[Kickstarter]ADW Games Kickstarter Drama by Dina walker & Scott Lantry/ Lars

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**MissMelons**

Why hello there Trodax!! ^_^

**CptJake**

Dina Andrews Walker 7 minutes ago wrote:
Call out:
I would like the nay-sayers to post links to miniatures of the the exact same price of better quality, today. If you can do that, we will crack the whip on the sculptors. If you can not do that you clearly state who you are in your favourite public forum.

Not sure of the KS price points but these 2 15mm (yes, 15mm) figures are 2 bucks each (very expensive for 15mm)

**MissMelons**

DO NOT POST ANY OF THIS TO REAPER.
Don't do it.

**highlord tamburlaine**

I'm just flabbergasted.

I don't even think I'd been that negative in their thread.

I'm going to have to remember my Reaper login info so I can go post there, if the thread gets unlocked that is.

What a mess...

**Sirithiliel**

No, it's locked sadly. This is just insane! I'd contact Kickstarter through email though, they should not be allowed to outright bully and insult backers, either through comment or email

**highlord tamburlaine**

What's the best place to contact Kickstarter through?

The guy just continues to dig himself deeper into a hole.

**Sirithiliel**

I'd continue to post in comnets over the phone, becasue that way it's there for the other backers to see. Phone conversations disappear.

I contacted kickstarter here: https://www.kickstarter.com/trust?ref=footer

scroll to the bottom where it says 'just ask' and click. I reported the bullying and offensive name calling there

**highlord tamburlaine**

Found it, contacted them.

Why does he want to talk to me so bad?

He's really got a thing for the phone solving all his problems.

**Nostromodamus**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm just flabbergasted.

I don't even think I'd been that negative in their thread.

I'm going to have to remember my Reaper login info so I can go post there, if the thread gets unlocked that is.

What a mess...

You were entirely reasonable and polite.

But you are interacting with an entity that believes appropriate punctuation is some sort of hate crime against women.

**Sirithiliel**

He wants to use the phone so he can scream and rant probably, with nothing you can do about it. Don't do it. I wouldn't. He's looking people up on Google maps? Crazy!

Don't give him your phone number. He might have caller ID

i definitely think he's copy/pasting the music stuff to try and hide comments

**highlord tamburlaine**

Absolutely.

I need some company in those comments!

**Sirithiliel**

What i'd do is just keep copy/pasting your own request for a refund =P it keeps it visible, it'll annoy him horribly, and it's politely worded

**inquisitorlewis**

WOW!!!

They are straight up slandering Reaper Miniatures. Hopefully Reaper contacts their attorney.

**Deaddirewolf**

Until today I honestly thought ADW was simply in over their heads. Whatever you call that string of comments this morning, it convinced me they are crazy. Or scamming. Or kinda dumb. Or all three. I'm leaning towards all three.

Of course I gave them money, so who's the dumb one?

At this point, I'm riding this beast into the ground. Scam or poor planning, I'm never going to see my money or these figs.

Thanks for doing all this research guys, at least I backed out of Sea Monsters before it was too late.

Call out:
I would like the nay-sayers to post links to miniatures of the the exact same price of better quality, today. If you can do that, we will crack the whip on the sculptors. If you can not do that you clearly state who you are in your favourite public forum.

They finally convinced me. It's a scam. Classic deflection.

**Nostromodamus**

He's calling people out on hiding behind false names. Ok, sure, whatever Lars (username "Dina Andrews Walker")...

Now he's googling people's addresses to see where they live...

And he insists on everyone calling him so he can get your phone number on caller ID.

So that's name, address and phone number he's collecting.

It's either a scam or he's a serial killer.

And the way he keeps spamming copy & paste Rolling Stone articles, the latter seems more and more likely.

**CptJake**

I suspect the music crap is to get stuff off the first (visible) page of comments. Wether to 'drown out' your voices or to hide it from KS management who may not scroll through all the posts I'm not sure.

**Nostromodamus**

CptJake wrote:
I suspect the music crap is to get stuff off the first (visible) page of comments. Wether to 'drown out' your voices or to hide it from KS management who may not scroll through all the posts I'm not sure.

I thought that too, but then he keeps making his own controversial statements on top of those.

FETHING.

PSYCHO.

**Sirithiliel**

*just stares in disbelief*

....I truly have no words, and can't say much more than you all already have

Crazy....

All I can say is, the first time they went off like this in the other forum, I was done with them. And I have no regrets

**highlord tamburlaine**

Maybe I need to start copying the best choice comments, which can't be deleted.

Can we still pull up a creator's comments?

How do we pull out the choicest comments with a direct link? I'll send all those to Kickstarter.

**Nostromodamus**

You can access a person's comments through their profile. I can't do it on my phone, but can on my laptop and tablet. Must be an interface thing.

**Sirithiliel**

Click on the date of the comment, and you'll note your link at the top of your screen will include a comment number at the very end. just copy and paste that =)

if someone clicks that link it takes you directly to that comment, no matter how buried it is

**MissMelons**

Sea monsters people should know about this madness so they can get their refunds while they still can.

**Gymnogyps**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm just flabbergasted.

I don't even think I'd been that negative in their thread.

I'm going to have to remember my Reaper login info so I can go post there, if the thread gets unlocked that is.

What a mess...

You're being targetted because you've asked questions that get to the heart of the issue, i.e. they don't have sculpts and it is harder than it looks, so they are failing.

Don't let them get to you. I do suggest screenshotting ypur onteractions with them,. I will be doing the same, because it may be needed if they take the harassment as far as they imply.

Oh and for those without accesss to the comments, LarDina has continued to copy-paste walls of text. But they've also started making comments about people's houses, making it clear they know where we live... and trying to scare off more comments.

It is actually quite disturbing.

(Also, pls forgive typos... phone posting)

ETA- ninja'd on the googlemaps commenting insanity.... I'm still stunned at this respobse.

**highlord tamburlaine**

**Necros**

Their antics and play dough sculpts are amusing at first, but really sad in the end. I feel bad for whoever gave these guys money, and kinda bummed that many will likely think twice about backing legit small companies in the future.

They're just gonna take the money and run, looks like they're making crap sculpts and showing them off just out of spite, and laughing all the way to the bank.

Wasn't there some congressman somewhere that did a law suit of some kind to force a fraudulent KS company to pay back their backers? Don't remember the details but it might be worth looking into...

**Alpharius**

Wow!

Well, you may not have been a 'real' Highlord before now, but even if you weren't...

...you are now!

I cannot believe they are "internet" and "real life" stalking you!

Get Kickstarter involved ASAP - they cannot be allowed to continue to harass you!

**Saldiven**

Yikes.

I just read through those posts, and they're pretty creepy.

Any chance this is related to Mandelbaum? Anyone with experience with those debacles want to comment on any similarities that might exist?

Edit: I don't have any evidence to believe this is related to Mandelbaum. I just find it interesting that there could be two such unbalanced and apparently crooked people out there in this same, small, niche industry.

**Lockark**

With all the people now asking for refunds after the way they treated you, things are about to get interesting.

**jah-joshua**

top 40% of the mini industry, huh???
i would say that i have never seen a mini go into production that looked even close to how horrendous these sculpts are...
that would put them in the bottom 1%, i believe...

they do get top 1% for psycho behavior, though...
gotta be good at something, i guess

...

what a trainwreck...

cheers
jah

**MissMelons**

jah-joshua wrote:
top 40% of the mini industry, huh???
i would say that i have never seen a mini go into production that looked even close to how horrendous these sculpts are...
that would put them in the bottom 1%, i believe...

they do get top 1% for psycho behavior, though...
gotta be good at something, i guess...

what a trainwreck...

cheers
jah

I meant the bottom 40% and that being a generous number.