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 Frazzled wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
To those saying wal-mart should pay a fair wage.......Why. Why should someone come off the street with little experiance, stock shelves and get the moneyz? If they want a job that allows them to get the moneyz they should work for it.
Its even funnier, my friend in head of security at wal-mart and gets paid a decent wage

Weren't you one of the people arguing for an increase in minimum wage for fast food workers? So what is the difference between a fast food worker and a shelf stacker?

I have changed my opinion.
I realized that the reason I am in school is because I want a decent life, as do the others. Many are working their butts off in chemistry, sociology, child care, artistry and so forth vso they can get a better life. The idea that someone can come off the street, get payed enough to support a family is just wrong. Especially when there are so many people who can do the same thing. We need programs to lift people out ofpoverty, not just give them more money. Poverty isnt a problem you can just throw money at and it gets fixed. There are so many issues.

Elitist One Percenter!

1%-ers can spell and use proper grammar.

Thats why he's going to college. Then he'll be a fully educated "keep you foot on the back of the working man" one percenter.

Won't someone think of the children?

No, Im a functionalist sociologist. I believe every part of society serves a vital function, whether good or bad. Poverty serves as a function to make society successful. My own personal theory is that poverty serves as a fear mechanism to strive to be better

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No, Im a functionalist sociologist. I believe every part of society serves a vital function, whether good or bad. Poverty serves as a function to make society successful. My own personal theory is that poverty serves as a fear mechanism to strive to be better

To that I'll say "those who say money is the root of all evil have never had the joy of a welfare Christmas." Only a wealthy person (or mindwashed - ah I see you're in college) could countenance such an insanely stupid idea. one day and that day will be soon, the real world is going to kick you in the face. Maybe you'll remember stupid statements like this.

 curran12 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

I have changed my opinion.
I realized that the reason I am in school is because I want a decent life, as do the others. Many are working their butts off in chemistry, sociology, child care, artistry and so forth vso they can get a better life. The idea that someone can come off the street, get payed enough to support a family is just wrong. Especially when there are so many people who can do the same thing. We need programs to lift people out ofpoverty, not just give them more money. Poverty isnt a problem you can just throw money at and it gets fixed. There are so many issues.

Why is it wrong, exactly?

What if someone can't afford school, but wants a better life? I guess it is wrong for them to do what they can, huh?

Because is that really the best they can do? Many people at my local community college are working minimum wage while going to school with 2-3 kids. Its difficult, but possible


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 Frazzled wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No, Im a functionalist sociologist. I believe every part of society serves a vital function, whether good or bad. Poverty serves as a function to make society successful. My own personal theory is that poverty serves as a fear mechanism to strive to be better

To that I'll say "those who say money is the root of all evil have never had the joy of a welfare Christmas." Only a wealthy person (or mindwashed - ah I see you're in college) could countenance such an insanely stupid idea. one day and that day will be soon, the real world is going to kick you in the face. Maybe you'll remember stupid statements like this.

It is just one theory I am thinking of. I have several others aswell. But they require more explanation then my hungver on tequila mind feels like typing

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Because is that really the best they can do? Many people at my local community college are working minimum wage while going to school with 2-3 kids. Its difficult, but possible

Ah, so I assume you know what other minimum wage workers are doing then? And it's a good thing that your definition of better is the one shared by the world, too.

Why should life be suffering just because it can be? So what if theoretically it CAN be done- if we have the resources to make it unnecessary, why shouldn't we?

Is that all life really is, in the conservative ideal? Nonstop work and hardship until you get old enough to yell at kids to get off your lawn and then you can lament at all the lazy kids who try to have it better than you did?

I think we can aim for better than that. Wages and conditions didn't get to the point they are at now because people said "stop trying to get paid more, just work harder!" they got to this level because people fought for it. Because they knew that they deserved better than what they were getting.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It is just one theory I am thinking of. I have several others aswell. But they require more explanation then my hungver on tequila mind feels like typing

If I were you I would quit the booze as you are clearly not paying attention in your sociological studies if the kind of rubbish you are coming out with in this thread is any indication.

After all, you don't want to be saddled with debt all that debt for your education and then have to take a minimum wage job because the only "theories" you can come up with don't match reality

Blackhoof wrote:


I think we can aim for better than that. Wages and conditions didn't get to the point they are at now because people said "stop trying to get paid more, just work harder!" they got to this level because people fought for it. Because they knew that they deserved better than what they were getting.

If you want more pay, you must get a better job or be better at your job to earn a promotion/raise.

Abusive pay existed in the past, it doesn't really exist today. Its not your employers responsibility that your salary is enough for you to survive on, its his responsibility that the compensation is fair for the work you do for him. If it isn't, in your opinion, you can find work elsewhere. Thats why people striked in the past, the compensation did not match the work being done and the risks involved.

Getting paid minimum wage to stock shelves at Walmart does match the work being done.

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It is just one theory I am thinking of. I have several others aswell. But they require more explanation then my hungver on tequila mind feels like typing

If I were you I would quit the booze as you are clearly not paying attention in your sociological studies if the kind of rubbish you are coming out with in this thread is any indication.

After all, you don't want to be saddled with debt all that debt for your education and then have to take a minimum wage job because the only "theories" you can come up with don't match reality

What is this thing calle "Dept" Doing the mat my education will cost me, out of pocket......5000$.
The Govt be aying for it

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It is just one theory I am thinking of. I have several others aswell. But they require more explanation then my hungver on tequila mind feels like typing

If I were you I would quit the booze as you are clearly not paying attention in your sociological studies if the kind of rubbish you are coming out with in this thread is any indication.

After all, you don't want to be saddled with debt all that debt for your education and then have to take a minimum wage job because the only "theories" you can come up with don't match reality

What is this thing calle "Dept" Doing the mat my education will cost me, out of pocket......5000$.
The Govt be aying for it

If I were you hotsauce, I would keep on keeping on... that you can at least change your mind and accept new and different mindsets is a great skill, that unfortunatly, many people lack.

Silvermk2 is a bit like the westboro baptist church of hyper entitled libralism that is plauging the more recent generations since the 1960's, if he vehemonitly disagrees with you, you know you are on the right track.

poverty is very much the result of losing the race, for whatever reason, which can include things like "bad luck". its not always fair, life isnt fair, OFC some people will cry about it and talk about how they can make everything fair... usually by robbing paul to pay more to peter.

some people think that everyone should win just for showing up and get a ribbon, but unfortunately, the real world doesnt work like that,

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It is just one theory I am thinking of. I have several others aswell. But they require more explanation then my hungver on tequila mind feels like typing

If I were you I would quit the booze as you are clearly not paying attention in your sociological studies if the kind of rubbish you are coming out with in this thread is any indication.

After all, you don't want to be saddled with debt all that debt for your education and then have to take a minimum wage job because the only "theories" you can come up with don't match reality

What is this thing calle "Dept" Doing the mat my education will cost me, out of pocket......5000$.
The Govt be aying for it

They might want their money back.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It is just one theory I am thinking of. I have several others aswell. But they require more explanation then my hungver on tequila mind feels like typing

If I were you I would quit the booze as you are clearly not paying attention in your sociological studies if the kind of rubbish you are coming out with in this thread is any indication.

After all, you don't want to be saddled with debt all that debt for your education and then have to take a minimum wage job because the only "theories" you can come up with don't match reality

What is this thing calle "Dept" Doing the mat my education will cost me, out of pocket......5000$.
The Govt be aying for it

They might want their money back.

Don't worry, they'll be getting it back in the higher income tax he'll be paying. With interest.

 easysauce wrote:

If I were you hotsauce, I would keep on keeping on... that you can at least change your mind and accept new and different mindsets is a great skill, that unfortunatly, many people lack.

Silvermk2 is a bit like the westboro baptist church of hyper entitled libralism that is plauging the more recent generations since the 1960's, if he vehemonitly disagrees with you, you know you are on the right track.

poverty is very much the result of losing the race, for whatever reason, which can include things like "bad luck". its not always fair, life isnt fair, OFC some people will cry about it and talk about how they can make everything fair... usually by robbing paul to pay more to peter.

Now see, Right now im mostly thinking that classes and income breeds a certain culture, or it attracts a certain culture. I was reading an article about gangs, and ne memeber of a gang expressed pride in being, as he put it "A Poor N-word" and that puts him above everyone else, that by virtue of being poor, it makes him better. That is an idea many could not fathom, proud of being poor, poor people are better then rich people. Another one I read was "Work is good" that many poor mothers taught their daughters that just working is fine, it doesnt matter the work. This idea intriqued me. Could it be that after awhile, there is a culture made in each class the perpetuates each class?

Seems plausible.

If you are comfortable with your situation why would you make effort to change it?

 easysauce wrote:
Silvermk2 is a bit like the westboro baptist church of hyper entitled libralism that is plauging the more recent generations since the 1960's, if he vehemonitly disagrees with you, you know you are on the right track

... right...