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Alright guys. The Rune Priest got nerfed, HARD. Here is the link to the Space Wolves 7th edition FAQ:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/Space_Wolves_v1.0_May14.pdf

Personally, I feel like this is not a good move. What was the ultimate f you to psykers is now gone. I would have loved to drop a drop pod with a couple of these bad boys in on my opponents Daemon psyker bubble. Especially with the new allies chart, it would have made for a good anti psychic defense. Unfortunately, not only I, but everyone else will also miss out on this. Now I also question, what do SW have at all now? There is no more JOTWW either. So what do you think? Should the RP have been left like it was? Was this nerf necessary? Or could it have been good to balance out the psyker based meta that is possibly arising now? Let me know with your comments and please vote above. Thanks.

Considering that after the nerf to psychic hoods it was by far the most powerful psychic defense in the game for zero cost increase and for no rational reason, I'm fine without it turned out, and, aside from a couple of powers (invisibility and summoning spells) there wasn't anything that warranted such a powerful counter, especially for armies that only brought light or moderate psychic support. It was simply a relic of 5th edition that hadn't yet been brought in line with newer mechanics.

Nobody is going to shed too many tears for JotWW either.

Your post isn't a poll, there's nowhere to vote.

But... GW needs to decide (and apparently has) on what Rune Priests are. In previous editions of the game, they were Druids, worshipping the "natural forces" of Fenris and being what was basically sorcerers while also, out of the other side of their mouths, gakking on the Thousand Sons for doing what is basically the exact same thing.

Now? Now they are the Librarians with funny names that they always should have been, unless you really want your Wolves to be uber-hypocrites. If you like your SW to be the good guys in the fight against the 1KS, then you gotta have RP who are just Librarians under a different name. None of this nature-worshipping, Viking Druid BS, because that's sorcery and should get Fenris burned to a cinder for blasphemy.

Mephiston would like to speak to you for a moment.

Bad comparison I know but I feel your pain. Losing codex powers sucks hard, but I've honestly kind of enjoyed using the tables...for now.

 Commander_Farsight wrote:
Alright guys. The Rune Priest got nerfed, HARD. Here is the link to the Space Wolves 7th edition FAQ:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/Space_Wolves_v1.0_May14.pdf

Personally, I feel like this is not a good move. What was the ultimate f you to psykers is now gone. I would have loved to drop a drop pod with a couple of these bad boys in on my opponents Daemon psyker bubble. Especially with the new allies chart, it would have made for a good anti psychic defense. Unfortunately, not only I, but everyone else will also miss out on this. Now I also question, what do SW have at all now? There is no more JOTWW either. So what do you think? Should the RP have been left like it was? Was this nerf necessary? Or could it have been good to balance out the psyker based meta that is possibly arising now? Let me know with your comments and please vote above. Thanks.

That would have been 200+ points a piece that you would have dropped on your enemy deployment zone that would have died with out achieving anything.

Yes, it should have been nerfed. It was clearly a 5th edition relic that didn't fit GW's new concept for psykers (specifically, making it much harder to shut them down), and everyone with any sense knew that it was going to disappear along with all the other 5th edition psychic defense. The only reason it wasn't already nerfed was that SW didn't get a 6th edition codex, so this is just a case of GW deciding not to wait until the next codex to update it.

 Peregrine wrote:
Yes, it should have been nerfed. It was clearly a 5th edition relic that didn't fit GW's new concept for psykers (specifically, making it much harder to shut them down), and everyone with any sense knew that it was going to disappear along with all the other 5th edition psychic defense. The only reason it wasn't already nerfed was that SW didn't get a 6th edition codex, so this is just a case of GW deciding not to wait until the next codex to update it.

So what about BA? I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but I do share the plight. Don't get me wrong, SW fared far better in 6th than BA but you can't deny both of them were hit pretty hard in specific areas. It took away an important edge, however insignificant, away from armies already struggling.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Considering that after the nerf to psychic hoods it was by far the most powerful psychic defense in the game for zero cost increase and for no rational reason, I'm fine without it turned out, and, aside from a couple of powers (invisibility and summoning spells) there wasn't anything that warranted such a powerful counter, especially for armies that only brought light or moderate psychic support. It was simply a relic of 5th edition that hadn't yet been brought in line with newer mechanics.

Nobody is going to shed too many tears for JotWW either.

Zero cost increase? Librarians cost 35 points less.
Regardless, in the new edition, Psychic Hoods are significantly better than Runic Weapons. Runic Weapons now give Admantium Will by any other name, and only effect the unit that the Rune Priest is in, which is crap.
Why couldn't it have been something like this? 'If an enemy model manifests a Psychic power within 24" of a model with a Runic Weapon, add +1 to the Deny The Witch roll. This includes Blessings, Conjuration, etc.' (Only more eloquent in GW-speak.) That way, you incorporate it into the new psychic mechanics without nerfing it into the ground so hard that it is nearly worthless.

If having the best denial psykers in the game is a nerf.....

Quit whining and go try them out. Endurance is hilarious on bloodclaws.....

In a word YESSSS!!!!!
That said with the loss of the Eldar board wide psychic stopping powers I a surprised that the Rune staff lasted this long.

 sfshilo wrote:
If having the best denial psykers in the game is a nerf.....

Quit whining and go try them out. Endurance is hilarious on bloodclaws.....

The best denial psykers? In what way? +1 to DTW. Meh. Mehmehmeh. MEH. Admantium Will does that. And is easy to get. Sure, you can ally someone in and get Admantium Will on top of Runic Weapons, but I'd much rather have a 12" bubble of +1 to all my guys. (Or +2 if your librarian is a higher mastery level.)

Waaaghpower wrote:

 sfshilo wrote:
If having the best denial psykers in the game is a nerf.....

Quit whining and go try them out. Endurance is hilarious on bloodclaws.....

The best denial psykers? In what way? +1 to DTW. Meh. Mehmehmeh. MEH. Admantium Will does that. And is easy to get. Sure, you can ally someone in and get Admantium Will on top of Runic Weapons, but I'd much rather have a 12" bubble of +1 to all my guys. (Or +2 if your librarian is a higher mastery level.)

Yeah...that is my point.
The 12 inch bubble was nuts witheverything else they bring to the table.

GO LOOK AT THE DANG BRB POWERS. I have this same problem with my bro who plays pups. You are all so damn dependent you have no clue how strong the other stuff is.

Rune Priests don't get the 12" bubble of +1 to nearby guys. That's the Psychic hood, sfshillo, so what the hell are you on about? And I've looked at the rulebook powers. Endurance is good, if you can get it off. Everything else from Biomancy is mediocre at best on a Rune Priest. And all the other charts can be used for cheaper by other psykers. Give me one real reason why Rune Priests should cost 50% more than Librarians.

When did Space Wolves go from raving viking lunatics who excelled in a brutal close quarters style of combat evolve to anti-psyker specialists? I always hated that about their 5th edition codex. They became known as the ultimate psychic force of the space marines which so flies in the face of their fluff.

I never used Jaws, but I loved Living Lightning, Storm Caller, and Murderous Hurricane.

I'm frustrated that Games Workshop will take the time to remove abilities, rules, and special rules from models with FAQs and NOT adjust their points value. If you're gonna poo on the Rune Priest, at least put him inline with every other Librarian out right now.

It's like my Brotherhood Banner for my paladins. If you're gonna nerf half the reason I took the damn thing, at least give me half the points back. Or give me something new like "If the Brotherhood Banner is still raised high, enemies may not attempt to deny the activation of this units force weapons."

It's like, no, we intended for that piece of wargear, character, or unit to be overcosted garbage.

I'll pour one out for Mephiston fans. He used to be such a boss in 5E. How far has he fallen in just barely 2 years...

Think it's the rune priests that help the space wolves out that start losing control of the canis gene. They bring them back to humanity. Fluff aside...

No GW should not have FAQed the rune priests and taking space wolf codex powers. These powers kept space wolves in the fight esp when fighting a triple riptide or tryanids player.

What can SW do now that any other power armor faction can't do, but better? Pretty much nothing, and now with nyjal at level 2, and not know codex powers...he's just as bad.

Hope we get an update soon or I'm gonna have to melt my wolves back into plastic lumps. GW better stick with the bipedal werewolf route too!! So bad ass.

Waaaghpower wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Considering that after the nerf to psychic hoods it was by far the most powerful psychic defense in the game for zero cost increase and for no rational reason, I'm fine without it turned out, and, aside from a couple of powers (invisibility and summoning spells) there wasn't anything that warranted such a powerful counter, especially for armies that only brought light or moderate psychic support. It was simply a relic of 5th edition that hadn't yet been brought in line with newer mechanics.

Nobody is going to shed too many tears for JotWW either.

Zero cost increase? Librarians cost 35 points less.

I thought they were Level 2 Psykers (since they used to come with 2 powers), apparently they are not. My mistake there

 Vaktathi wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Considering that after the nerf to psychic hoods it was by far the most powerful psychic defense in the game for zero cost increase and for no rational reason, I'm fine without it turned out, and, aside from a couple of powers (invisibility and summoning spells) there wasn't anything that warranted such a powerful counter, especially for armies that only brought light or moderate psychic support. It was simply a relic of 5th edition that hadn't yet been brought in line with newer mechanics.

Nobody is going to shed too many tears for JotWW either.

Zero cost increase? Librarians cost 35 points less.

I thought they were Level 2 Psykers (since they used to come with 2 powers), apparently they are not. My mistake there

If they were base ML2 with an option for ML3 for +50 points, they would have been beasts of 6th ed and quite good still in 7th. The 'Have 2 Psychic powers, use 1' thing is a holdover from the way 5th Edition Marines worked for everyone. It meant you could have a nice variety of uses, making your Psyker a Jack-of-all-Trades, without giving him too much strength. (Unless you paid for it.)

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Yes, it should have been nerfed. It was clearly a 5th edition relic that didn't fit GW's new concept for psykers (specifically, making it much harder to shut them down), and everyone with any sense knew that it was going to disappear along with all the other 5th edition psychic defense. The only reason it wasn't already nerfed was that SW didn't get a 6th edition codex, so this is just a case of GW deciding not to wait until the next codex to update it.

So what about BA? I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but I do share the plight. Don't get me wrong, SW fared far better in 6th than BA but you can't deny both of them were hit pretty hard in specific areas. It took away an important edge, however insignificant, away from armies already struggling.

I would agree with that. I do believe that it is unfair for armies to become somewhat nullified. BA have not fared well in 6th edition and I think it is a bit early to make a sure judgment about them in 7th, but it doesn't look like it is going to get much better.




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 Psienesis wrote:
Your post isn't a poll, there's nowhere to vote.

But... GW needs to decide (and apparently has) on what Rune Priests are. In previous editions of the game, they were Druids, worshipping the "natural forces" of Fenris and being what was basically sorcerers while also, out of the other side of their mouths, gakking on the Thousand Sons for doing what is basically the exact same thing.

Now? Now they are the Librarians with funny names that they always should have been, unless you really want your Wolves to be uber-hypocrites. If you like your SW to be the good guys in the fight against the 1KS, then you gotta have RP who are just Librarians under a different name. None of this nature-worshipping, Viking Druid BS, because that's sorcery and should get Fenris burned to a cinder for blasphemy.

Updated, there is a poll now. I do agree with what you have said about GW making up their minds. I guess they decided to give up so they wouldn't be seen so much anymore? I don't really have a good explanation.


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Kal-El wrote:
Think it's the rune priests that help the space wolves out that start losing control of the canis gene. They bring them back to humanity. Fluff aside...

No GW should not have FAQed the rune priests and taking space wolf codex powers. These powers kept space wolves in the fight esp when fighting a triple riptide or tryanids player.

What can SW do now that any other power armor faction can't do, but better? Pretty much nothing, and now with nyjal at level 2, and not know codex powers...he's just as bad.

Hope we get an update soon or I'm gonna have to melt my wolves back into plastic lumps. GW better stick with the bipedal werewolf route too!! So bad ass.

Your post is the embodiment of how I feel too. I don't think it is fair, and to me it almost feels like GW is trying to tailor a "meta". They want to sell more Daemons? Make 7th somewhat Daemon centric. I would say that there are a few armies that are really out of it, no matter what their enthusiasts can say about it. Now SW can be added to the list along with the likes of BA. I would hope that they get an update soon too just because I would like to see a 40k where everyone can go up against everyone else. If a BA player can go toe to toe with a tournament Daemons list. I'm not trying to say its impossible or that BA players have no skill, but just trying to give an example of how different it can be for armies and how much of an up hill battle it can be from just what army you play, that seems wrong to me.


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 ClassicCarraway wrote:
When did Space Wolves go from raving viking lunatics who excelled in a brutal close quarters style of combat evolve to anti-psyker specialists? I always hated that about their 5th edition codex. They became known as the ultimate psychic force of the space marines which so flies in the face of their fluff.

If anything GKs should have had something like the Rune Priest IMO

There needs to be a middle ground for the poll. The Rune Priest was too powerful at Psychic Defense, amd Jaws was a little ridiculous, but the nerf they took was WAY more than nescessary. It's like replacing a Storm Shield with a thin rectangle of Balsa.

xxvaderxx wrote:

 Commander_Farsight wrote:
Alright guys. The Rune Priest got nerfed, HARD. Here is the link to the Space Wolves 7th edition FAQ:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/Warhammer-40k/7th-faq/Space_Wolves_v1.0_May14.pdf

Personally, I feel like this is not a good move. What was the ultimate f you to psykers is now gone. I would have loved to drop a drop pod with a couple of these bad boys in on my opponents Daemon psyker bubble. Especially with the new allies chart, it would have made for a good anti psychic defense. Unfortunately, not only I, but everyone else will also miss out on this. Now I also question, what do SW have at all now? There is no more JOTWW either. So what do you think? Should the RP have been left like it was? Was this nerf necessary? Or could it have been good to balance out the psyker based meta that is possibly arising now? Let me know with your comments and please vote above. Thanks.

That would have been 200+ points a piece that you would have dropped on your enemy deployment zone that would have died with out achieving anything.

Well if you are playing Tau like I do, then it would be great to have one turn of shooting that ignores what psychic powers I would normally have to deal with. An invisible Grimoire Daemon Prince, well how about my Bursttide and Iontide just blew you to bits. It was not intended to be so ground breaking you would win the game, but merely provided another target that your opponent would have to deal with fast, and also try to get you an early game advantage. I think that not achieving anything is a bit explicit in this sense.


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Waaaghpower wrote:
There needs to be a middle ground for the poll. The Rune Priest was too powerful at Psychic Defense, amd Jaws was a little ridiculous, but the nerf they took was WAY more than nescessary. It's like replacing a Storm Shield with a thin rectangle of Balsa.

Will do. I hope my mid ground for the poll is satisfactory, let me know. I agree. Why does everything have to be so big or radical with GW these days?

I'm sure space wolves will get a new codex soonish. Honestly, I imagine after orks, blood angels and space wolves are going to be the high priority new codexes. given that necrons and dark eldar are in a better place, (and in DEs case, less popular)

I'd not be suprised to see space wolves in november honestly, to try to spearhead 40k christmas sales

 Vaktathi wrote:
Considering that after the nerf to psychic hoods it was by far the most powerful psychic defense in the game for zero cost increase and for no rational reason, I'm fine without it turned out, and, aside from a couple of powers (invisibility and summoning spells) there wasn't anything that warranted such a powerful counter, especially for armies that only brought light or moderate psychic support. It was simply a relic of 5th edition that hadn't yet been brought in line with newer mechanics.

Nobody is going to shed too many tears for JotWW either.

This.

Now the Rune Priest is line with other psykers of the Imperium.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Considering that after the nerf to psychic hoods it was by far the most powerful psychic defense in the game for zero cost increase and for no rational reason, I'm fine without it turned out, and, aside from a couple of powers (invisibility and summoning spells) there wasn't anything that warranted such a powerful counter, especially for armies that only brought light or moderate psychic support. It was simply a relic of 5th edition that hadn't yet been brought in line with newer mechanics.

Nobody is going to shed too many tears for JotWW either.

This.

Now the Rune Priest is line with other psykers of the Imperium.

If by 'In line with' you mean "Costs 50% more with no discernable benefits, advantages, or unique elements.'

Waaaghpower wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Considering that after the nerf to psychic hoods it was by far the most powerful psychic defense in the game for zero cost increase and for no rational reason, I'm fine without it turned out, and, aside from a couple of powers (invisibility and summoning spells) there wasn't anything that warranted such a powerful counter, especially for armies that only brought light or moderate psychic support. It was simply a relic of 5th edition that hadn't yet been brought in line with newer mechanics.

Nobody is going to shed too many tears for JotWW either.

This.

Now the Rune Priest is line with other psykers of the Imperium.

If by 'In line with' you mean "Costs 50% more with no discernable benefits, advantages, or unique elements.'

This is not a problem that is unique to the Rune Priest as there are other overcosted models/units out there.

Waaaghpower wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Considering that after the nerf to psychic hoods it was by far the most powerful psychic defense in the game for zero cost increase and for no rational reason, I'm fine without it turned out, and, aside from a couple of powers (invisibility and summoning spells) there wasn't anything that warranted such a powerful counter, especially for armies that only brought light or moderate psychic support. It was simply a relic of 5th edition that hadn't yet been brought in line with newer mechanics.

Nobody is going to shed too many tears for JotWW either.

This.

Now the Rune Priest is line with other psykers of the Imperium.

If by 'In line with' you mean "Costs 50% more with no discernable benefits, advantages, or unique elements.'

Apart from a better DTW on your unit, you mean? That is a benefit. The ability to still nullify on a 5+ as the FAQ limiting you to one has gone

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
Considering that after the nerf to psychic hoods it was by far the most powerful psychic defense in the game for zero cost increase and for no rational reason, I'm fine without it turned out, and, aside from a couple of powers (invisibility and summoning spells) there wasn't anything that warranted such a powerful counter, especially for armies that only brought light or moderate psychic support. It was simply a relic of 5th edition that hadn't yet been brought in line with newer mechanics.

Nobody is going to shed too many tears for JotWW either.

This.

Now the Rune Priest is line with other psykers of the Imperium.

If by 'In line with' you mean "Costs 50% more with no discernable benefits, advantages, or unique elements.'

Apart from a better DTW on your unit, you mean? That is a benefit. The ability to still nullify on a 5+ as the FAQ limiting you to one has gone

A better DTW, but we lose the psychic hood. Is that trade worth 35 poimts?

I'm not going to argue about the whole Psychic Defence OP Cheese or what cost how much or anything. My biggest annoyance was that they took away the codex powers. I wasn't a huge fan of JotWW personally but I just enjoyed that the RP's powers came from Fenris itself and is why they were elemental in power. It was one of my favourite bits of fluff in the codex.

I'm hoping they do come out with a new codex soon. I'm curious what new stuff we might get. I got my fingers crossed for some Mark of the Wulfen models.

I'm not going to argue about the whole Psychic Defence OP Cheese or what cost how much or anything. My biggest annoyance was that they took away the codex powers. I wasn't a huge fan of JotWW personally but I just enjoyed that the RP's powers came from Fenris itself and is why they were elemental in power. It was one of my favourite bits of fluff in the codex.

As long as, in claiming that, you understand that you're putting the SW in the exact same boat as the Thousand Sons... that is to say, that they're Sorcerers... then that's cool.

A Psyker's power doesn't come from anything but the Warp. If you're not a Psyker and you're doing magic tricks? You're a Sorcerer. Maybe, buried at the core of Fenris, there is some arch-daemon of Slyte-like proportions or something, in the form of an ice-dragon-thing, who knows? But a bunch of stick-wielding priests who control the weather and cast spells aren't psykers, they're warlocks.

um. Aren't we all aware that when they get their new book, they will most definitely have their own Psychic chart of cheese to roll on? Same with BA. That's the trend here.