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Do they have 111 years combined experience though?

I'm not interested unless they have over a century of combined experience rocking the tabletop world.

 Sirithiliel wrote:
He's a regular on the Reaper forums and I trust him =) Granted, you just have my word on that though haha

this is the regular facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hearthstoneminiatures?fref=nf

So he is a regular on the one forum that ADW used to advertise their products?

Sorry, but it's going to take a bit more than your word (no offense meant) to convince me this isn't just another part of the same scheme.

This is not the same Scott. He's a regular of the reaper forums and a great fellow. We hope that he works with the sculptor more in the future because his other sculpts are awesome.

 inquisitorlewis wrote:

 Sirithiliel wrote:
He's a regular on the Reaper forums and I trust him =) Granted, you just have my word on that though haha

this is the regular facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hearthstoneminiatures?fref=nf

So he is a regular on the one forum that ADW used to advertise their products?

Sorry, but it's going to take a bit more than your word (no offense meant) to convince me this isn't just another part of the same scheme.

ADW made us paranoid with anyone named Scott, Lars, Dina


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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Do they have 111 years combined experience though?

I'm not interested unless they have over a century of combined experience rocking the tabletop world.

 Goblini wrote:


ADW made us paranoid with anyone named Scott, Lars, Dina

ADW didn't do that to me.

 Vermis wrote:
Ugh. I'd kinda hoped those things would disappear with this whole brouhaha.

Why? The original sculptor worked on these sculpts on the hope that he would get paid. I'd like to see him get *some* money for his work.

Unfortunately, there's not much info on Hearth Stone Games, so I've asked on his FB to introduce himself on these forums as well.

EDIT: Smart move to expand slowly. Thanks, Inquisitor!

Well, unlike pledging for Kickstarter, you are quite protected if you buy a model from a company like this directly using Paypal, as long as you file a claim within 45 days. I wouldn't be worried about it, personally. (And soon that claim window will be 180 days, for any transactions from late November onwards!)

I don't see the Mammoth from the original campaign in that pic, though?

Just note, this exact scenario happened with the Doom that came to Atlantic City kickstarter. Another company was able to pick up production of the items and sell it, although I believe they amazingly and graciously were also able to fulfill the original campaign (I don't think that will happen here).

 RiTides wrote:
Well, unlike pledging for Kickstarter, you are quite protected if you buy a model from a company like this directly using Paypal, as long as you file a claim within 45 days. I wouldn't be worried about it, personally. (And soon that claim window will be 180 days, for any transactions from late November onwards!)

I don't see the Mammoth from the original campaign in that pic, though?

Just note, this exact scenario happened with the Doom that came to Atlantic City kickstarter. Another company was able to pick up production of the items and sell it, although I believe they amazingly and graciously were also able to fulfill the original campaign (I don't think that will happen here).

We still haven't seen if these will be sold directly, or if these will go to kickstarter. In fact if you look at the facebook page you will see this:

"I've gotten a lot of questions about whether I am going to do a kickstarter or not. I leave that option open but if i do it will be small and limited. I want to grow slowly and organically, kickstarter is a great tool but its not one I need to use right now. Instead, I will be doing small, incremental releases in order to build up my capabilities and learn about the business. I think for some people, kickstarter has become a forgone conclusion for a new miniatures company. As this is a fun side business for now I simply have no need to grow fast, all i am shooting for is break even."

Hopefully these will be sold directly and never see a KS campaign.

The mammoth won't be available. The artist gifted it to the original designer that also got.....taken by ADW. The gnome on the bunny was gifted to Andrea.

I expect that we will see more and better works from the sculptor in the future.

I've done a bit more nosing around. I don't think this Scott has anything to do with the ADW scams.

Best of luck to this new company moving forward.

Based on what he commented, and his facebook profile He sounds like just an honest guy who really loves miniatures.
He backed other Kses unlike ADW.
I can see that he is modest( not arrogant) in his comments.



Scott Maurer about 5 hours ago

@William

My company, Hearth Stone Miniatures has acquired through great generosity from the sculptor many of the original good sculpts that were used to sell this project. I will be producing them in resin and putting them up for sale on my website.

Scott Maurer 13 minutes ago

@zoroaster, by day i am a mild mannered financial services employee. By night and any spare moment i run a small scale resin casting business and paint miniatures. I am a rabid fan of competition miniature painting and fine miniatures in general. I love making cool stuff and want to try my hand at running a miniatures company. I'm a terrible sculptor and no great artist but i am good at resin casting and i think have good taste in miniatures. In hopes that other people like what i like i started this business. It is an absolute dream for me and i hope to exceed everyone's expectations.

I met the sculptor of this work on a forum and i talked about partnering on some sculpts. When this blew up i was offered these sculpts. I'm honored to do this. Privileged to have the opportunity and excited to be cutting my teeth on something so cool.

I hope to not only provide these awesome works but many others. Did you have any specific questions? Here is my website:
https://hearthstoneminiatures.squarespace.com
I don't have anything up for sale but i do go into a little bit of detail about my plans and hopes for the future of miniatures.
Scott


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Wonder what happened to Dina and lars...
any thoughts?

I've spoken to both the sculptor and to Scott from Hearth Stone.. The sculptor confirms that he sent the minis to him. It's legit. I assume that this is going to be one of the shared profit "artist lines".

I certainly hope so anyways, that sculptor has a thread on the Reaper forums to show off his work, and it's impressive across the board.

I have absolute faith that Hearth Stone is a legit startup from a guy who is doing this in his spare time, he's just starting slow intentionally. I intend to pick up some of those minis myself. Too bad about the mammoth, but maybe we'll see another version at some point.

First post btw, but I've been trolling this thread since things started to go sour after IAM ended. Happy to have been introduced to this resource.

 Goblini wrote:
Wonder what happened to Dina and lars...
any thoughts?

Likely reprimanded by Kickstarter for their creepy and aggressive behavior / comments towards backers (some of which KS deleted). That could cause them to go underground... KS likely knows they messed this up, but won't intervene as it would set a precedent for their doing so.

Edit: Welcome, RonaldX!

Just want to drop by and say hi! I am a real person.

I know i just started my Facebook page for hearth stone but i thought i was going to have more time to build up. This event kind of gave me a massive kick in the butt to get moving so I am sort of just trying my best to get in gear.

I want to say thanks to cedric for pointing me here. I've read the thread on this ks, as I was a backer (bad decisions were made) but never joined to comment.

I wanted to jump in and introduce myself.

I'm Scott Maurer. I live in Raleigh, NC with my wife and two corgis (huge fan of corgis). I work in insurance for my day job and I love competition miniature painting. Hearth Stone was supposed to be a small side project but this opportunity has sort of forced me to up my commitment, not a bad thing. I will not do a kickstarter for these sculpts, its not necesary since the biggest expense is already paid. I'll be doing the casting myself and selling directly through my website. I may try to get a local retail presence but won't do much beyond that just due to time constraints.

Without a doubt, this is a dream for me. I love miniatures and miniature painting. I've for a long time dreamt of doing something substantial in the field. This is a great start for me.

I will try to keep the price as low as i can on these minis. They are a lot of resin to cast and more importantly silicone in the mold making (silicone is pricey stuff). I cannot offer the kind of deal adw was scamming off on people but I will try to offer a low price in recognition of the previous kickstarter they were involved in.

Any questions?

@Goblini: you say you "can see that this guy is modest (not arrogant) from his comments", but the tagline on his Facebook page says, "The highest quality resin miniatures, from the best artists in the business."...
that is quite a claim, seen as how there is nothing cast yet, and those prehistoric mammals are not the highest quality sculpts i have ever seen, nor is the sculptor a big name...
now if they had Allan C., Thomas David, MIKH, or any other really amazing, internationally known, sculptor on the team, i would believe that claim...
for now, it just seems like a bunch of hot air...

best of luck to Scott, though...
i hope he helps out the sculptor who got burned by ADW to get some compensation for his work...
i look forward to seeing Scott prove his claim, and blow us away with some amazing minis...
he's got a lot of stiff competition to top, though...

cheers
jah

Jah,
Agreed. I have made some big claims and that is my vision for my business. This opportunity came on unexpectedly and I felt like I had to sieze it.

I will be working with some big named sculptors on my personal line but the artist lines are targeted at new and aspiring sculptors. This definitely falls under that category.

I would love it if you stuck around and watched it develop.
Scott

hearthstoneminis wrote:
Just want to drop by and say hi! I am a real person.

I know i just started my Facebook page for hearth stone but i thought i was going to have more time to build up. This event kind of gave me a massive kick in the butt to get moving so I am sort of just trying my best to get in gear.

I want to say thanks to cedric for pointing me here. I've read the thread on this ks, as I was a backer (bad decisions were made) but never joined to comment.

I wanted to jump in and introduce myself.

I'm Scott Maurer. I live in Raleigh, NC with my wife and two corgis (huge fan of corgis). I work in insurance for my day job and I love competition miniature painting. Hearth Stone was supposed to be a small side project but this opportunity has sort of forced me to up my commitment, not a bad thing. I will not do a kickstarter for these sculpts, its not necesary since the biggest expense is already paid. I'll be doing the casting myself and selling directly through my website. I may try to get a local retail presence but won't do much beyond that just due to time constraints.

Without a doubt, this is a dream for me. I love miniatures and miniature painting. I've for a long time dreamt of doing something substantial in the field. This is a great start for me.

I will try to keep the price as low as i can on these minis. They are a lot of resin to cast and more importantly silicone in the mold making (silicone is pricey stuff). I cannot offer the kind of deal adw was scamming off on people but I will try to offer a low price in recognition of the previous kickstarter they were involved in.

Any questions?

Thanks for coming here and making an introduction. Welcome to Dakka. I am sure you noticed the attention that these miniatures have received over the last couple of months. There's a lot of people that were burned pretty bad through the ADW KS. All I can recommend is, you conduct yourself with complete transparency. The community certainly has been watching, and will continue to watch.

Best of luck moving forward. A lot of members are very keen to get their hands on these miniatures. I am glad somebody moved in to successfully make that happen.

Cheers!!!

Thanks! I'm a pretty straight forward guy and i will be as transparent as possible. I definitely understand the trepidation here. I just appreciate the opportunity to earn people's business.

I appreciate all the advice and well wishes too. It's a bit overwhelming but fun.

Scott has the cutest corgis on the planet BTW.

hearthstoneminis wrote:
Thanks! I'm a pretty straight forward guy and i will be as transparent as possible. I definitely understand the trepidation here. I just appreciate the opportunity to earn people's business.

I appreciate all the advice and well wishes too. It's a bit overwhelming but fun.

I think you will find the members of Dakka are a great community. They are very welcoming to new artists, products, companies, etc. ADW games would have seen that as well, had they not been playing the scam game. I think they would have went very far if they were an honest company. They left a ton of money on the table over the long term, for a short term payout.

You may want to start a new thread in the news and rumors forum. This thread here is full of negative vibes. Don't use this thread to communicate with the community. Start a new, fresh thread, where we can all show our support.

Will do! Thanks!

Tomorrow that is. It is late and I am a square.

Scott, i'll definitely keep a look out for what you bring to market in the future...
best of luck, man...

cheers
jah

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 Vermis wrote:
Ugh. I'd kinda hoped those things would disappear with this whole brouhaha.

Why?

'Cos they ain't good. I'm sympathetic to the sculptor for being conned along with all the backers; in fact more sympathetic, 'cos he was probably too easily buttered up by Lars et al, while I think the backers must've just been a bit blind. I think that because the first time I saw the 'superior' sculpts and their design sketches some signs of inexperience jumped out at me - lack of observation, lack of control, awkward posing, misdirecting 'style' elements. Along with them being pimped (and continuing to be pimped, to some degree) as hyperfantasmagorical sculpts that'll make the industry fall to it's knees, that gave me the first clue that these people didn't really know much about the industry, what they were doing, and what they needed, and so that the kickstarter was in danger of tripping up and leaving a lot of disgruntled backers.

Maybe the sculptor's pre-ADW work, not based on those sketches, is a bit better. But to be frank I think some of the later castilene sculpts wouldn't have been too much worse with a bit of extra hair texture and a rub with limolene.

jah-joshua wrote:@Goblini: you say you "can see that this guy is modest (not arrogant) from his comments", but the tagline on his Facebook page says, "The highest quality resin miniatures, from the best artists in the business."...
that is quite a claim, seen as how there is nothing cast yet, and those prehistoric mammals are not the highest quality sculpts i have ever seen, nor is the sculptor a big name...
now if they had Allan C., Thomas David, MIKH, or any other really amazing, internationally known, sculptor on the team, i would believe that claim...
for now, it just seems like a bunch of hot air...

i look forward to seeing Scott prove his claim, and blow us away with some amazing minis...
he's got a lot of stiff competition to top, though...

This, with a bit of practise.

I disagree, but it's a matter of taste.

Here's pinmini's 15mm gnomes. Not bad for such a small scale.
http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/55637-15mm-gnomes/

Competition *is* tough. I'm already saturated with miniature boardgames. How about some 25mm square textured bases?

i say we wait for their Dark Carnival series kickstarter for November. maybe the add ons will be ice age animals, furniture, sea monsters and gnomes

I have my own theories on why we didn't hear anything else from the creators of both Ice Age and Sea Monsters. Sea Monsters closed on the 10th. Amazon doesn't clear the money until 14 days after the KS closes to deal with declines and etc.

Interesting that multiple 'studies' were completed for both Ice Age and Sea Monsters between the 10th and the 23, but very few have heard anything from them since the 24th. Except a few reports of them responding to say 'no refunds', when it was said that there was a full refund policy during the KS.

 Thes Hunter wrote:
I have my own theories on why we didn't hear anything else from the creators of both Ice Age and Sea Monsters. Sea Monsters closed on the 10th. Amazon doesn't clear the money until 14 days after the KS closes to deal with declines and etc.

Interesting that multiple 'studies' were completed for both Ice Age and Sea Monsters between the 10th and the 23, but very few have heard anything from them since the 24th. Except a few reports of them responding to say 'no refunds', when it was said that there was a full refund policy during the KS.

ADW Games guarantees that all minis will be delivered by (u.s.) Thanksgiving or we refund. No questions.

MissMelons wrote:
OK. Any case being made against Kickstarter will never hold. Since we use their service and have agreed to it then their hands are washed of any legal action.

Ever look at the Areal kickstarter? Backers had been screaming, SCREAMING scam for the entire 30 days that ks ran. This is like easily a thousand people at least, backers and not that kept reporting and sending messages to ks that it was a scam, the guy whose name was under the ks was under trial for fraud for Pete's sake and ks okayed the ks anyway. Various gaming news outlets were reporting it and do you know what finally got that ks canceled on it's VERY LAST DAY? The creator backed themselves for over ten grand to get the project to fund.

That's it. This happened before the change

Kickstarter doesn't care.

I saw it happen in another kickstarter I backed, although in that case, they backed themselves for close to 50k. The only reason I didn't drop my pledge is because at the time, I wasn't sure how.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/160421/item/3463697#item3463697

 Goblyn wrote:
ADW Games guarantees that all minis will be delivered by (u.s.) Thanksgiving or we refund. No questions.

Hee hee! Yeah, that cracks me up, too.

Up Front said they'd give refunds as well. Gee, guess what happened with them. Promising refunds, of course, is a stalling tactic to prevent credit card chargebacks. Small companies *cannot* promise refunds, because KS projects rarely make money (as in liquid cash), but instead increase capital (eg. pay for molds or other fixed costs). Big companies (eg. CMON, Mantic, Reaper) don't make a bit deal about refunds. They just do them, to get upset customers off their back and look good to other backers.

KS is not a store.