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Bull0 wrote: Wow? They're a pound more than they used to be, and they're a multi part plastic kit now instead of failcast.
So why are they a pound more? And who cares how many bitz there are if you can still only build 5 guys.
Bull0 wrote: People said they'd retire the 10 man space wolf box, and that didn't happen either.
So what? It could happen. This is a 5-man box that costs more than other 10-man boxes in the same range.
Rygnan wrote: And they actually added five more marines in the PAGK box
For slightly less than double the cost.
Warriors and Wyches wont get "Avengered." There is no way to split either into a 5 man kit without redesigning the sprues. It was only possible with the Dire Avengers because the 10 man box was just 2 sets of 5 man sprues. (2 Exarches, etc.)
my favorite conversion is using warrior or wych or even a few scourge legs with the crypt ghouls box and either ebay executioner heads or greenstuff some DE ones. It's more pricy then a wych or warrior squad but miles cheaper then two new/old wrack boxes.
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>Translated from Troll< Yes! More plastics to buy at discounts and endless wrack bits on ebay!! I find it funny that GW is moving everything to plastic and keeping their prices so high. I'm not sure that the 40k line has a reasonably priced model at all. I think the entire GW product line is so overpriced that I NEVER consider buying anything directly from them. As soon as something is released that I am interested in I know that I am going elsewhere to buy the product. That is a built in reflex to new releases. At this point, GW has completely lost me as a direct customer. Wracks are not incredible for that incredible price. 5 Wracks going to do anything for you? Especially when it's your newest unit and your opponent knows it. They can draw some fire for you, give up first blood everytime. They might not even have FNP to start with anymore without a Haemonculus, for all I know. YES! Just what I wanted to spend that money on! A decoy unit. Oh wait...that only works if you put them in a venom so they aren't entirely useless. How much is that decoy unit now? Oh you want wracks that will be effective...that will be 2 boxes and a raider...how much is that now? Over $100 for that unstoppable, broken unit that will be shredded by bolter fire all day. You had better forge the narrative..ie pretend you're having fun. Adding 5 wracks to my army would be far less effective than adding almost anything else of equal points value or monetary value and I'm not in a huge rush to buy these just because they are new, well newly in plastic. I feel that if it where priced at $50 for a box of 10 then every DE player would buy 2 or more boxes directly from GW. At this price, I feel that 1/3 of DE player will buy direct, 1/3 from discounters, 1/3 sell all their Dark Eldar army and start playing WarMachine.
I'm not impressed with the Haemonculus, especially because it's so under-detailed and vanilla for what it is that I initially thought it came with the box of Wracks. Haemonculus are some of the most interesting looking things from the 40k universe and this one looks about as detailed as a coloring book image of what it is. Not inspiring at all and merely passible. I'm not annoyed with the mono pose this time around because I expect it and still have no interest in buying these types of....what are they? models? It's more like Gashapon these days with the lack of fine details. I also expect that all the interesting wargear that a Haemo could take is no longer available, so this model wysiwyg in all lists. I absolutely hate that there isn't even an alternate unique head and no sign of new grotesques, which was needed more than more expensive wracks, so Dark Eldar remain a clone army if you're going carnival of pain. I will be buying this stuff at a fat discount if the codex dictates that I want these in my list.
Can't wait to see the Dias.
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extremefreak17 wrote: Warriors and Wyches wont get "Avengered." There is no way to split either into a 5 man kit without redesigning the sprues. It was only possible with the Dire Avengers because the 10 man box was just 2 sets of 5 man sprues. (2 Exarches, etc.)
Indeed you are correct. Those are some mighty efficient sprues, with all ten sets of legs across two frames.
extremefreak17 wrote: Warriors and Wyches wont get "Avengered." There is no way to split either into a 5 man kit without redesigning the sprues. It was only possible with the Dire Avengers because the 10 man box was just 2 sets of 5 man sprues. (2 Exarches, etc.)
Indeed you are correct. Those are some mighty efficient sprues, with all ten sets of legs across two frames.
Cue GW redoing the sprues so they can cut it down to 5 models per box...
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extremefreak17 wrote: Warriors and Wyches wont get "Avengered." There is no way to split either into a 5 man kit without redesigning the sprues. It was only possible with the Dire Avengers because the 10 man box was just 2 sets of 5 man sprues. (2 Exarches, etc.)
Indeed you are correct. Those are some mighty efficient sprues, with all ten sets of legs across two frames.
Cue GWredoing the sprues so they can cut it down to 5 models per box...
They did it with Orks ya know
Used to get my boyz in boxes of 16 now there 10.
However, they did add Nob bits a power klaw and evay shoota and rokkit launcha so they did give something back unlike the Dire Avengers and Guardsmen.
extremefreak17 wrote: Warriors and Wyches wont get "Avengered." There is no way to split either into a 5 man kit without redesigning the sprues. It was only possible with the Dire Avengers because the 10 man box was just 2 sets of 5 man sprues. (2 Exarches, etc.)
Indeed you are correct. Those are some mighty efficient sprues, with all ten sets of legs across two frames.
Cue GWredoing the sprues so they can cut it down to 5 models per box...
They did it with Orks ya know
Used to get my boyz in boxes of 16 now there 10.
However, they did add Nob bits a power klaw and evay shoota and rokkit launcha so they did give something back unlike the Dire Avengers and Guardsmen.
Guardians used to be 16 as well. 2 sets of 8 man sprues I think. They are down to boxes of 8, with a weapons platform and 2 crewmen, so 10 and a gun.
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2014/09/18 18:40:05
Subject: Re:Dark Eldar rumors - pics and video page1
extremefreak17 wrote: Warriors and Wyches wont get "Avengered." There is no way to split either into a 5 man kit without redesigning the sprues. It was only possible with the Dire Avengers because the 10 man box was just 2 sets of 5 man sprues. (2 Exarches, etc.)
Indeed you are correct. Those are some mighty efficient sprues, with all ten sets of legs across two frames.
Cue GWredoing the sprues so they can cut it down to 5 models per box...
They did it with Orks ya know
Used to get my boyz in boxes of 16 now there 10.
However, they did add Nob bits a power klaw and evay shoota and rokkit launcha so they did give something back unlike the Dire Avengers and Guardsmen.
Don't forget to mention that each old metal heavy weapon (came in packs of two one big shoota and one rokkit so you needed to buy 3) and nob was an extra 10 bucks. The Ork sprue was a decent money save once you factored in a full 30 man squad.
Overall, I am doubtful that GW is going to do lots of recuts. Occasionally, one or two (space marines, Ork boys) but the DE line is fairly recent and I doubt recuts will happen. More likely the holes in the line, currently filled with finecast, will be filled.
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Subject: Re:Dark Eldar rumors - pics and video page1
A nice touch that the models can be adapted to raiders and venoms, but really, what will that change? Also, they look almost exactly like the finecast version. They could have done so much more with posing and the kit in general, but i guess with the deadlines the design team gets these days we should be happy if we get options at all.
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2014/09/19 01:26:53
Subject: Re:Dark Eldar rumors - pics and video page1
tarnish wrote: A nice touch that the models can be adapted to raiders and venoms, but really, what will that change? Also, they look almost exactly like the finecast version. They could have done so much more with posing and the kit in general, but i guess with the deadlines the design team gets these days we should be happy if we get options at all.
I think the idea was to get rid of the finecast crap, yet not differ them to much so that they mix well.
Also it would not have taken them any longer to design them with a different pose, either way they had to start from scratch so I doubt your reasoning is correct.
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I'm giving serious consideration to picking up the two battle forces at my local store before the new army box hits.
I LOVE the dark Eldar models, but like many others all of the finecast kills me collecting the army. I had about 2000 points of them, then I looked down one day and realized I had three squads of the same model (I ran 3 squads of 5 Incubi in venoms). I'm seriously hoping plastic Incubi will come out, and I can re-start that army!
via an anonymous source of Faeit 212 ***** Next weeks white dwarf #35 shows the DE Void Raven. Here is what the new cover says.
Watch the Skies! Dark Eldar Flyer Incoming! Fear the Voidraven Bomber Battlefields Darken in the Shadow of Sickle-Shaped Wings
Its has most of the aesthetics of the Razorwing Fighter, but larger with 4 Engines, 3 tail fins, and two Void Lances that protruding from the wings. In the main body, the pilot sits on a set of small bat-like wings with a long nose along the front. Its a gorgeous model, and if you like the razorwing fighter, the Voidraven looks very similar, just bigger and longer. Where the razorwing nose is open, there is a canopy for a nose pilot in the voidraven.
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pretre wrote: via an anonymous source of Faeit 212 *****
Next weeks white dwarf #35 shows the DE Void Raven.
Here is what the new cover says.
Watch the Skies!
Dark Eldar Flyer Incoming!
Fear the Voidraven Bomber
Battlefields Darken in the Shadow of Sickle-Shaped Wings
Its has most of the aesthetics of the Razorwing Fighter, but larger with 4 Engines, 3 tail fins, and two Void Lances that protruding from the wings. In the main body, the pilot sits on a set of small bat-like wings with a long nose along the front. Its a gorgeous model, and if you like the razorwing fighter, the Voidraven looks very similar, just bigger and longer. Where the razorwing nose is open, there is a canopy for a nose pilot in the voidraven.
He doesn't post leaked/rumour pictures, the one above is just a well known stock one - so he won't get into any trouble. It's also a 5* rating, meaning he's seen it for himself, making it pretty much fact.
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Bummer. I was hoping the bomber rumor wasn't true; I didn't want a new, different flier, maybe just add a spru to the existing kit to make the bomber and give us a different new model. I'm not a big fan of fliers since they only seem to be on the table a few turns per game.
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agnosto wrote: Bummer. I was hoping the bomber rumor wasn't true; I didn't want a new, different flier, maybe just add a spru to the existing kit to make the bomber and give us a different new model. I'm not a big fan of fliers since they only seem to be on the table a few turns per game.
Yeah, but a dual kit wouldn't really work for it, as the Voidraven Bomber is a good 50%+ larger than the Razorwing, being a 2-seat bomber, rather than a 1-seat fighter.
It'd be like the Stormtalon and Stormraven being a dual kit.
- The new eapon appears to be called an 'Ossefactor'.
Wonder what that'll do.
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really like the red skinned wracks. I think that eldar should always be painted on weird colours (red, blu, yellow). It gives them a way more alien look.
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Ovion wrote: Yeah, but a dual kit wouldn't really work for it, as the Voidraven Bomber is a good 50%+ larger than the Razorwing, being a 2-seat bomber, rather than a 1-seat fighter.
It'd be like the Stormtalon and Stormraven being a dual kit.
- The new eapon appears to be called an 'Ossefactor'.
Wonder what that'll do.
I don't really pay attention to fluff so didn't know that; it makes more sense to be a separate kit then I suppose. I'd still rather have something that I can start on the table with than another flier....but then I guess another flier fits the whole, DE hit and run thing.
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rollawaythestone wrote: Well, there's a confirmation that Grotesque's aren't getting updated - as they are in the picture with the new Wracks and Haemonculus.
Not even plastic models? That would be odd move.
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rollawaythestone wrote: Well, there's a confirmation that Grotesque's aren't getting updated - as they are in the picture with the new Wracks and Haemonculus.
Means nothing - could be a sly move to shift remaining stock.
If I'm not mistaken, they show the cover for the new DE codex( Archon). It's the background to the " how to paint wrack" tab. Just a small peak of it
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