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Soon enough we'll have all of the usual "oh well I'm smart and I can totally look at my phone and drive."
Yeah, you and everyone else who has ever been in a wreck because of texting. I work with certified truck drivers who have great training and safety records and they still go off the road because they were 'too smart' to not multitask.
I always love the "I'm too important to stop" ones.
They're so unbelievably pathetic.
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
MrDwhitey wrote: I always love the "I'm too important to stop" ones.
They're so unbelievably pathetic.
Sadly, in the States the worst offenders that I've personally seen are actually some of the least important (by this I mean low ranking military, or just military in general... and military spouses)
I think it is unwise to just throw out the "oh it is these kinds of people/traits" because let's be honest, we're all guilty of being distracted from time to time in the car.
Reaching for a drink, or music or a phone they all do the same thing. To say that it is only caused by those who we might stereotype as the 'bad cellphone users' ("I'm too important" types, "stupid teenager" types and so on) distracts from the fact that distracted driving kills way more people than just that. As I've said, I work with truck drivers and they are all damn good ones, put through way higher safety training than average companies, but they also get distracted and that leads to losses.
The thing of it though is that all of these drivers passed our safety tests, but still had these losses. This isn't some thing we should disregard as happening to 'those OTHER people'. It happens to all of us.
I was actually referring to some posters on this forum who have actually used that as a reason for taking calls/texts while driving.
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
I'm constantly shocked by how many people I see sending texts while driving. On the drive to work in the morning, just looking sometimes at the people coming the other way I would say it is a mix of people yawning or picking their nose, looking lobotomised/still asleep, and others quite obviously looking down at a phone.
MrDwhitey wrote: I was actually referring to some posters on this forum who have actually used that as a reason for taking calls/texts while driving.
I know this includes me, because I agree that distracted driving includes eating, drinking, radio, etc. the phone is jut as bad. I use text talk, all the time, and apologize to people I text when the stuff comes out weird because Siri hates me. I also texted by hand when I had buttons, not a touch screen, because I didn't have to look at anything. On an iPhone, it's basically impossible to safely text while driving.
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Smacks wrote: Why do all these douche bags have their phone on in the cinema anyway? :(
Because it's before the main picture.
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As a lifelong pedestrian, (I can't drive for medical reasons), ignorant dumb@$$es who drive distracted are the bane of my existence.
Every ****ing day I'm nearly hit by at least one or two stupid morons who can't be bothered to pay attention to the fact that they're operating what is essentially a lethal weapon at only 40km/hr, let alone your average city road speed of 60km/hr.
I honestly believe that in order to even get your G2 licence, you should be paraded through the local morgue and shown the end results of both distracted & drunk driving. Maybe seeing it 'in the flesh' might make it actually sink into most drivers' heads that driving is a god-damn privilege and not your natural God-given birthright.
I don't get why they don't make the software have a feature that automatically disables texting if the phone is traveling more than 10-15 miles an hour. Make it so that the phone user cannot disable that option. You still allow for phones to be used for emergency service (911). If they receive a text or phone call then they'd have to stop the vehicle in order to use their phone. The vast majority of phone calls and texts are for useless crap all of which could wait until later. I see so many people weaving on the road or nearly going through lights because they are busy reading or typing some stupid text. We have local laws in place that fine people for not using a hands free device which doesn't do squat. They can use carrier based technology to fix a lot of this and it would reduce the death count dramatically.
stanman wrote: I don't get why they don't make the software have a feature that automatically disables texting if the phone is traveling more than 10-15 miles an hour. Make it so that the phone user cannot disable that option. You still allow for phones to be used for emergency service (911). If they receive a text or phone call then they'd have to stop the vehicle in order to use their phone. The vast majority of phone calls and texts are for useless crap all of which could wait until later. I see so many people weaving on the road or nearly going through lights because they are busy reading or typing some stupid text. We have local laws in place that fine people for not using a hands free device which doesn't do squat. They can use carrier based technology to fix a lot of this and it would reduce the death count dramatically.
Because it is difficult? Oh and what is my friend wants to use their phone? Or Im on the bus or taxi?
stanman wrote: I don't get why they don't make the software have a feature that automatically disables texting if the phone is traveling more than 10-15 miles an hour. Make it so that the phone user cannot disable that option. You still allow for phones to be used for emergency service (911). If they receive a text or phone call then they'd have to stop the vehicle in order to use their phone. The vast majority of phone calls and texts are for useless crap all of which could wait until later. I see so many people weaving on the road or nearly going through lights because they are busy reading or typing some stupid text. We have local laws in place that fine people for not using a hands free device which doesn't do squat. They can use carrier based technology to fix a lot of this and it would reduce the death count dramatically.
No, that's a terrible idea. People on trains and buses would no longer be able to use their phone. I don't want my phone restricted because other people are too stupid to take responsibility for their actions. How about people just grow -up and get off the damn phone?
What I think they should do is just ban irresponsible people from owning cell phones. If it goes off in the cinema, or you get caught using it while driving... Have it taken away and crushed, and you can't legally own one again for 3 years. It would be difficult to enforce within the current system, but so so awesome when it worked!
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stanman wrote: I don't get why they don't make the software have a feature that automatically disables texting if the phone is traveling more than 10-15 miles an hour. Make it so that the phone user cannot disable that option. You still allow for phones to be used for emergency service (911). If they receive a text or phone call then they'd have to stop the vehicle in order to use their phone. The vast majority of phone calls and texts are for useless crap all of which could wait until later. I see so many people weaving on the road or nearly going through lights because they are busy reading or typing some stupid text. We have local laws in place that fine people for not using a hands free device which doesn't do squat. They can use carrier based technology to fix a lot of this and it would reduce the death count dramatically.
Because it is difficult? Oh and what is my friend wants to use their phone? Or Im on the bus or taxi?
It's not difficult, pretty much every phone has GPS now days and tracks where you are and how fast you are moving, it wouldn't be too complicated to implement as the phones all have that in them already.
Yeah it's mild inconvenience to passengers but I'm sure people can manage to make due, people didn't have phones available in their cars for the better part of a century and somehow civilization didn't collapse. Being able to be wired in at all times is nice but it's not a necessity and in many case it's quite dangerous.
I'm not saying they should shut off all apps like music or games etc as those are fine if you are passenger, but because people have repeatedly proven they cannot control their texting or calling while driving then it needs a push beyond giving tickets. The same technology that the phone companies use to deliver your service can also offer a way to limit the use in dangerous conditions like driving.
If phones companies were held accountable for providing distractions to drivers and they could be sued for their hand in causing accidents due to phone use and texting you can bet that they'd have that system implemented immediately. Yet because it would cost them business from unhappy customers they won't do it unless it's pressed upon them by the government. The only way it will work is if all carriers had to follow the same rules about use. People by themselves won't regulate their usage as it's not happening despite all the warnings and laws against it.
But of course people will quickly rise to the offense; "no way my rights to talk and text take priority over another person's life, you can't limit me like that it's unfair".
Call/text the people you need before getting in the car and if you need to make an urgent call tell the driver to pull over and stop, or get off the train at a stop. Being without phone service for a few minutes won't kill anyone, whereas giving people access to constant phone service has killed (lots of times) and will continue to do so.
No, that's a terrible idea. People on trains and buses would no longer be able to use their phone. I don't want my phone restricted because other people are too stupid to take responsibility for their actions. How about people just grow -up and get off the damn phone?
What I think they should do is just ban irresponsible people from owning cell phones. If it goes off in the cinema, or you get caught using it while driving... Have it taken away and crushed, and you can't legally own one again for 3 years. It would be difficult to enforce within the current system, but so so awesome when it worked!
Unfortunately people aren't able to behave properly, which leads to laws being created to regulate such behavior. Despite laws being on the books for decades people still can't be trusted to drive sober and DUIs kill tons of people. Deaths from texting/phone use while driving have now passed death from DUI related events so that very significant, so while should it get a free pass?
Simply taking away their cell phones will not end the problem, it's way too easy to go aquire a new phone, even if they block you with your provider you can simply walk into a different carrier or even buy a prepaid phone which is impossible to regulate.
But it all comes down to people's self importance of wanting to text, lol, rofl, running late, love you babe, etc is more important then the lives and welfare of other people. Fething absurd.
This is a case where the technology that is causing the problem can also offer a very viable solution to preventing that very problem. It would be very simple to eliminate a lot of deaths by having the phones lock themselves when moving at speeds above what people travel at while foot (or slower moving vehicle, under 20mph/32kpm)
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Thus defeating the whole purpose of having a mobile phone.
or get off the train at a stop.
Assuming you're not already late, and trying to text someone to say you're going to be late... That might be workable on inner city trains, but on cross country trains there are sometimes hours between stops, and you can't just get off, because your ticket is for that one train and seat.
Your idea punishes everyone, including non-drivers, for something that a minority of drivers do, which is already illegal. AND it won't work. It's far too oppressive, the first thing everyone will do (especially mobile addicts) is find a way to circumvent it so they can use their phone without that stupidity.
Deaths from texting/phone use while driving have now passed death from DUI related events so that very significant, so while should it get a free pass?
It doesn't get a 'free pass' texting while driving should be illegal and carry severe penalties, just like being drunk while driving. They didn't ban alcohol because of drink driving. And even the cars that won't start without a breathalyzer are less oppressive than your idea (at least you can still be drunk on the train).
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Well using the same GPS based technology one could assume that they'd be able to mark the position of people traveling on trains, so people on those routes wouldn't have their phones locked. The tracking technology on the phones is smart enough to distinguish if you are travelling in a train route or if you are on streets. Yeah it'd be annoying for people in cars but cars can pull over just anywhere to make a quick call.
Trains and taxi transportation could even offer something along the lines of a hard wired phone like they offer on planes so that passengers could make outgoing calls while mobile. The same could also be used in cars with a built in dashboard system to insure hands free operation. So people would still not have to be out of communication, but it would remove the cell phones as being a factor as they require you to remove your visual attention to use. Lots of options for people still being able to talk, but making due without cell phone texting.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Y'know what else we should do. Breathlyzers in every car.
Having a close friend that was killed by a drunk driver who had multiple prior offenses I'd fully support it. The guy who killed my friend already had 7 prior DUI arrests and was driving a borrowed car without a license. One of those was a previous car accident that killed two other people and he only got 3 fething months in jail. They finally "threw the book at him" and gave him 2 years for killing my friend, with probation for good behavior he was released in 14 months.
Nice to know that you can kill 3 people with a car and it won't impede your lifestyle.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Y'know what else we should do. Breathlyzers in every car.
Having a close friend that was killed by a drunk driver who had multiple prior offenses I'd fully support it. The guy who killed my friend already had 7 prior DUI arrests and was driving a borrowed car without a license. One of those was a previous car accident that killed two other people and he only got 3 fething months in jail. They finally "threw the book at him" and gave him 2 years for killing my friend, with probation for good behavior he was released in 14 months.
Nice to know that you can kill 3 people with a car and it won't impede your lifestyle.
NY... a place so fethed up you basically can't own any firearms (or at least carry them), can't get a decent sized soft drink... but you can drink drive and kill multiple people.... Sounds about right to me.
That's completely fethed about your friend. I would say that *normally* people learn their lesson after 1 DUI, or especially after a DUI in which they kill 1 person.... I feel especially bad for the next family this turd affects, though I do hope that if it does happen again, the "book" includes Life due to 3 strikes.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Y'know what else we should do. Breathlyzers in every car.
Having a close friend that was killed by a drunk driver who had multiple prior offenses I'd fully support it. The guy who killed my friend already had 7 prior DUI arrests and was driving a borrowed car without a license. One of those was a previous car accident that killed two other people and he only got 3 fething months in jail. They finally "threw the book at him" and gave him 2 years for killing my friend, with probation for good behavior he was released in 14 months.
Nice to know that you can kill 3 people with a car and it won't impede your lifestyle.
NY... a place so fethed up you basically can't own any firearms (or at least carry them), can't get a decent sized soft drink... but you can drink drive and kill multiple people.... Sounds about right to me.
That's completely fethed about your friend. I would say that *normally* people learn their lesson after 1 DUI, or especially after a DUI in which they kill 1 person.... I feel especially bad for the next family this turd affects, though I do hope that if it does happen again, the "book" includes Life due to 3 strikes.
While I was living in Albuquerque, NM we had people with over a dozen DUIs still driving. They'd have someone else blow into the breathalyzer (one guy was caught having his 9 y/o do so,) and if their liscense was revoked they'd drive without it. Vehicle takes away, they'd use someone elses. So my experience has not been that people learn after 1 DUI, which is a shame.
As for the ad, that was really impressive, but I kind of felt like everyone was expecting a text (they were all so fast to get their phones out.)
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Sigh.....you dont get it, you would just pay some seedy person to breath into it
True, no matter what the laws are people still aren't going to obey them, simply because it'd "cramp their lifestyle" Drunks get in their car because they don't feel they should have to walk and they give two feths about who else they put at risk. Just like every gakker that decides to text while driving. OMG I can't live for 30 seconds without responding to this text or call regardless of who else I endanger in the process.
Personally I think that anyone who causes a fatal accident via DUI or texting should be charged with murder in the same manner as if they shot or stabbed someone. (manslaughter at the very least) But unfortunately in most cases they just get a slap on the wrist by our legal system.
I think that repeat DUI offenders with fatalities should be treated as 1st degree murder as they willingly undertook actions that resulted in a death. Oh but I was drunk and didn't know what I was doing is no fething excuse when you've had previous convictions.
As for the ad, that was really impressive, but I kind of felt like everyone was expecting a text (they were all so fast to get their phones out.)
My girlfriend's whole life revolves around her damn phone, if it's not already out she's like Quickdraw McGraw with it and it's out a fraction of a second from when it beeps. Doesn't matter if she's in the theatre, driving a car, or in the middle of dinner she's on it in a flash. We fight about it all the time as she has no damn sense for when she's acting totally inappropriately.
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