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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:


FFG got bought out by Battlefront.....
.

This is not true.

At all.

FFG let the license expire. The game wasn't hitting the margins they wanted for the amount of support it required.

Eh... if anyone wants a pre-painted SSU slot, i'm probably going to have to respectfully bow out.

Keeping with my plan, I had no qualms about throwing Neal over at TWS a $300 order, which includes all the V2.0 cards and hardbound rules.

Seeing them even pre-selling those for 30% off was too tempting, knowing full well that the KS will make them full MSRP add-ons this afternoon (they've said as much).

 cincydooley wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:


FFG got bought out by Battlefront.....
.

This is not true.

At all.

FFG let the license expire. The game wasn't hitting the margins they wanted for the amount of support it required.

Which is why Battlefront paid FFG for the distribution license? Huh. Whatever you say man.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:


Which is why Battlefront paid FFG for the distribution license? Huh. Whatever you say man.

No.

The right to license is owned by Dust Studios.

FFG allowed that license to expire.

Battlefront picked it up from Dust Studios.

And a quote:

"The last year, however, as FFG experienced phenomenal growth across many of our publishing categories, it became clear that Paolo and the Dust games would be better served by a partner who specializes in the unique business of miniature games. We’re confident that Paolo’s partner choice in Battlefront Miniatures is a strong one, and we wish nothing but the best to them, to Paolo, and to the fantastic Dust fan community.”

Dust Studio 8 minutes ago
Good morning from the land of Hobbits. It is 8am and we are preparing the first update of the day. Being in New Zealand does mean our clocks are not quite in the same timezone as the US but we will be working through our day to keep the information coming.
BF is a group of businesses and brands and our DUST distribution partnership is a very, very small part of that. We agreed to help Paolo do this for his brand as we have never used KS to help us launch anything and maybe that tells you more about our business model. We generate more revenue in a single board game release or month of FOW sales than DUST is worth all year so this project is all about the DUST Studio and their needs and we as partners are doing our part to help.

See... We should be grateful that Battlefront sees fit to share their strategy of belligerence and price gouging with us Dust-playing peasants. :-p

I probably shouldn't be shocked when a wargame/boardgame company shows that they don't really understand customer service/PR...

Being transparent, I'll give them that.

And to think.... there was a time when I urgently wanted to see Battlefront's take on a 15mm version of Dust...

:-p

25 pledges for each prepainted army just went live, btw.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Dust Studio 8 minutes ago
Good morning from the land of Hobbits. It is 8am and we are preparing the first update of the day. Being in New Zealand does mean our clocks are not quite in the same timezone as the US but we will be working through our day to keep the information coming.
BF is a group of businesses and brands and our DUST distribution partnership is a very, very small part of that. We agreed to help Paolo do this for his brand as we have never used KS to help us launch anything and maybe that tells you more about our business model. We generate more revenue in a single board game release or month of FOW sales than DUST is worth all year so this project is all about the DUST Studio and their needs and we as partners are doing our part to help.

See... We should be grateful that Battlefront sees fit to share their strategy of belligerence and price gouging with us Dust-playing peasants. :-p

To me that reads as, "We don't actually trust in Dust as a brand enough to invest our money in it, but If you want to, then by all means."

And I'm totally confused. It sounds like BF is running a Kickstater for Dust Studios under the name of Dust Studios. Only it's really Battlefront who's giving all the money to Paolo. So that he can make the miniatures Battlefront doesn't want to pay for. So that Battlefront can make money selling them to the warstore. Who's selling them at 40% off of what Battlefront as Dust Studio is pre-selling them through the Kickstarter. If this makes no sense, you must acquit.

 CaulynDarr wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Dust Studio 8 minutes ago
Good morning from the land of Hobbits. It is 8am and we are preparing the first update of the day. Being in New Zealand does mean our clocks are not quite in the same timezone as the US but we will be working through our day to keep the information coming.
BF is a group of businesses and brands and our DUST distribution partnership is a very, very small part of that. We agreed to help Paolo do this for his brand as we have never used KS to help us launch anything and maybe that tells you more about our business model. We generate more revenue in a single board game release or month of FOW sales than DUST is worth all year so this project is all about the DUST Studio and their needs and we as partners are doing our part to help.

See... We should be grateful that Battlefront sees fit to share their strategy of belligerence and price gouging with us Dust-playing peasants. :-p

To me that reads as, "We don't actually trust in Dust as a brand enough to invest our money in it, but If you want to, then by all means."

And I'm totally confused. It sounds like BF is running a Kickstater for Dust Studios under the name of Dust Studios. Only it's really Battlefront who's giving all the money to Paolo. So that he can make the miniatures Battlefront doesn't want to pay for. So that Battlefront can make money selling them to the warstore. Who's selling them at 40% off of what Battlefront as Dust Studio is pre-selling them through the Kickstarter. If this makes no sense, you must acquit.

Oh, they are... People called them out on it last night, even having the "Admin" poster using Paolo Parente's image as their icon.

When you look at the payment info, you're paying Battlefront, not Dust Studios. Their name is all over everything, but this KS is absolutely lead by BF.

I guess we know exactly why FFG passed on the license which confirms the common sense speculation... it simply doesn't sell well. I don't think this KS will help that much though in the end. I don't think it'll go down in flames and unfund but I do expect it to eventually dip down in the mid campaign lull instead of plateuaing as the news of how mediocre at best the "deal" apparently is.

The second and probably the last patch of the premium sets is up and it is going away fast.

I was excited when I heard this was going to KS....then I saw the prices. The comments from the creators also did not help in the selling of this KS for me. The prices have increased and attitude has as well. I thought I had walked into GW's first KS.
I love Dust and have spent a large sum of money on all three armies. I will wait until this hits my online store, that's if Battlefront has not already created a minimum discount price for stores to sale their product like a certain company. I do not know why people are arguing with the Creators about discounts and providing them company names. I never tell people the best fishing spot unless it is among friends. You can now bet that 30 percent discount you received online will now be significantly slashed.
The prices on the troops have increased but doubt the material has. Those prices are great had they went with had plastic like GW. The bendy weapons,mold lines and often distorted faces are not worth that price.

Wow - this is kind of sad. Not personally vested, but I've been interested in the "mechs" and people have generally said good things about the quality. BF does not really come through as a sympathetic company and I cringed when I read that quote about how little money DUST makes them.

Ok, but someone is buying this stuff!?

P. T. Barnum was right!

All kidding aside, there are some freebies here, and the deal might get better as this moves along.

Granted, 4 of the first 5 fake 'stretch goals' were for paid add-ons, but, who knows?

That quote from BF... I guess silence is golden.

I'm trying to find something that would get me to spend money on this but I simply can't. A bunch of boring infantry models that may or may not be new (it's so boring I can't tell, I just instantly doze off after looking at them) and mechs that are essentially repaints of existing kits.

Where's my Japan Imperial Army? Where's my Vk? Heck, where's a proper mech for the SSU?

Hmmmmm, they are also showing the Medium Mech's at a price of $33 rrp when they just raised the price to $30. Is this another price increase fire warning? The troops have also gone up by $2 dollars. The Ally marine devil Dogs released by Battle front are $20.

His Master's Voice: I was right there with you until you said, "proper mech for SSU". :-p I play them primarily and love my junky, cobbled-together walkers. :-)

I was excited about this. Not so sure now. I have a pretty good sized Axis army, and I enjoy DUST:Warfare. I have pledged to a few KS'ers, but I can't see myself giving to this one unless stuff changes. I really don't see the point in pre-ordering this.

PomWallaby wrote:
I was suckered in by the Early Bird pledge levels (again). A free mini is a free mini but it is all too easy to slap some Early Bird deals on a project for an early spike and call a project a success.
All this Dust Kickstarter has shown me so far is just how many good deals are already out there for Dust. (Without the Kickstarter Risk).
I am going to take a rain check on this and come back in 30 days.

Oldest retail trick in the book.

Reminds me of a local FLGS retailer. He had a large travel-luggage style figure case for $220, and offers a flat 10% on all his products.

When I went to the manufacturer's website to see where else they're sold, I noticed that their MSRRP for those cases was $200....

Just as expected, the medium walkers at the battlefront store that had increased to $30 have now just been increased $33. Of course the troops have also been increased as well.

 Azazelx wrote:

PomWallaby wrote:
I was suckered in by the Early Bird pledge levels (again). A free mini is a free mini but it is all too easy to slap some Early Bird deals on a project for an early spike and call a project a success.
All this Dust Kickstarter has shown me so far is just how many good deals are already out there for Dust. (Without the Kickstarter Risk).
I am going to take a rain check on this and come back in 30 days.

Oldest retail trick in the book.

Reminds me of a local FLGS retailer. He had a large travel-luggage style figure case for $220, and offers a flat 10% on all his products.

When I went to the manufacturer's website to see where else they're sold, I noticed that their MSRRP for those cases was $200....

Better than the cafeteria shop at my friends workplace. Where they sold 1 puff for 30 cents and 3 for 1 dollar. And people still bought the 1 dollar option -_-

well, THAT explains the higher than original rrp price for the add-ons. The last update from them before closing down for the day was that the next stretch goal "allows them to drop the price" of the add-ons by 10%.

Sounds exactly like that cafeteria and shop...

Sining wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

Better than the cafeteria shop at my friends workplace. Where they sold 1 puff for 30 cents and 3 for 1 dollar. And people still bought the 1 dollar option -_-

Well, that's just people not paying attention or not caring about 10 cents. As opposed to lying about the RRP of a $200 item and then claiming to give a 10% discount on it...

I'm still on the fence with this one.

Wanted to dip my toes into the DUST universe and a KS seems a good idea to do that, but BF are making such an awful job of this - right from the off - that I probably won't touch this unless something stunning happens.

Looks like it will fund though so......

I'd recommend looking to see if you can find an older Dust Tictacs starter set in a FLGS or online store somewhere.

 Azazelx wrote:
I'd recommend looking to see if you can find an older Dust Tictacs starter set in a FLGS or online store somewhere.

Definatly this, the original boxed game was a fantastic value. I really wish I had picked up another one when they announced the newer boxed set.


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Jean the $150 armies are not starter sets really as they are new force boxes that give you $187 of new Babylon items for $150. Starter sets have rules and dice etc, so everything you need to play in them and that is what we are about to add to the pledge levels. The new $60 starter sets are just that, a hero, a unit, a walker, some dice and the new rules. $106 for $60 and themed to Babylon.

Yeyy for new math...

People always bust on the education system in the USA, but it looks like we can't even hold a candel to New Zealand...

Candle.

 Azazelx wrote:
Candle.

There is a reason why I'm an engineer and not someone that writes inteligably for a living...