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2014/05/08 16:08:46
Subject: Slo Mo video of missile that "never" misses its target
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I'm a little confused. Is the explosive version supposed to kill the driver but leave passengers alive? Cause the explosion looks a weee bit big for leaving them without a bad case of dead. Seems like a non-explosive one would be more effective at that, just cave his head in
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Grey Templar wrote: I'm a little confused. Is the explosive version supposed to kill the driver but leave passengers alive? Cause the explosion looks a weee bit big for leaving them without a bad case of dead. Seems like a non-explosive one would be more effective at that, just cave his head in
The non-explosive version is solely used for testing.
2014/05/09 07:34:44
Subject: Slo Mo video of missile that "never" misses its target
Yeah. One of the tests shows that the truck keeps going after the non-warhead one hits, as it seems to enter through the top of the cab and go through the rear trailer rather than hitting the engine. At the right angle it might've torn off the rear axle, but weirdly the truck is fine (other than the stonking great hole through it).
The warhead ones? Yeah. Not so much left after the missile hits.
Very cool...the only issue is cost. These things supposedly cost over 100,000 British pounds ea. Doing a little cost analysis of this thing, versus a $500 pickup truck filled with the ubiquitous Beardsley mcJihadBros and maybe $2,000 in weapons...I have to wonder if we shouldn't be looking for cheaper solutions, rather than more accurate ones.
Similar thing we faced in the war with Lebanon in 2006 - even if we could hit every single Katushya launcher before it fired, we'd still be losing out, because they're dirt cheap and we were using $20,000 + bombs to destroy them.
Grey Templar wrote: I'm a little confused. Is the explosive version supposed to kill the driver but leave passengers alive?
Even without the warhead one of those missiles hitting a vehicle would still almost always kill everyone in it.
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Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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2014/05/09 14:31:16
Subject: Slo Mo video of missile that "never" misses its target
kronk wrote: Tomahawks are a million USD each, aren't they?
100,000 british pound moneys is a steal!
I think we're talking about way different payloads dude...
This...to put it in perspective, Tomahawk has 100x the range and weighs about 30 times as much. It's definitely more of a strategic weapon...this thing looks like it's supposed to be used like a Hellfire.
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NuggzTheNinja wrote: Very cool...the only issue is cost. These things supposedly cost over 100,000 British pounds ea. Doing a little cost analysis of this thing, versus a $500 pickup truck filled with the ubiquitous Beardsley mcJihadBros and maybe $2,000 in weapons...I have to wonder if we shouldn't be looking for cheaper solutions, rather than more accurate ones.
Similar thing we faced in the war with Lebanon in 2006 - even if we could hit every single Katushya launcher before it fired, we'd still be losing out, because they're dirt cheap and we were using $20,000 + bombs to destroy them.
That's why we need railguns.
The round itself would be relatively cheap compared to the target. Only the gun itself is expensive, and that is reusable.
Its why missiles really aren't a cost effective way of fighting.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: For a second I was thinking "Those poor test Drivers" then I hit realised how stupid that was.
This is really cool stuff. That going thrugh the window hitting the dirver is pretty cool. Who knew you could snipe with a Missile.
Yeah, but seems like an expensive way to do it, although still worth it if you really need to kill the driver of a moving vehicle without harming other passengers... except for, y'know, the mental and emotional trauma that comes with having the person sitting next to you turn into a bloody mist.... ;P
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2014/05/09 16:38:00
Subject: Re:Slo Mo video of missile that "never" misses its target
NuggzTheNinja wrote: Very cool...the only issue is cost. These things supposedly cost over 100,000 British pounds ea. Doing a little cost analysis of this thing, versus a $500 pickup truck filled with the ubiquitous Beardsley mcJihadBros and maybe $2,000 in weapons...I have to wonder if we shouldn't be looking for cheaper solutions, rather than more accurate ones.
Similar thing we faced in the war with Lebanon in 2006 - even if we could hit every single Katushya launcher before it fired, we'd still be losing out, because they're dirt cheap and we were using $20,000 + bombs to destroy them.
That's why we need railguns.
The round itself would be relatively cheap compared to the target. Only the gun itself is expensive, and that is reusable.
Its why missiles really aren't a cost effective way of fighting.
Totally agreed...do you have more info on this?
As I understand it, it's a direct fire weapon - you point it directly at the thing you're trying to shoot then adjust windage and elevation. It doesn't seem to work like artillery but maybe I'm wrong.
Another option the AF is exploring heavily is directed energy weapons, though right now they're pretty expensive per shot because of the power requirements. Last I heard, MTHEL (a US-Israeli collaboration) cost something like $20,000 per shot. I've seen a number of job postings and calls for researchers investigating morale effects associated with DE weapons. If they're worried about how people feel about fighting with and against DE weapons you would think that they're getting pretty close.
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Sure, you can direct fire with a rail gun, but it also can fire like artillery. With a range of 400 miles and very good accuracy.
Like any projectile weapon, it fires in a parabolic arc. And thus can indirect fire.
I'll look up some more info in a little bit.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Woo, hot damn, check out those 'splosions. Just think how many wedding parties, schools, medical convoys, and allied military units we'll be able to accidentally blow up with those!
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2014/05/09 20:20:41
Subject: Slo Mo video of missile that "never" misses its target
Yodhrin wrote: Woo, hot damn, check out those 'splosions. Just think how many wedding parties, schools, medical convoys, and allied military units we'll be able to accidentally blow up with those!
Weddings are Dull Affairs that DESERVE a tactical bombing in my opinion.
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2014/05/09 20:41:00
Subject: Slo Mo video of missile that "never" misses its target
Yodhrin wrote: Woo, hot damn, check out those 'splosions. Just think how many wedding parties, schools, medical convoys, and allied military units we'll be able to accidentally blow up with those!
Weddings are Dull Affairs that DESERVE a tactical bombing in my opinion.
I don't know what weddings you've been going to, but my wedding experience has consisted of incredibly epic moments (the accounts of which don't need to be available on the internet for all to see).
Yodhrin wrote: Woo, hot damn, check out those 'splosions. Just think how many wedding parties, schools, medical convoys, and allied military units we'll be able to accidentally blow up with those!
This is why I'm not fond of working with Scots.
2014/05/10 08:28:21
Subject: Slo Mo video of missile that "never" misses its target
Yodhrin wrote: Woo, hot damn, check out those 'splosions. Just think how many wedding parties, schools, medical convoys, and allied military units we'll be able to accidentally blow up with those!
I am, it excites me.
2014/05/10 10:41:21
Subject: Slo Mo video of missile that "never" misses its target
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
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