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You could always move sideways and then pivot afterwards...

I'm not 100% sure that would justify using the term 'hull' instead of 'base' in all instances but I won't argue it without having the rules. I'll let Rigeld2 do that if he's so inclined . If that is true however it is a big nerf for the longer vehicles (Raiders, Ghost Arks, Battlewagons) meaning they would lose distance while turning whereas shorter vehicles would not.

 Ghaz wrote:
I'm not 100% sure that would justify using the term 'hull' instead of 'base' in all instances but I won't argue it without having the rules. I'll let Rigeld2 do that if he's so inclined . If that is true however it is a big nerf for the longer vehicles (Raiders, Ghost Arks, Battlewagons) meaning they would lose distance while turning whereas shorter vehicles would not.

VEHICLES & MEASURING DISTANCES

As vehicle models do not usually have bases, the normal rule of measuring distances to or from a base cannot be used. Instead, for distances involving a vehicle, measure to and from their hull, ignore gun barrels, dozer blades, antennas, banners and other decorative elements.

Does not matter because those rules are part of the turning to face portion of the movement rules, which are replaced by the vehicles version(which is lacking such a caveat.)

Pivoting with any non-square, non-circular vehicle will always change the distance between the vehicle unit and any point on the table.

Did anyone mention the changes to Strikedown? It no longer halves Initiative and can now affect Monstrous Creatures.

Also, the first-post summary has the changes to Smash listed twice.

What about the fact that IC's no longer have the rtestriction preventing them from joining a unit that consist's of only 1 model?

Am I wrong or did I not see that restriction anymore?

optimusprime14 wrote:
What about the fact that IC's no longer have the rtestriction preventing them from joining a unit that consist's of only 1 model?

Am I wrong or did I not see that restriction anymore?

The only unit that effects that I can think of off the top of my head is mephiston.

So no real change there, just the no MCs rule.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Did anyone mention the changes to Strikedown? It no longer halves Initiative and can now affect Monstrous Creatures.

Also, the first-post summary has the changes to Smash listed twice.

Thanks!

Celtic Strike, I didn't see this posted in the OP:

Witchfire psy powers are shot in the Psy-Phase ... which then allows the Psykers to shoot other toys in the Shooting Phase.

I just saw this, and realized that Libbies & Destructor equipped Warlocks and goodness knows who else in the various 'dexes have had their shooting increased by quite a bit.

Smite, Destructor, VortexOfDoom, what have you, in the Psy-Phase, then shoot a gun, pistol or bolter and maybe assault.

Nice.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

optimusprime14 wrote:
What about the fact that IC's no longer have the rtestriction preventing them from joining a unit that consist's of only 1 model?

Am I wrong or did I not see that restriction anymore?

The only unit that effects that I can think of off the top of my head is mephiston.

And Assassins.

 insaniak wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

optimusprime14 wrote:
What about the fact that IC's no longer have the rtestriction preventing them from joining a unit that consist's of only 1 model?

Am I wrong or did I not see that restriction anymore?

The only unit that effects that I can think of off the top of my head is mephiston.

And Assassins.

Plus it denies Tau IC's joining vehicles and the Riptide now, no more drone grey area sillyness

 insaniak wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

optimusprime14 wrote:
What about the fact that IC's no longer have the rtestriction preventing them from joining a unit that consist's of only 1 model?

Am I wrong or did I not see that restriction anymore?

The only unit that effects that I can think of off the top of my head is mephiston.

And Assassins.

And the Sanguinor, Death Company Tycho, Decapitator, Castellan Crowe and Grand Master Mordrak IIRC.

Leerjawise wrote:
Plus it denies Tau IC's joining vehicles and the Riptide now, no more drone grey area sillyness

They couldn't join vehicles last edition either.

 insaniak wrote:

Leerjawise wrote:
Plus it denies Tau IC's joining vehicles and the Riptide now, no more drone grey area sillyness

They couldn't join vehicles last edition either.

They couldn't join SQUADRONS of vehicles or units that are always 1 model. With drones, Tau vehicles and the Riptide fell through the technical cracks, though I never saw it abused.

Leerjawise wrote:
. With drones, Tau vehicles and the Riptide fell through the technical cracks, though I never saw it abused.

Riptides didn't fall through a 'technical crack' any more than any other unit that had access to multiple models did.

Tau vehicles with drones were never more than one model, because the drones didn't count as separate models until they disembarked.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
I'm not 100% sure that would justify using the term 'hull' instead of 'base' in all instances but I won't argue it without having the rules. I'll let Rigeld2 do that if he's so inclined . If that is true however it is a big nerf for the longer vehicles (Raiders, Ghost Arks, Battlewagons) meaning they would lose distance while turning whereas shorter vehicles would not.

VEHICLES & MEASURING DISTANCES

As vehicle models do not usually have bases, the normal rule of measuring distances to or from a base cannot be used. Instead, for distances involving a vehicle, measure to and from their hull, ignore gun barrels, dozer blades, antennas, banners and other decorative elements.

Does not matter because those rules are part of the turning to face portion of the movement rules, which are replaced by the vehicles version(which is lacking such a caveat.)

Pivoting with any non-square, non-circular vehicle will always change the distance between the vehicle unit and any point on the table.

Did you not read this.

"Pivoting is always done from the centre of a vehicle to prevent it from accidentally moving further than intended or allowed."

Doesn't this tell us that we still cannot move a vehicle further than its limit, i.e. 12" for a landraider. But by deploying sideways, then pivoting and moving a full 12" I have actually moved an extra 1" or 2", therefore moving further than allowed.

Where does it say that Cover is granted against Grav Weapons? I couldn't find it in the Vehicle section or the Graviton section.

(Since both the 'Cover Saves' and 'Invulnerable Saves' sections both require a glance or penetrating hit to occur for a vehicle to be able to claim either; I'm just trying to find it so I can pull it out for later use, even though I myself use Grav Guns.)

 IXLoiero95XI wrote:
Did you not read this.

"Pivoting is always done from the centre of a vehicle to prevent it from accidentally moving further than intended or allowed."

Doesn't this tell us that we still cannot move a vehicle further than its limit, i.e. 12" for a landraider. But by deploying sideways, then pivoting and moving a full 12" I have actually moved an extra 1" or 2", therefore moving further than allowed.

Except you haven't, because the pivoting doesn't count towards your movement.

The alternative leads to a rhino that wants to pivot 180 degrees and then move off having already 'moved' its own length before it even starts moving.


Yes, being able to 'gain' movement distance by pivoting seems, on the surface, to be a little dodgy. But it's how vehicles have worked since the start of 3rd edition. 7th edition hasn't changed it.

Where does it say that Cover is granted against Grav Weapons? I couldn't find it in the Vehicle section or the Graviton section.

(Since both the 'Cover Saves' and 'Invulnerable Saves' sections both require a glance or penetrating hit to occur for a vehicle to be able to claim either; I'm just trying to find it so I can pull it out for later use, even though I myself use Grav Guns.)

Pg. 77 Vehicles and Cover- Obscured Targets: 4th Bullet Down.

 Brothererekose wrote:
Celtic Strike, I didn't see this posted in the OP:

Witchfire psy powers are shot in the Psy-Phase ... which then allows the Psykers to shoot other toys in the Shooting Phase.

I just saw this, and realized that Libbies & Destructor equipped Warlocks and goodness knows who else in the various 'dexes have had their shooting increased by quite a bit.

Smite, Destructor, VortexOfDoom, what have you, in the Psy-Phase, then shoot a gun, pistol or bolter and maybe assault.

Nice.

Thanks but I said I wasn't including anything to do with the Psy phase as I was sure there would be endless debate on that change.

 Ghaz wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

optimusprime14 wrote:
What about the fact that IC's no longer have the rtestriction preventing them from joining a unit that consist's of only 1 model?

Am I wrong or did I not see that restriction anymore?

The only unit that effects that I can think of off the top of my head is mephiston.

And Assassins.

And the Sanguinor, Death Company Tycho, Decapitator, Castellan Crowe and Grand Master Mordrak IIRC.

But most importantly, a model with the Mantle of the Laughing God.

Rending was changed, to my knowledge.
A rending hit no longer counts as AP 2 against a vehicle, only adds a d3 to the penetration roll.

Last edition we could run a complete 2nd force org of the primary's faction if we played above 2k+ points. Do we still have this option? Or are we stuck with these tiny secondary detachments?

Outflanking- can you assault out of outflanking? I haven't heard yet if this has changed.

Unseeablething wrote:
Rending was changed, to my knowledge.
A rending hit no longer counts as AP 2 against a vehicle, only adds a d3 to the penetration roll.

It wasn't AP2 in 6th edition either. Wounds were AP2, but hits on vehicles weren't wounds.

Col. Dash wrote:
Last edition we could run a complete 2nd force org of the primary's faction if we played above 2k+ points. Do we still have this option? Or are we stuck with these tiny secondary detachments?

Outflanking- can you assault out of outflanking? I haven't heard yet if this has changed.

yes, you can run as many CA detachments as you want, they can all be from either the same faction, all different factions(The allied detachment is just for a different FOC and can never be the same faction as your primary detachment), or a mix of the 2.

No, you cannot assault after coming in from reserves

Col. Dash wrote:
Last edition we could run a complete 2nd force org of the primary's faction if we played above 2k+ points. Do we still have this option? Or are we stuck with these tiny secondary detachments?

You can now take as many combined arms detachments as you want at any points level.

It seems that allied detachments only exist to give you the option of buying one less troop choice if you only want a small number of units from one faction.

Warlord doesn't have to be HQ, or highest leadership. If someone manages a list devoid of characters (looking you you Niddies) then.... Tyrannofex warlord?
If it's not a character however, they also don't get WL traits (Because Nid's love their WL traits....... ...)

Col. Dash wrote:
Last edition we could run a complete 2nd force org of the primary's faction if we played above 2k+ points.

Battle Forged = take as many as you want at any points level. Doesn't even have to be the same army.

rigeld2 wrote:

Unseeablething wrote:
Rending was changed, to my knowledge.
A rending hit no longer counts as AP 2 against a vehicle, only adds a d3 to the penetration roll.

It wasn't AP2 in 6th edition either. Wounds were AP2, but hits on vehicles weren't wounds.

Oh, then they did a good job clarifying it. My bad.

Yeah, unlimited Detachments is not going to work for Tourneys

Deep striking vehicles now count as moving at combat speed not cruising speed.

You might actually see a Deathwind Missile Launcher.