty much the rules for ADL now

It doesn't have the rules for taking one in your army though.

True, but it has what it is, just not points. Not sure why it wasnt added in the terrain in the back of the book

Im excited for 7th though. But then again i do play Grey Knights

 ClockworkZion wrote:

It doesn't read that tongue in cheek to me. Probably because I've know to many people who are legitimately like that. And if you're asking if I've got it memorized, I don't. I don't want to either because I don't care.

You're not going to sell me on the game, especially not in a rumor thread for 40k. Don't bother PMing me about how great you think the game is either because I don't want to hear it. The ridiculious levels of "YOU SHOULD LIKE WARMACHINE! WHY YOU NO LIKE WARMACHINE? WARMACHINE IS THE GREATEST!" I've run into has put me off of dealing with the community too. And it's hardly a parody of parts of the community when after having said I wasn't that interested in Warmachine in an older thread I had two people start to badger me about playing.

Seriously, I just don't like it, so drop it because I'm not eating your Green Eggs and Ham Sam-I-Am.

First, you can drop the aggression. I'm not being pugilistic and I'm not trying to convert you to the game. I don't know you and if you decide to play Star Wars, 40k, Warmahordes, etc etc. it has no effect on me or on my life...and there is no reason to spam emoticons. So, no, I'm not badgering you about playing. You seem very disinterested in the game--so that would be the last person I would want to play against.


The reason I ask--is that I've seen that repeated a few times and it's nonsensical to me. Half of "Page 5" is dedicated to winning graciously, losing graciously and not diminishing another player because you beat him at toy soldiers. In fact, to paraphrase as I don't have the page in front of me, I believe it states "..we all come here out of a common need to play/have fun so give respect to each other". That's pretty much the best gaming attitude I can imagine. So, if I see that (what I believe) misrepresented--I usually ask what about Page 5 upsets someone--as it's usually the mythology of Page 5 more than the actual content.


How this relates to 40k (and the new rule set) is that with what we've seen leaked so far--we can see two different companies having two, very real, differences on game design. One is "Have a pint, you can make it fair" the other is "We'll make everything fair, anything goes because of that". I used to be a believer in the "Just make it fair"..until I realized there was so much grey in "fair" that I felt like I was doing the job of game design just to play a game. It appears this rule set is more of the same. Anyways...

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 AgeOfEgos wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:


It starts off by telling you to play with some (metaphorical) balls. The tone of the whole thing comes off as a bit aggressive and in your face and I just don't like it.

I have a rulebook within 6' of me for the game and while I've tried to give the game a fair shake that page 5 gak is just one of many things I don't like about the game.

Nope, it ends with "Play like you've got a pair", which if you read the rest, is tongue in cheek. Do you know what else it says?

It doesn't read that tongue in cheek to me. Probably because I've know to many people who are legitimately like that. And if you're asking if I've got it memorized, I don't. I don't want to either because I don't care.

You're not going to sell me on the game, especially not in a rumor thread for 40k. Don't bother PMing me about how great you think the game is either because I don't want to hear it. The ridiculious levels of "YOU SHOULD LIKE WARMACHINE! WHY YOU NO LIKE WARMACHINE? WARMACHINE IS THE GREATEST!" I've run into has put me off of dealing with the community too. And it's hardly a parody of parts of the community when after having said I wasn't that interested in Warmachine in an older thread I had two people start to badger me about playing.

Seriously, I just don't like it, so drop it because I'm not eating your Green Eggs and Ham Sam-I-Am.

WarmaHorde fans....the Jehovah's Witnesses of wargaming!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 AgeOfEgos wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:


It starts off by telling you to play with some (metaphorical) balls. The tone of the whole thing comes off as a bit aggressive and in your face and I just don't like it.

I have a rulebook within 6' of me for the game and while I've tried to give the game a fair shake that page 5 gak is just one of many things I don't like about the game.

Nope, it ends with "Play like you've got a pair", which if you read the rest, is tongue in cheek. Do you know what else it says?

It doesn't read that tongue in cheek to me. Probably because I've know to many people who are legitimately like that. And if you're asking if I've got it memorized, I don't. I don't want to either because I don't care.

You're not going to sell me on the game, especially not in a rumor thread for 40k. Don't bother PMing me about how great you think the game is either because I don't want to hear it. The ridiculious levels of "YOU SHOULD LIKE WARMACHINE! WHY YOU NO LIKE WARMACHINE? WARMACHINE IS THE GREATEST!" I've run into has put me off of dealing with the community too. And it's hardly a parody of parts of the community when after having said I wasn't that interested in Warmachine in an older thread I had two people start to badger me about playing.

Seriously, I just don't like it, so drop it because I'm not eating your Green Eggs and Ham Sam-I-Am.

wow that's exactly my reasoning too. My group changed wh40k to wmh and I just decided not to play with them anymore. Don't like any of that gak.

Does anyone know if there will be a new starter? because if there are no rumors for it then I might as well buy the ipad version tonight. I would rather have a starter set with a minirulebook though.