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 Envihon wrote:

Kal-El wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Envihon wrote:
Well, remember we still have Brotherhood of Psykers which allowed just one psychic test for a unit and I am going to guess that isn't going to change. There might be some revisions to Brotherhood of Psykers though. Probably it will be one warp charge per unit so basically one 5-10 man group will generate one warp charge. I don't know if combat squads will effect this though.

That would make sense i guess. We'll just have to wait and see. A new GK codex would be sweet but i have a feeling thats a long time coming.

That would but hey, think about this: Terminators and Paladins with 4+ Invul save through Sanctuary.

Storm shields and the +1 invul will be tougher.

Grey Knights don't have access to Storm Shields in our codex. Only henchman ever did but they have their own codex now.

Thought so. But if you ally with Dark Angels for Azrael you could take there termies which can do the TH/SS combo if im not mistaken cast it on them and use your infinity gate to help them keep up with the rest of your army.

 Envihon wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Orks with Sanctic feels...wrong.

And they go and buff Biomancy just after giving Tyranids the fewest options for psychic abilities in the game short of not having them at all.

Feh.

Looks like humans and elves get all the goodies while the other xenos get left in the cold.

Now that I look at it, Orks only get Daemonology to which any of the two disciplines they roll any kind of doubles, they Peril...why would you do that? And why are the Tyranids absent from that chart?

Because xenos who don't look like something you'd want to have sex with can't get nice things.

 Kain wrote:

Because xenos who don't look like something you'd want to have sex with can't get nice things.

Orks

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Because xenos who don't look like something you'd want to have sex with can't get nice things.

Orks

Don't get anything but Daemonology that I don't think they can even use barring a change to how Weirdboyz work.

 Kain wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Because xenos who don't look like something you'd want to have sex with can't get nice things.

Orks

Don't get anything but Daemonology that I don't think they can even use barring a change to how Weirdboyz work.

Orcs get: Daemonology, Sanctic, Force, plus whatever powers their new codex will grant them.

 kronk wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Because xenos who don't look like something you'd want to have sex with can't get nice things.

Orks

Don't get anything but Daemonology that I don't think they can even use barring a change to how Weirdboyz work.

Orcs get: Daemonology, Sanctic, Force, plus whatever powers their new codex will grant them.

When I say Daemonology; I mean both Malefic and Sanctic. Force I believe means force weapon, which they've already had for a while.

I'm hoping for a table of gork and a table of mork, but after what they did to Tyranid psykers I'm not getting my hopes up.

Excellent. Now my Ultramarines can summon daemons, just like they do all the time in the fluff. Finally.

I see.

I agree what we'll likely see Mork/Gork, or something else. I am hoping they are better than the Tyranid powers, which I don't care for.

 Triton wrote:
Excellent. Now my Ultramarines can summon daemons, just like they do all the time in the fluff. Finally.

They're just renouncing the dark gods to accept their true spiritual liege.

 Quanar wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:
[why is that (never had one when i played eldar, just stuck to wraiths and serpent spam)

The Hemlock comes stock with a specific Psychic power from Telepathy (Terrify). Which will not exist in a week...

Where did you see that it does not exist? I see "leaked photos" of the cards, and it's certainly there.

Jump pack librarian with a squad of assault marines + force?

 Ifurita wrote:
Jump pack librarian with a squad of assault marines + force?

Do they all have force weapons?

Force as a spell is just the "activate force weapon" power that has always been around, you still need a force weapon.

 Envihon wrote:

Kal-El wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

 Guilldog wrote:

 Envihon wrote:
Well, remember we still have Brotherhood of Psykers which allowed just one psychic test for a unit and I am going to guess that isn't going to change. There might be some revisions to Brotherhood of Psykers though. Probably it will be one warp charge per unit so basically one 5-10 man group will generate one warp charge. I don't know if combat squads will effect this though.

That would make sense i guess. We'll just have to wait and see. A new GK codex would be sweet but i have a feeling thats a long time coming.

That would but hey, think about this: Terminators and Paladins with 4+ Invul save through Sanctuary.

Storm shields and the +1 invul will be tougher.

Grey Knights don't have access to Storm Shields in our codex. Only henchman ever did but they have their own codex now.

I was thinking more along just plain terminators. I got excited and forgot paladin and GK term don't get them. Good catch thank you.

 curran12 wrote:

 Ifurita wrote:
Jump pack librarian with a squad of assault marines + force?

Do they all have force weapons?

Force as a spell is just the "activate force weapon" power that has always been around, you still need a force weapon.

Darn. I mis-read the card. Oh well.

 Ifurita wrote:

 curran12 wrote:

 Ifurita wrote:
Jump pack librarian with a squad of assault marines + force?

Do they all have force weapons?

Force as a spell is just the "activate force weapon" power that has always been around, you still need a force weapon.

Darn. I mis-read the card. Oh well.

Hehe, I made the same mistake too when I first saw it.

But overall, I believe that a lot of the fears and "oh man this will be so powerful" talk will be proven wrong in practice because of the following:

1. Psychic powers are not as reliable anymore.
2. Your warp charges are not consistent.
3. There is defense against buffing spells.

Those combined I think are going to actually reduce the impact of psychic powers overall.

I agree. Psychic buffs are no longer a guaranteed (more or less), will work when I want them to.

Summon entire units of daemons... as Eldar? So that unit of 10 warlocks with 2 farseers deathstar with their 16 psychic dice can now summon units of 10 daemons every turn while still having 6 to 7 dice left over to counter enemy casts or other buffs?

Ok then, sure, why not.

So my fledgeling GK army getting buffed off the bat??

I'm seeing this:

Draigo + 10 pallies, 2 hammers, 8 swords, one sword has the narthecium. GK libby somewhere else for divination

cast forewarning > regular GK's get 4++. Draigo casts sanctuary, +1, whole unit 3++, draigo 2++. CC happens, dudes with swords get 2++, hammers stay 3++.

Im gonna have to get Draigo now (wasnt planning on it)


*edit*

Also, HOLY CRAP VORTEX OF DOOM :O If you're lucky, you can spam "vortex grenades" with a squad of interceptors.. there shall be no end to the horror!

So quick question... as "Force" is in its own school will you have to use one of your "choices" to utilize force weapons?
Additionally, if this is the case, will you be barred from getting the "free" primaris if you take a Force option?

Telepathy Primaris says roll 5D6 instead of 3D6. Am I remembering wrong? Because i quite like having that power with my command squads.

 Swastakowey wrote:
Telepathy Primaris says roll 5D6 instead of 3D6. Am I remembering wrong? Because i quite like having that power with my command squads.

5d6!?

That's a squad nuker right there.

No you have to be reading that wrong, that would be absurdly OTT.

Go back and have a look, I zoomed in and it still looks like 5 D6.

I would love to have this confirmed.

Oh wait, on other cards 3 and 5 look very similar. probably just 3D6

 Swastakowey wrote:
Go back and have a look, I zoomed in and it still looks like 5 D6.

I would love to have this confirmed.

Wat?

So the Tyranid table really is full of crappier versions of BRB powers.

God damn it.

Edit:

Oh thank god I thought GW really was dumb enough to make an already very damaging primaris power completely and utterly nuts.

Yea haha. They need to change their 3s a bit. I still see 5 when i look at it. But for now ill assume its 3.

It's 3. Better picture: http://i.imgur.com/evZuRDQ.jpg

 Swastakowey wrote:
Yea haha. They need to change their 3s a bit. I still see 5 when i look at it. But for now ill assume its 3.

5d6 psychic scream would have meant that telepathy spam would invalidate all but the largest concentrations of units with wound values.

Phew, bullet dodged.

Aw yea not only can Orks not ally with anything but they can't use most of the psychic disciplines too

Seems legit

 Dakkamite wrote:
Aw yea not only can Orks not ally with anything but they can't use most of the psychic disciplines too

Seems legit

 Kain wrote:

 Envihon wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Orks with Sanctic feels...wrong.

And they go and buff Biomancy just after giving Tyranids the fewest options for psychic abilities in the game short of not having them at all.

Feh.

Looks like humans and elves get all the goodies while the other xenos get left in the cold.

Now that I look at it, Orks only get Daemonology to which any of the two disciplines they roll any kind of doubles, they Peril...why would you do that? And why are the Tyranids absent from that chart?

Because xenos who don't look like something you'd want to have sex with can't get nice things.

There's your reason.

 Kain wrote:
Orks with Sanctic feels...wrong.
.

That is what jumps out at you? Not CSM with Sanctic and Eldar with Malefic?


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 kronk wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Because xenos who don't look like something you'd want to have sex with can't get nice things.

Orks

Don't get anything but Daemonology that I don't think they can even use barring a change to how Weirdboyz work.

Orcs get: Daemonology, Sanctic, Force, plus whatever powers their new codex will grant them.

how many orks run around with force weapons?

 Exergy wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Orks with Sanctic feels...wrong.
.

That is what jumps out at you? Not CSM with Sanctic and Eldar with Malefic?


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 kronk wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Tactical_Genius wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Because xenos who don't look like something you'd want to have sex with can't get nice things.

Orks

Don't get anything but Daemonology that I don't think they can even use barring a change to how Weirdboyz work.

Orcs get: Daemonology, Sanctic, Force, plus whatever powers their new codex will grant them.

how many orks run around with force weapons?

To be honest the restrictions on who gets what table to roll on only seems to serve to further imbalance the game by completely screwing over some armies (Tyranids) while lathering others with love (Guard).