The Others 7 Sins CMON Studio McVey + Guillotine Games KS @ $685K - APOCALYPSE UPDATE on Pg.27

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**Nostromodamus**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Oh, boy, we're getting a dice bag! <.<

Yay!

Oh well, better to get the less exciting stuff out of the way first I guess.

**cincydooley**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Oh, boy, we're getting a dice bag! <.<

Yes, we know that you're not interested in the game.

It's a nice little add on for people that are interested in the game.

**Alpharius**

The first 'stretch goal' is a given anyway.

Though it would have been good to also list the next few goals right now too, as surely they'll be met quite quickly.

**Nostromodamus**

Alpharius wrote:
The first 'stretch goal' is a given anyway.

Though it would have been good to also list the next few goals right now too, as surely they'll be met quite quickly.

Would be nice to have the SG list up when the project launches, at least the first few. But they never do, because reasons...

**endtransmission**

This one means we only get two of each sculpt in the box instead of three.

**Alpharius**

I like the mix of 'fake' and 'real' stretch goals!

One certainly softens the blow from the other!

**cincydooley**

Alex C wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
The first 'stretch goal' is a given anyway.

Though it would have been good to also list the next few goals right now too, as surely they'll be met quite quickly.

Would be nice to have the SG list up when the project launches, at least the first few. But they never do, because reasons...

There have been a bunch of examples of ones that posted out way too far and had a little egg on the face when the campaign didn't reach them (or get close).

Is it uncommon to not list all of yours right away?

**JohnHwangDD**

Yay for the fake $150k SG that the CMoN apologist claims CMoN doesn't do.

If they keep adding KS-exclusive Heroes, there might even be enough good-looking ones to actually play the game.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Last one I remember having stretches laid out well in advance for backers to see was Rivet Wars.

It's been a while since that was the norm.

**Undead_Love-Machine**

Hmmm, I thought that CMON didn't do fake stretch goals anymore?

Is Adrian supposed to be a "not" someone? he looks kinda familiar.

**JohnHwangDD**

It's fine to hold back on some SG reveals, but CMoN should have had the first 3 or 4 up on the main page when the KS opened, to get the campaign through the first $200k or so.

**DaveC**

Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Hmmm, I thought that CMON didn't do fake stretch goals anymore?

Is Adrian supposed to be a "not" someone? he looks kinda familiar.

Adrian is Adrian Smith the lead artist

**Nostromodamus**

cincydooley wrote:
Alex C wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
The first 'stretch goal' is a given anyway.

Though it would have been good to also list the next few goals right now too, as surely they'll be met quite quickly.

Would be nice to have the SG list up when the project launches, at least the first few. But they never do, because reasons...

There have been a bunch of examples of ones that posted out way too far and had a little egg on the face when the campaign didn't reach them (or get close).

Is it uncommon to not list all of yours right away?

That's why I said "at least the first few".

Unless you think a CMON project won't hit the first few, for some reason

It would certainly help in the initial rush, as they always claim to be snowed under and surprised by the massive amounts of cash they rake in.

But like I said, they never show any SG list to start, which leads to dubious speculation as to why that is...

**endtransmission**

DaveC wrote:
Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Hmmm, I thought that CMON didn't do fake stretch goals anymore?

Is Adrian supposed to be a "not" someone? he looks kinda familiar.

Adrian is Adrian Smith the lead artist

It also looks a bit like Adrian's character, Bones, in his Zombicide Artist box, which I suspect is also based on himself. The second goal is unlocked. Onto Adrian

**overtyrant**

I thought this game was about the 7 sins not 2?

**Nostromodamus**

overtyrant wrote:
I thought this game was about the 7 sins not 2?

Gotta leave something for the stretch goals/add ons.

**cincydooley**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Yay for the fake $150k SG that the CMoN apologist claims CMoN doesn't do.

If they keep adding KS-exclusive Heroes, there might even be enough good-looking ones to actually play the game.

For many there are plenty already. And the game is by a pretty popular designer.

Sadly, no minis only pledge. Whatever will we do?!

**Bioptic**

I am much, much happier with artist self-inserts than pop culture parodies, so this is all to the good! And Adrian Smith has certainly earned it, given his body of work.

**JohnHwangDD**

I'm not huge on these vanity sculpts. Rick Priestly's using Beyond the Gates of Antares to commission a vanity likeness as a special backer "reward" was particularly egregious.

**highlord tamburlaine**

Adrian looks like Ope from Sons of Anarchy, regardless of whether it's based on Smith himself.

**cincydooley**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
I'm not huge on these vanity sculpts. Rick Priestly's using Beyond the Gates of Antares to commission a vanity likeness as a special backer "reward" was particularly egregious.

There are lots of things you seem to dislike. Maybe this KS just isn't for you!

**spiralingcadaver**

Bioptic wrote:
I am much, much happier with artist self-inserts than pop culture parodies, so this is all to the good! And Adrian Smith has certainly earned it, given his body of work.

+1. There are very few pop culture thingies I've liked- I prefer the much more direct and directly crediting inserts and cross-overs, unless there's something really special there.

**overtyrant**

Alex C wrote:
overtyrant wrote:
I thought this game was about the 7 sins not 2?

Gotta leave something for the stretch goals/add ons.

Shouldn't they be part of the base game though and the initial funding? Wouldn't mind it being a stretch goal but not an add on.

**Alpharius**

I think we've already learned that there will only ever be one Sin in play at a time, right?

I'm betting a fair few Sins will get added in via 'stretch goal' and maybe some will also be add-ons.

**cincydooley**

Alpharius wrote:
I think we've already learned that there will only ever be one Sin in play at a time, right?

I'm betting a fair few Sins will get added in via 'stretch goal' and maybe some will also be add-ons.

That's correct. Each Sin has a unique playstyle, that can then be augmented by the acolytes you choose. This is further variable with the selected story. It creates a bit of a sandbox where, out of the box, you have 50+ overall combinations for a game.

**endtransmission**

Bing. Adrian unlocked, lets see what comes next...

I'm liking the Hell Club models, so hopefully we'll get some more of those as optional enemies

The Bank - It is an interesting fact that the Bank is one of the most corrupt places in the city. It has 2 permanent Corruption tokens on it, so Heroes need to be very desperate to venture into this place. However, the Bank has money, and money makes the world go round. Heroes taking City Actions in the Bank can get two new Upgrade cards, as well as call in an Orbital Strike (can you say Pew Pew?).

The Casino - Surprisingly less corrupt than the Bank, the Casino is still a nasty place to enter, with its permanent Corruption token and permanent Nest where monsters may spawn. Still, it might be worth it to take a chance and visit the Casino to get an Extra Turn and a juicy Upgrade card.

**JohnHwangDD**

Suh-weet! Another fake SG! :lol:

And yeah, hoping for many more Hellfire Club models.

**Alpharius**

"Fake Stretch Goals" are what they are.

It is starting to feel like complaining about them is 'Fake Post Count Padding"!

**JohnHwangDD**

The fake SGs would be far less interesting if CMoN's #1 fan hadn't claimed that CMoN didn't do that anymore...

Having thrown down the gauntlet, I think it behooves us to remind him of this fact until such time that he acknowledges that CMoN continues to use such tactics in their KS, never having stopped doing so.

**ced1106**

I never understood this "fake stretch goals" comment. It's subjective what you expect and don't expect for your money. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I didn't fund Dungeon Saga because I wanted more for $100, and plenty of BGG'ers were unhappy about Dark Darker Darkest's SG's.

Anyway, I'm free not to pay attention to your comments, either, so that's that.