The Amazing Spider-Man 2

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**Hulksmash**

Saw it today and quite enjoyed it. Very fun and, in my opinion, a well done super hero movie. Critics can suck it. It felt like Spidey from my childhood reading comics. Unlike the original trilogy.

**wolfmerc**

The biggest 'thing' for me during the movie was that i had to remind myself that these guys were just graduating highschool. As in Peter and Gwen during that graduation ceremony

**pities2004**

generalgrog wrote:
All the Mcguire movies were good films.

The 2nd one still is one of the all time best Superhero movies. When it first came out it was THEEE best of all time.

The third one was good, they just tried to do to much. Doesn't mean it was a bad film, just imperfect.

The disco scene made sense, since you had a techy nerd guy, who was possessed. He would do something out of the ordinary.

GG

This is sort of correct but it should read

"The 2nd one still is one of the all time best Superhero movies before Ironman, The Incredible Hulk, Ironman 2 (yes), Thor, Captain America: The first avenger, The Avengers, Ironman 3, Thor: The Dark world, Captain America: The Winter Soldier."

There, now it's accurate.

Also I did not like the Amazing Spiderman 2, I like peter parker in this incarnation but really harry osborn right out of the gates as the goblin? No conflict of murdering your best friends girlfriend? Norman I can see, he was a bastard, but not harry.

Rhino was funny, the little kid part at the end of annoying. Electro was neat but until Spiderman, X-men, Fantastic 4 are back with Marvel/Disney all the movies will be subpar.

**Hulksmash**

You forgot all the Bale Batman Movies, they came out after Spider-Man 2 if I remember correctly.

**Frazzled**

pities2004 wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
All the Mcguire movies were good films.

The 2nd one still is one of the all time best Superhero movies. When it first came out it was THEEE best of all time.

The third one was good, they just tried to do to much. Doesn't mean it was a bad film, just imperfect.

The disco scene made sense, since you had a techy nerd guy, who was possessed. He would do something out of the ordinary.

GG

This is sort of correct but it should read

"The 2nd one still is one of the all time best Superhero movies before Ironman, The Incredible Hulk, Ironman 2 (yes), Thor, Captain America: The first avenger, The Avengers, Ironman 3, Thor: The Dark world, Captain America: The Winter Soldier."

There, now it's accurate.

Also I did not like the Amazing Spiderman 2, I like peter parker in this incarnation but really harry osborn right out of the gates as the goblin? No conflict of murdering your best friends girlfriend? Norman I can see, he was a bastard, but not harry.

Rhino was funny, the little kid part at the end of annoying. Electro was neat but until Spiderman, X-men, Fantastic 4 are back with Marvel/Disney all the movies will be subpar.

Thinking Thor beats Spiderman II in the awesome department instills a certain sense of doubt...

**nkelsch**

Spoiler:

**Soladrin**

nkelsch wrote:

Spoiler:

For such a strong female lead, you telling me when she was hanging there, she couldn't have swung to the side to grab on to something?

Also: She may have been better off falling and letting her legs break her fall instead of spiderman basically breaking her back. Bellyweb = broken back.

I dunno, she seemed to go all brainless damsel in distress at the end and it was kinda lame.

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Frazzled wrote:
pities2004 wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
All the Mcguire movies were good films.

The 2nd one still is one of the all time best Superhero movies. When it first came out it was THEEE best of all time.

The third one was good, they just tried to do to much. Doesn't mean it was a bad film, just imperfect.

The disco scene made sense, since you had a techy nerd guy, who was possessed. He would do something out of the ordinary.

GG

This is sort of correct but it should read

"The 2nd one still is one of the all time best Superhero movies before Ironman, The Incredible Hulk, Ironman 2 (yes), Thor, Captain America: The first avenger, The Avengers, Ironman 3, Thor: The Dark world, Captain America: The Winter Soldier."

There, now it's accurate.

Also I did not like the Amazing Spiderman 2, I like peter parker in this incarnation but really harry osborn right out of the gates as the goblin? No conflict of murdering your best friends girlfriend? Norman I can see, he was a bastard, but not harry.

Rhino was funny, the little kid part at the end of annoying. Electro was neat but until Spiderman, X-men, Fantastic 4 are back with Marvel/Disney all the movies will be subpar.

Thinking Thor beats Spiderman II in the awesome department instills a certain sense of doubt...

Wait what..? Iron man 2 no, Captain America: first no, Iron man 3 HELL NO, Thor NOPE. The rest I can at least agree are equal if not better.

**nkelsch**

Soladrin wrote:

Spoiler:

Gwen Stacy

Strong female lead

What.

Spoiler:

**timetowaste85**

You know, I still don't understand what people dislike about the first Captain America movie. I've watched it multiple times, and I can't find anything wrong with it. Steve Rogers is a quiet kid who's socially awkward with a heart of gold, the best is brought out in him and his good qualities are amplified, and the rest of the story follows his origins. Was it as sarcastic as iron man? Nope. Was it as supernatural as Thor? Also nope. But it had heart. The Tobey films also had heart. I enjoyed ASM1, and I'm gonna give 2 a shot as well. I'm sure it'll be decent, but I don't get the Cap hate. I figure the people who didn't like it didn't have appreciation for what it was.

**Cheesecat**

I think this does a good job of reviewing Captain America: The First Avenger.

http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag/captain-america-and-the-rocketeer/

**Bromsy**

timetowaste85 wrote:
You know, I still don't understand what people dislike about the first Captain America movie. I've watched it multiple times, and I can't find anything wrong with it. Steve Rogers is a quiet kid who's socially awkward with a heart of gold, the best is brought out in him and his good qualities are amplified, and the rest of the story follows his origins. Was it as sarcastic as iron man? Nope. Was it as supernatural as Thor? Also nope. But it had heart. The Tobey films also had heart. I enjoyed ASM1, and I'm gonna give 2 a shot as well. I'm sure it'll be decent, but I don't get the Cap hate. I figure the people who didn't like it didn't have appreciation for what it was.

Uh, for me personally it was the second half of the movie. The first half they did a fair job of developing the character and making it feel all world war twoey... and then it turned into captain america punching miscellaneous terrible marksman sci fi bad guys with lazors. I think it would have worked better as a world war two movie with some super hero elements instead.

**timetowaste85**

Captain America's resume, according to Daredevil, is "throws shield well". What else did you expect him to do when he got his frisbee of doom?

**soundwave591**

Soladrin wrote:
Oh, you're talking about 3?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/9143-You-Are-Wrong-About-Spider-Man-3

sarcasm? I hope, because spidey 3 is significantly worse than rise of the Dark Knight, and I usually feel like its hate is unjustified(spiderman's hate).

but yeah what others are saying Toby Maguire for pre spiderman/ first bit after peter parker, after that it just feels so awkward, andrew garfield is more comfortable as peter parker with spiderman, but I hated him for the initial reboot but liked this one.

**AduroT**

(except GR: SoV)

Which is that?

**timetowaste85**

Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance.

**Frazzled**

timetowaste85 wrote:
You know, I still don't understand what people dislike about the first Captain America movie. I've watched it multiple times, and I can't find anything wrong with it. Steve Rogers is a quiet kid who's socially awkward with a heart of gold, the best is brought out in him and his good qualities are amplified, and the rest of the story follows his origins. Was it as sarcastic as iron man? Nope. Was it as supernatural as Thor? Also nope. But it had heart. The Tobey films also had heart. I enjoyed ASM1, and I'm gonna give 2 a shot as well. I'm sure it'll be decent, but I don't get the Cap hate. I figure the people who didn't like it didn't have appreciation for what it was.

Its boring as gak thats whats wrong with it.

**timetowaste85**

A lot of people consider Cap a boring character in general-unfortunately, being an origin story, that meant the movie wasn't going to be over the top, or else they wouldn't do justice to him. I wasn't bored with it at all, but then again I don't find him a boring character, so I found the origin story true and an appropriate transition from book to screen.

**Dark Apostle 666**

The thing with the Cap is that he's not very showy - he hits stuff with a shield. I'm not saying he's not good at that, but it lacks the visual show of Thor calling down thunder, Iron Man whizzing about firing flares, Hulk hulk-smashing...
(or Widow being on screen

)

And he is a very nice guy - which again, might explain why some people don't like him - he seems a bit perfect/goody-goody.

I can take him or leave him, but I certainly don't think he's anywhere near the most interesting Avenger to watch beat stuff up.

**LordofHats**

The issue with Captain America is that what really makes a super hero feel interesting and alive is their human identity. Peter Parker and the X-Men are icons not because of cool powers but because of the struggles they face outside the costumes as people. Costumes only take a hero so far.

Stever Rogers doesn't do that much. Occasionally, he steps up and manages to present himself as a compelling person (like the Civil War storyline) but usually he's awesome as a hero, dull as human being and that makes him boring.

**Kain**

I liked it quite a bit.

I preferred Captain America though, and I believe I will be liking Godzilla and Guardians of the Galaxy more.

**Platuan4th**

LordofHats wrote:
The issue with Captain America is that what really makes a super hero feel interesting and alive is their human identity. Peter Parker and the X-Men are icons not because of cool powers but because of the struggles they face outside the costumes as people. Costumes only take a hero so far.

Stever Rogers doesn't do that much. Occasionally, he steps up and manages to present himself as a compelling person (like the Civil War storyline) but usually he's awesome as a hero, dull as human being and that makes him boring.

I actually found him to less compelling as a person and character during Civil War. The only compelling character IMO during that storyline was Peter. Everyone else was SO convinced they were right they turned into stereotypical Trope-people.

**Soladrin**

Platuan4th wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
The issue with Captain America is that what really makes a super hero feel interesting and alive is their human identity. Peter Parker and the X-Men are icons not because of cool powers but because of the struggles they face outside the costumes as people. Costumes only take a hero so far.

Stever Rogers doesn't do that much. Occasionally, he steps up and manages to present himself as a compelling person (like the Civil War storyline) but usually he's awesome as a hero, dull as human being and that makes him boring.

I actually found him to less compelling as a person and character during Civil War. The only compelling character IMO during that storyline was Peter. Everyone else was SO convinced they were right they turned into stereotypical Trope-people.

Only story line where I found Peter Parker interesting.

And IMO, She-hulk was one of the best characters in the Civil war.

Now if only we could get a world war hulk movie.

**Breotan**

Okay. Apparently there are ten baffling questions that The Amazing Spider-Man 2 leaves unanswered. Here they are for your enjoyment.

(WARNING: MAJOR PLOT SPOILERS FOR 'THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2' BEYOND THIS POINT.)

Donna Dickens wrote:10 Baffling Questions 'The Amazing Spider-Man 2' Refused to Answer

'The Amazing Spider-Man' swung into theaters over the weekend and sauntered away with a witty quip and a hefty $92 million domestic box office. But despite all monetary evidence to the contrary, this movie seemed to be actively trying to make viewer hates it. A bold and controversial stance to take with a summer blockbuster but clearly one paying in dividends for Sony. But the plan to make me rail against this sequel failed. Despite a bloated story with at least three too many subplots that needed pruning, despite not passing the Bechdel Test or casting more than one non-white actor in a speaking role, I didn't hate this movie. I just have a lot of questions…

1. How is Spider-Man's super genius dad this much of an idiot?

When we first meet Peter Parker's dad, he is in the process of shutting down his OSCORP project and fleeing the scene. Clearly realizing his life is in danger, he makes the last logical decision of his life and drops his son off into the safety of Ben and May Parker's brownstone. Then the brain damage brought on by a small aneurysm sets in. Because that is the only logical reason you would disarm a man trying to murder you on a private jet (???) and not immediately SHOOT HIM IN THE HEAD. And both Richard and Mary seem blind-sided by the fact chartering a personal pan plane with no other passengers/witnesses that could be easily disposed of is a stupid, stupid idea.

2. Why didn't anyone tell me drowning in a bath of electric eels grants super powers?

I mean, that's what happened to Electro. There was no weird chemical in the pipelines or freak gamma radiation emanating from the water. Just Electro, some genetically modified eels, and a leftover bacta tank from 'The Empire Strikes Back.' Do you think everyone bitten by OSCORP genetically altered animals gets superpowers? Because a sample study of two shows 100% of the time, yes…yes they do. Wait, don't tell me. Electro's dad was the modified eel specialist and used his own blood while creating the biological power supplies.

3. Can Electro breathe underwater?

He's being held in a tank of water to suspend his powers but nobody ever said that was like the oxygen water in 'The Abyss' so either Electro is slowly drowning or he can breathe underwater or he doesn't need to breathe anymore and this seems like a fairly important distinction to the prisoner's mental health. Maybe if he wasn't so oxygen deprived, he wouldn't be having episodes of dub step schizophrenia.

4. Where the hell did Electro's costume come from?

So OSCORP special projects was really a front to create super villain toys because someone in R&D knew they'd need an unending parade of villains to keep this franchise moving. Bless you fourth-wall breaking OSCORP cog, wherever you are. So sure they could have up with a rubberized suit that can dissipate into pure energy with the user and reform around the wearer so as to avoid an unfortunate Doctor Manhattan wardrobe malfunction. But Harry and Electro hadn't gotten into the special projects room yet so where the blue hell did he get that glorified scuba suit?

5. Why is Harry's disease killing him faster than it did his dad?

So the Osborn line has a secret genetic disorder that turns its descendants into talon-fingered green slime monsters with bad teeth. This is what happens when WASP inbreeding goes unchecked. How and why Norman Osborn was able to keep this killer family secret from Harry aside, it took literally decades for the elder Osborn to deteriorate into a budget Jeff Goldblum from 'The Fly.' So why is Harry turning into a pus-covered monster at an exponential rate? He's got all his father's research to stall the progression literally at his fingertips.

6. Who thought hiding the OSCORP lab in an underground subway car was a good idea?

At some point, a team of people were assembled to convert a rickety set of subway cars into a genetic research lab. But after setting up the mechanism to hide the lab underneath the station of an abandoned D-Train spur that no one would ever discover anyway, they got super bored. So they just tossed a few beakers, a centrifuge, and some glass-door mini fridges onto some IKEA bench tables and called it a day. After all, delicate biological experiments won't be affected by jerky daily movements from an unnecessarily complex coin-based hiding mechanism right?

7. Why didn't Gwen Stacy punch Harry Osborn in his stupid zero-to-murderer in sixty seconds face?

We all knew it was coming eventually. Gwen had to step aside and sadly pave the way for Mary Jane…or Black Cat. But for a woman who has consistently shown tenacity in the way of overwhelming super villain danger, she wouldn't have gone out like that. This is the same scientific genius who created a cure for lizard transformation disease while simultaneously fending off said lizard with a blowtorch. The spitfire who literally just hit Electro with a car and then chewed out her superhero boyfriend for being a sexist jerk. Everything leading up to this moment said Gwen Stacy would not quietly wait to be bartered over by the two male leads. Nay, she'd have gouged Harry Osborn right in his rheumy eyes.

8. Do Gwen Stacy's brothers become super villains?

Or at least anti-heroes. Surely holding Spider-Man responsible for the death of both their father and their sister would leave some indelible mark on them? Perhaps enough to suit up for Harry's super villain dodgeball team?

9. What exactly is the tactical advantage of dressing like a mecha-rhino?

OSCORP sank a lot of money into that prototype. But the question is why? What possible real world application could this have? At least the Doctor Octopus arms and the Vulture wings seem viable for both military and civilian markets. But how are you going to sell an army of 'rhino mechs' to any self-respecting guerrilla army or arms dealer? It's like they weren't even thinking of the profit margins. What kind of corporation is this?

10. Why is the ghost of Denis Leary following Peter around?

I mean I know 'Rescue Me' ended in 2011, but exactly how bored is he?

**gunslingerpro**

I thought it was great. But I've never considered the original spiderman trilogy anything other than 'decent'.

Garfield's Parker feels more like a teenager I've met than the stereotype Tobey's was ever did. Maybe it's because I'm younger, but I felt that ASM was a great modernization of what had become kind of a dated character.

**AlexHolker**

timetowaste85 wrote:
You know, I still don't understand what people dislike about the first Captain America movie.

It should have been Captain America vs. Nazis, not Captain America vs. Hydra.

**squidhills**

AlexHolker wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
You know, I still don't understand what people dislike about the first Captain America movie.

It should have been Captain America vs. Nazis, not Captain America vs. Hydra.

I only had two complaints about the first Cap movie; the soundtrack and the art design on the Hydra equipment. The soundtrack was over-the-top bombast, and not in a good way. I mean, I know why they went with a WWII super ACTION score, but they could've tried making the music good instead of just loud. As for Hydra's gear... why did they not go with "advanced tech as envisioned by the 1940s" as their inspiration instead of what they actually did, which was spray paint leftover props from the previous year's GI Joe movie and slap Hydra symbols on everything. The design asthetics of the Cap video game were awesome and appropriate, in stark contrast to the movie's look. Dammit, I don't mind Nazis with laser guns, as long as you put vacuum tubes and shiz on them!

And I'm actually surprised how much I've liked both Cap films... I usually find him to be the second most boring character in Marvel's entire lineup (right after Wolverine). I can't explain why I like his portrayal as much as I do... maybe it's the natural charisma of the actor playing him, ormaybe the writing is so good, but the Marvel movies have made me like Cap (at least on film).

As for Spidey, I'm a big Tobey booster. He felt more like a put-upon nerd who woke up with superpowers than that other guy. He always came across as vulnerable, even after becoming Spidey, which is good, because Spidey has all the fun but Peter's life still blows. That's been the theme of the character for years in the comics. When he puts on the costume, he isn't just saving the world, he's escaping the mundane problems that still plague his private life. When the mask coems off, he still has to deal with those problems, and he's bad at it. I think Tobey McGuire conveyed that perfectly.

Except Spider Man 3. That wasn't a very good film. It wasn't the dire pile of excrement that people seem to think it was (that was DK 3) but it wasn't nearly as good as it should have been.

**Platuan4th**

squidhills wrote:
I think Tobey McGuire conveyed that perfectly.

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree. None of his vulnerability came across as genuine, more like a veneer that he put on to cover a cocky jerk interior. It was more like a Spiderman who believes his own hype trying to pretend he's Peter Parker to me.

**Flashman**

Watch Amazing Spiderman 2 this afternoon and quite enjoyed it. Wasn't too bothered about all the fights (these seem to get more and more tedious as I get older), but Andrew Garfield is very good in the role and Emma Stone is all kinds of charming too. I would have given her another film at least.

My favourite moment was when he rescued the kid from the bullies. Normally, the hero would just ruffle the kid's hair and then zoom off again, but I really, really liked how he stopped to take an interest in the kid, fixed his windmill project and then walked him home. It was a nice touching moment that added a lot to Garfield's character.

**timetowaste85**

Jamie Foxx did an amazing job as Electro. You really did feel sorry for him. Saw it this afternoon. Yeah..that's really all the good I have to say about it. It didn't do anything to stand out: "I love you, I can't be with you, I love you, I can't be with you, I can't live without you, oops, the 1960s happen again." That was the whole movie. 1960s meaning what happened at the end. At least that part was ALMOST completely accurate. The rest of the movie...no, I think even Spidey 3 with Maguire was better. Jamie Foxx was the sole carrier of the film. And the stupid Rhino suit? Ugh...feth that.

**Goliath**

timetowaste85 wrote:
Jamie Foxx did an amazing job as Electro. You really did feel sorry for him. Saw it this afternoon. Yeah..that's really all the good I have to say about it. It didn't do anything to stand out: "I love you, I can't be with you, I love you, I can't be with you, I can't live without you, oops, the 1960s happen again." That was the whole movie. 1960s meaning what happened at the end. At least that part was ALMOST completely accurate. The rest of the movie...no, I think even Spidey 3 with Maguire was better. Jamie Foxx was the sole carrier of the film. And the stupid Rhino suit? Ugh...feth that.

Why not a mech? Because a rhino-shaped costume molecularly bonded to his skin would work better?