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2014/09/17 23:39:41
Subject: Re:[Kickstarter]ADW Games Kickstarter Drama by Dina walker & Scott Lantry/ Lars
Some movement the last couple of days. Updates copy-pasted below, spoilered due to size.
Spoiler:
Update #110
Sep 16 2014
New Schedule
Ladies and Gentlemen:
We're doing our best under less than ideal circumstances. We apologize for how communication has gotten out of hand and would like to start over. We're working hard to try to keep it from happening, but it is possible that delivery on this campaign will be delayed. We will continue to provide weekly updates, both with progress and with more information on whether a delay will happen.
Re: our progress while we wait for wax. The furniture and the mushrooms for Sea Monsters are all blocked out and just waiting for the final wax, as well as all of the IAM minis. So, if I really pump the caffeine with the team, I hope to get all giant sized sea-monsters completed, the furniture completed, the mushrooms completed, and for (for IAM) all terror birds and 4 IAM not previously seen completed within a week. It looks like we are on track to have all Sea Monster and IAM sculpts done by month's end, and cast immediately thereafter.
Update #111
Sep 17 2014
New Pics Friday and Sunday
(Finished) Megistotherium and Embolotherium sculpt photos will be uploaded here and on the adwgames.com site on Friday.
We appreciate your patience. We will be updating photos on IAM Tuesday and Friday of next week.
Update #112
Sep 17 2014
Wax is in the Office
Things move fast now. All of the miniatures have (proper-scale) sculpey armatures completed. It is all detailing now. Three guys. part time. Yes, we have another KS to complete, as well, but we will finish both before the end of the month. With casteline we will need to create silicon masters, so the models do not melt, and then go to the resin casting step. But, right now, we want to show you progress on the sculpts you have been waiting for. SO: as before: Friday and Sunday Updates. Thanks for holding in there.
I note there is not an updated estimated completion date, but the update states the project "may" run late. Now that they have the wax in-house, the estimates I recall was 40-60 hours to complete the sculpting, and 40-60 hours to cast everything. If those are person-hours, and more than one person is working, then it shouldn't take long at all real-time to turn around. Of course, I think the estimates are unrealistically optimistic, so...
Again, all we have are words at this point. I will be very interested to see the final sculpts tomorrow. Great job to all who have been continuing to investigate. "Trust, but verify" should really be the motto of kickstarter backers.
"When your only tools are duct tape and a shovel, all of life's problems start to look the same!" - kronk
"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Darth Helmet
"History...is, indeed, little more than the register of the crimes, follies, and misfortune of mankind" - Edward Gibbon, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
2014/09/18 00:18:35
Subject: Re:[Kickstarter]ADW Games Kickstarter Drama by Dina walker & Scott Lantry/ Lars
Frankly, i find their update message and picture really pretentious. Even if they present backer an update with better looking sculpts, that does not mean backers will be getting the sculpts. It almost looks to me as if they are trying to convince backers for their "Carnival" KS in October. Won't be surprised if they launch in October without IAM having delivered.
2014/09/18 00:32:14
Subject: Re:[Kickstarter]ADW Games Kickstarter Drama by Dina walker & Scott Lantry/ Lars
Frankly, i find their update message and picture really pretentious. Even if they present backer an update with better looking sculpts, that does not mean backers will be getting the sculpts. It almost looks to me as if they are trying to convince backers for their "Carnival" KS in October. Won't be surprised if they launch in October without IAM having delivered.
Look at the huge difference between their first kickstarter and their second kickstarter. The amount in pledges is HUGE!!! I imagine the 3rd will be even worse for them.
At this point this company has so much ill will, the comments section of the newest kickstarter will be a mess. I may actually pledge a dollar this time around. 1 dollar seems like a fair price to pay, just to be able to comment in the KS comments area.
2014/09/18 02:00:36
Subject: [Kickstarter]ADW Games Kickstarter Drama by Dina walker & Scott Lantry/ Lars
Goblini wrote:We should really get the artists on the line and kindly explain what really is going on with this mess.
Hmm, perhaps. I might look into it later today if I have time.
I was thinking the other day that it would be interesting to hear Andrea Sfiligoi's (the author of Song and Blades and Heroes) side of the story. He had a collaboration going with ADW from the end of their first KS (they cancelled that campaign when they decided to switch systems, bringing Andrea onboard) until the middle of their third KS (which they cancelled a short while after Andrea dropped out). After he announced on Facebook that he was no longer part of the project, I have heard nothing more from him. What do you guys think?
Alpharius wrote:What's up with the thoughtfully included "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"?
Hey, I always break out that badboy, alongside a wooden tray and horse, whenever I'm about to paint or greenstuff something. I find it helps marvelously in getting those pretentious juices flowing.
2014/09/18 09:03:05
Subject: Re:[Kickstarter]ADW Games Kickstarter Drama by Dina walker & Scott Lantry/ Lars
Anyway, speaking of Andreas, I know his name attracted some backers, but another guideline I use for KS is "ignore the designer". The Doom that Came to Atlantic City is the best example. The designers themselves weren't involved with the project, and were also caught unawares when the creator said there was no money left and the game wouldn't be produced (there was plenty of money for the creator to try to start his own game business, of course). A minor brouhaha on BoardGameGeek was the designer's discussion of the game before it was KS'ed. BGG'ers assumed the bits that he discussed would be in the game before SG's, and were unhappy that the SG's "put parts of the game back in the box".
Goblini wrote:We should really get the artists on the line and kindly explain what really is going on with this mess.
"Hmm, perhaps. I might look into it later today if I have time."
Thank you Trodax, I saw your earlier posts on Reaper and Dakka and figured that you have the ability to see through things.
"I was thinking the other day that it would be interesting to hear Andrea Sfiligoi's (the author of Song and Blades and Heroes) side of the story. He had a collaboration going with ADW from the end of their first KS (they cancelled that campaign when they decided to switch systems, bringing Andrea onboard) until the middle of their third KS (which they cancelled a short while after Andrea dropped out). After he announced on Facebook that he was no longer part of the project, I have heard nothing more from him. What do you guys think?"
I surely believe Andrea had really good reason for leaving the project. He also is a backer in IAM KS. Not very sure if he is gonna tell us straight answer since he has reputation in this community. Bottom line, if he was gonna tell the reason for leaving the project, we would already have known about it. Though will be interesting to hear what was the real reason.
"
Alpharius wrote:What's up with the thoughtfully included "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"?
Hey, I always break out that badboy, alongside a wooden tray and horse, whenever I'm about to paint or greenstuff something. I find it helps marvelously in getting those pretentious juices flowing.
"Look at the huge difference between their first kickstarter and their second kickstarter. The amount in pledges is HUGE!!! I imagine the 3rd will be even worse for them.
At this point this company has so much ill will, the comments section of the newest kickstarter will be a mess. I may actually pledge a dollar this time around. 1 dollar seems like a fair price to pay, just to be able to comment in the KS comments area.
"
They literally called people pledging a dollar 'trolls' and totally ignored their comments.
i would not even waste a dollar on them.
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2014/09/18 12:21:18
Subject: [Kickstarter]ADW Games Kickstarter Drama by Dina walker & Scott Lantry/ Lars
The apology update (#110) has been bugging me, and I just realized why. It is essentially saying, "Sorry, I'll never do it again. Give me one more chance, baby. Let me make it up to you." They just needed to add, "It's not my fault I hit you! You just made me so mad!" to make it complete. It is just too textbook. We'll see if this time, they finally mean it.
Yeah, that phrase was intended to be a bit loaded, as in, "I'm saying I trust you for the sake of diplomacy, but I need proof to actually believe you."
Alpharius wrote: What's up with the thoughtfully included "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"?
I lol'd at the artfully staged photo as well. My first thought was that the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire was nicely symbolic. The internal politics, overwieldy size and impossible demands of governing/managing the empire, and failing infrastructure that I associate with the fall of Rome seems like it could represent the inner workings of ADW... but more likely, it was chosen because it was a pretty green color to go with the red-brown horse armature.
Trodax, I think any input from Andrea Sfiligoi would be great. I think there was a bit of info on the Band of Gnomes thread here on dakka, and that the announcement of him departing was on a facebook page...
Edit - misstated the book title. Egads, what a frightful error. I sincerely hope you kind chaps will forgive my transgression.
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"When your only tools are duct tape and a shovel, all of life's problems start to look the same!" - kronk
"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Darth Helmet
"History...is, indeed, little more than the register of the crimes, follies, and misfortune of mankind" - Edward Gibbon, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
2014/09/18 15:00:19
Subject: Re:[Kickstarter]ADW Games Kickstarter Drama by Dina walker & Scott Lantry/ Lars
It is _very_ challenging to sculpt miniatures using only a copy of The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire and your own sense of self importance. This explains the WIPs that we've seen so far.
2014/09/19 14:38:42
Subject: [Kickstarter]ADW Games Kickstarter Drama by Dina walker & Scott Lantry/ Lars
I, too, enjoyed the staged picture, with about everyone else on this page it seems (and no doubt many a lurker). Thanks for the entertainment all, although I'm sorry a few of you have money caught up in this!
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2014/09/19 18:02:29
Subject: [Kickstarter]ADW Games Kickstarter Drama by Dina walker & Scott Lantry/ Lars
When you see that much drama for of all things miniatures, its just time to sit back with a Coke and popcorn and watch the trains collide.
If you''ve backed them- Get out. GET OUT, NOW!
These are the same sorts of mutts that will bail on this KS, come back as Tom and Jerry productions and try to fleece more people for "project " money that will never produce a mouse fart.
Kickstarter, the gift that rewards shills, and bears absolutely no responsibility.
( Why didn't I think of that... )
At Games Workshop, we believe that how you behave does matter. We believe this so strongly that we have written it down in the Games Workshop Book. There is a section in the book where we talk about the values we expect all staff to demonstrate in their working lives. These values are Lawyers, Guns and Money.
2014/09/19 20:27:00
Subject: [Kickstarter]ADW Games Kickstarter Drama by Dina walker & Scott Lantry/ Lars
Updates are here on the two projects. It looks like waiting for that wax and bringing in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire really did the trick. </sarcasm>
Trodax wrote: Updates are here on the two projects. It looks like waiting for that wax and bringing in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire really did the trick. </sarcasm>
Those look awful! Like things that come from the dollar store look better.
So very glad that I didn't pledge.
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
2014/09/20 01:02:38
Subject: [Kickstarter]ADW Games Kickstarter Drama by Dina walker & Scott Lantry/ Lars
We'll see if this time, they finally mean it.
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Those look awful! Like things that come from the dollar store look better. 