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 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Metalhed2434 wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
So is this release done after the Succubus and Archon are released? I kinda expected to see the new large battalion box by now. Surely it's not the wrack bundle they have on their website?

Unless there's something coming out of left field that's it. I think they stopped the bigger battleforces when 7th started, Orks, Space Wolves, and Grey Knights all didn't get one.

Orks, Space Wolves, and Grey Knights ALL got a big battalion box...

Whoops, I guess I missed those. It looks like they come out the week after the releases are done.

There's also that named Archon that hasn't been announced yet, I guess he's coming out with a Sanctus Reach style box?

I am totally hoping for that DE / BA battle kit!!! Only reason I mentioned the larger battalions is because they are actually a decent deal as far as GW is concerned. You actually save a bit of money! So I am really hoping that the "Denizens of the Dark City" nonsense isn't the one they release for DE as there is a 0% discount or reason to purchase it over anything else..

Actually, wasn't there a rumor of a blood Angels vs DE campaign box after stormclaw came out?


Aaaaaaaaand....ninja'd

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 Metalhed2434 wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

 godswildcard wrote:
So is this release done after the Succubus and Archon are released? I kinda expected to see the new large battalion box by now. Surely it's not the wrack bundle they have on their website?

Unless there's something coming out of left field that's it. I think they stopped the bigger battleforces when 7th started, Orks, Space Wolves, and Grey Knights all didn't get one.

Orks, Space Wolves, and Grey Knights ALL got a big battalion box...

Whoops, I guess I missed those. It looks like they come out the week after the releases are done.

There's also that named Archon that hasn't been announced yet, I guess he's coming out with a Sanctus Reach style box?

I doubt that named Archon has actual stats. People were speculating who "Nazdreg Steeleye" was in the Ork codex, but he was just a name that they attached to a big mek model to make it feel more narrative-y. If I had to guess, they just gave an Archon model a cool name. New SM terminator captain was the same.

Interesting. The iBooks ad shows the Husk Blade in a noticeably different pose than the WD cover. Conversion?

with the rumor of there not being a named archon in the codex there might be a chance he does have a stat line though.

Im praying for that DE/BA campaign or starter set. I loved storm claw, as it was such a good deal for what you got, and i love Dark Vengeance. The snap-fit models are beautiful and its super easy to put together a good amount of troops. Customization is a little tougher, but that doesn't bother me.


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 SarisKhan wrote:
Interesting. The iBooks ad shows the Husk Blade in a noticeably different pose than the WD cover. Conversion?

i hope you have multiple poses/options for the archon. it probably is a conversion though as i don't see you getting multiples of the same weapon

 SarisKhan wrote:
Interesting. The iBooks ad shows the Husk Blade in a noticeably different pose than the WD cover. Conversion?

Pretty sure that's just the huskblade from the existing Archon.

I think reavers will actually suprise some people, those hammer of wrath hits plus i6 and 3 attacks on the charge will hurt a lot of armies.

I'm only going to be excited about them if they gain hit and run in addition to these new HoW shennanigans.

Shingen wrote:
I think reavers will actually suprise some people, those hammer of wrath hits plus i6 and 3 attacks on the charge will hurt a lot of armies.

Dont forget the possible buff that the combat drug brings. Not that I have any clue what those do at this point in the rumors.


I must say though, since I've stopped playing the game all together as I just can't stand the direction the game has gone, percieved nerfs or buffs don't bug me. What does bug me though is the loss of options, wargear, named characters, etc. From a modelers perspective the loss of those options is just a crying shame.

Yeah, there is nothing from stopping me from still modeling up a Lady Malas model, but its just not the same, I really cant explain it very well. Its just something you feel.

 Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:
Ohhhhh, sorry ^_^"

Proper leaks are usually around now, so we're probably a few hours off.

Actually you are about a day off. We should start seeing confirmed rumors tomorrow as that is typically when some of the books will drop at stores.

I think we should've had the newest WD info by now, though.

 Jayden63 wrote:


I must say though, since I've stopped playing the game all together as I just can't stand the direction the game has gone, percieved nerfs or buffs don't bug me. What does bug me though is the loss of options, wargear, named characters, etc. From a modelers perspective the loss of those options is just a crying shame.

Yeah, there is nothing from stopping me from still modeling up a Lady Malas model, but its just not the same, I really cant explain it very well. Its just something you feel.

I know just how you feel, as I'm in the same boat. For me, the conversions are fun when rules come out for unique models or units and you think, "I know exactly how I want to build that!".

 Exergy wrote:

ShadarLogoth wrote:

yup, the new nightshields sound pretty worthless

Yeah, because no army that can currently take Stealth on their skimmers ever takes it, right?



Such a silly comment. 3+ Jink sucks man. Great take.

Other armies that can get stealth on their skimmers either have lots of twinlinked weaponry, psykic powers to increase their chance to hit, or marker lights to raise their snap shot chance.

Also DE vehicles are cheap, paying 10 points more on a 60 point model that is going to die quickly anyway it a worse investment than a holofield on a serpant that is never going to die.

Also how useful is stealth on an army that wants to fight at night anyway and will get stealth first turn anyway.

Some DE vehicles have built in 5++ saves. adding upgrades to jink on 3+ instead of 4+ is less useful if you are probably not going to jink anyway and use the 5++.

The old nightshields were great, as they gave you the option of not being hit at all by many weapons. DE are a medium ranged army and need to keep close range stuff away from them.

Yeah, you probably wouldn't put it on a Venom or a Ravager. Raiders are another story. The expense of their cargo more then justifies it, and the shooting a Raider does is completely tertiary to its primary role. Anyway, calling it worthless is just completely ridiculous. That word has a specific meaning that is being entirely abused in this context.


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Dont forget the possible buff that the combat drug brings. Not that I have any clue what those do at this point in the rumors.

The last I saw was +1 Attack, Toughness, Strength, Ld, Initiative, WS.

Pretty much everything besides I is pretty gravy.

ShadarLogoth wrote:


The last I saw was +1 Attack, Toughness, Strength, Ld, Initiative, WS.

Pretty much everything besides I is pretty gravy.

+1 Ld is largely "meh" too.

I've felt for a while that high initiative should convey a bonus higher than just striking first, only because most things that strike quickly struggle to wound. Personally, I like WFB's system for elves of having high INT and ASF conveying rerolls to hit in CC. In 40K I'd like to see higher initiative grant rerolls of 1s and double initiative allow for rerolls of to hit.

That's a little off topic, I know.

+1 I and LD is pretty lousy but at least the other perks are better. Just makes the lack of the Duke that much more bitter though.

 Auswin wrote:

ShadarLogoth wrote:


The last I saw was +1 Attack, Toughness, Strength, Ld, Initiative, WS.

Pretty much everything besides I is pretty gravy.

+1 Ld is largely "meh" too.

Compare to the old table: Reroll run, +1 attack, +1WS, +1S, rerolls to hit,and Pain Token.

+1 attack, WS, and Strength are unchanged. +1 attack and Strength are pretty awesome. +1 WS is alright, not great, but not bad.

Rerolls to hit was AWESOME, but probably somewhat too good.
+1 T is also suitably awesome, im not sure yet, but these seems to balance out.

A pain token was pretty cool, certainly better than +1 Ld

+1 init is better than rerolling run rolls(or was it roll 3 pick the highest) but neither is particularly good.



Overall I don't think that table is flat better. Different, perhaps easier, but better? How much better?

If we're wishlisting; I'd like to see the elite wytches more like DCAs...

Don't get me wrong, the rumored changed to combat drugs are MUCH better.

Personally, I hoped they were slightly-bigger buffs given drugs are kind of the DE equivalent to the psychic phase. Especially given it's a random table, they're not all useful and you have to pay for them.

Strength and Toughness are both legit.

Funny how a FnP buff isn't part of the table since they're drug-crazed cultists rampaging wildly through the enemy and all...

 agnosto wrote:
Funny how a FnP buff isn't part of the table since they're drug-crazed cultists rampaging wildly through the enemy and all...

There was a rumor there was an item a character could carry that buffed the FNP by 1. 4+ FNP isnt too crazy, but if it rolled up to 3+ it might be kinda crazy. Particularly in combat after a 4++. That is terminator surviability against anything str5 or less.

 Exergy wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Funny how a FnP buff isn't part of the table since they're drug-crazed cultists rampaging wildly through the enemy and all...

There was a rumor there was an item a character could carry that buffed the FNP by 1. 4+ FNP isnt too crazy, but if it rolled up to 3+ it might be kinda crazy. Particularly in combat after a 4++. That is terminator surviability against anything str5 or less.

Good point

 Exergy wrote:

Other armies that can get stealth on their skimmers either have lots of twinlinked weaponry, psykic powers to increase their chance to hit, or marker lights to raise their snap shot chance.

Also DE vehicles are cheap, paying 10 points more on a 60 point model that is going to die quickly anyway it a worse investment than a holofield on a serpant that is never going to die.

Also how useful is stealth on an army that wants to fight at night anyway and will get stealth first turn anyway.

Some DE vehicles have built in 5++ saves. adding upgrades to jink on 3+ instead of 4+ is less useful if you are probably not going to jink anyway and use the 5++.

The old nightshields were great, as they gave you the option of not being hit at all by many weapons. DE are a medium ranged army and need to keep close range stuff away from them.

Though I am upset over many of the changes, the nightshield one is NOT anything I would be upset over. It is not a nerf, It is a huge BUFF.

How you ask? Well, how about the ability to NOT jink and still get a 3+ cover save? A raider/ venom behind an aegis will give that to you, EVERY ROUND, not just with nightfight.
3+, no Jink. They shoot at you, you laugh and shoot back at full ballistic skill.

behind woods? Enjoy your 4+ (the old jink) for 10 points.
How in the world is this a bad investment? 10 (or 15 as rumored) points may save your transport and all the models inside. Form me, it is an auto-include!

That means, of course, the rumor is going to be false!

Fyi you won't get a save behind an aegis as the models are too big.

 Anglacon wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

Other armies that can get stealth on their skimmers either have lots of twinlinked weaponry, psykic powers to increase their chance to hit, or marker lights to raise their snap shot chance.

Also DE vehicles are cheap, paying 10 points more on a 60 point model that is going to die quickly anyway it a worse investment than a holofield on a serpant that is never going to die.

Also how useful is stealth on an army that wants to fight at night anyway and will get stealth first turn anyway.

Some DE vehicles have built in 5++ saves. adding upgrades to jink on 3+ instead of 4+ is less useful if you are probably not going to jink anyway and use the 5++.

The old nightshields were great, as they gave you the option of not being hit at all by many weapons. DE are a medium ranged army and need to keep close range stuff away from them.

Though I am upset over many of the changes, the nightshield one is NOT anything I would be upset over. It is not a nerf, It is a huge BUFF.

How you ask? Well, how about the ability to NOT jink and still get a 3+ cover save? A raider/ venom behind an aegis will give that to you, EVERY ROUND, not just with nightfight.
3+, no Jink. They shoot at you, you laugh and shoot back at full ballistic skill.

behind woods? Enjoy your 4+ (the old jink) for 10 points.
How in the world is this a bad investment? 10 (or 15 as rumored) points may save your transport and all the models inside. Form me, it is an auto-include!

That means, of course, the rumor is going to be false!

Your crazy if you think a floating vehicle 10 feet off the ground is getting jack from a 5 foot wall. I would laugh, then I would tell you to remove your vehicle because you rolled a 4, and it was not high enough to save.

JuniorRS13 wrote:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yZxskc7izTQ/VCcXWjaQKEI/AAAAAAAAWQs/rGQymfiKf7E/s1600/5Y4Y1N2.jpg

have you guys seen this pic? it seems to show different variations of the same archon model. you can tell by the legs and cape

Both of these look so much better than the one of the WD cover.

And there is a pic of the new succubus, who also looks awesome

So good in fact that I wonder why the hell they would ever put that one in the WD as a front page model..

Isn't True Line of Sight still applicable in 7th? I'm pretty sure the skimmer abstraction no longer applies, and the physical model is the only thing that matters.

Of course, the prevalence of Markers and Serpents cancels out cover anyway.

From Warseer:
I do have a phographed version of the codex anda i can say following:
- Haywire granades only for characters
- Ravagers more expensive
- 4 weapons for Scourges
- No carabines for trueborns
- Raiders and Ravagers come with dissis. Dark lances + 5 points
- Bomber is 160 points + cost of missiles
No board or bike for Archon
Scourges: 16 points each
Incubi: 20 points, no granades
Reavers: 16 points each, can leave combat
Witches: 10 points
Kabalites: 8 points
Talos: 120, units of 1-3
Cronos: 100 units 1-3
Hemie: 70
Mandrakes: 12
Hellions: 13, no granades

Reading the codex, I have a big feeling of: WTF have you done to my army? Give me my Dark Eldar back!!!!!
No vect or AP2 for Archon (Succubus has option of a ****** AP2 weapn)
Scourges are NOT relentless
weapons for trueborns, min size 5 man squad, no carabines
wracks are elite, no improvement, 1 special weapon for every 5 models
No harlies
Court: Llamean 10, Ur ghul 15, Medusae 25, Sslyth 25

Positive things? I'm really shocked after going through this **** i'm reading now. Assualt army? Really? No granades in the assualt units. I own like 20 trueborns with carabines. ******* U GW. You have ruined my army.

Well, splinter racks work now with every splinter weapon. I can see 5 scourges with Splinter cannos on a Raider with racks, 24 twin linked poisoned shots.
Combat drugs are:
1: +1A
2: +1S
3: +1I
4: +1T
5:+1 WS
6: +1L

PFP:
Turn 1:Nothing
Turn 2: FnP 6+
Turn 3: FnP
Turn 4: Fnp, Furious Charge
Turn 5: Turn 4 + Fearless
Turn 6+: Turn 5 + Rage

Thanks to Iuchiban for posting the original.

Codex pics are leaking now....no Vect :( http://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2014/09/bye-byeasdruval-vectconfirmado.html

Wow....no haywire AND they took out shardcarbines for trueborn? That's really sad.

Nocturnus wrote:
From Warseer:
- Haywire granades only for characters
- Ravagers more expensive
- 4 weapons for Scourges
- No carabines for trueborns
- Raiders and Ravagers come with dissis. Dark lances + 5 points
- Bomber is 160 points + cost of missiles
No board or bike for Archon
Scourges: 16 points each
Incubi: 20 points, no granades
Reavers: 16 points each, can leave combat
Witches: 10 points
Kabalites: 8 points
Talos: 120, units of 1-3
Cronos: 100 units 1-3
Hemie: 70
Mandrakes: 12
Hellions: 13, no granades

Reading the codex, I have a big feeling of: WTF have you done to my army? Give me my Dark Eldar back!!!!!
No vect or AP2 for Archon (Succubus has option of a ****** AP2 weapn)
Scourges are NOT relentless
weapons for trueborns, min size 5 man squad, no carabines
wracks are elite, no improvement, 1 special weapon for every 5 models
No harlies
Court: Llamean 10, Ur ghul 15, Medusae 25, Sslyth 25

Positive things? I'm really shocked after going through this **** i'm reading now. Assualt army? Really? No granades in the assualt units. I own like 20 trueborns with carabines. ******* U GW. You have ruined my army.

Wow, what epic crap.

No haywire for wyches or trueborn?
Wyches still 10ppm. Ooo they could get +1 T and be breakable Orks with less attacks for double the cost. Ravagers more expensive and more expenisve to put dark lances on them? Dark Lances are great arent they?