Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Mysterious Pants wrote:

 alanmckenzie wrote:

bryceloop wrote:
releasing bits before the codex is a blatant "F-U" to 40k players.

How so?

From the way I play, you look at the codex first to see what your choices are and THEN buy yourself some models. This isn't some powergaming thing it's just to see what you'll be getting, how you can use it, and if it'll be any fun to play around with. Buying models before having the codex in hand is jumping the gun.

Games Workshop expecting you to get the models before the codex is ridiculous. Without the codex in hand, how can you tell what any of your shiny new toys will do?

I would advise all GW players who are looking into the Orks to wait for the Codex...

Well yeah, I totally agree. I would advise all players to look at their codex before deciding what models they buy (some people, of course, buy purely on aesthetics anyway regardless of the rules but I think they are in the minority. The majority would be somewhere in between aesthetics and effectiveness). You want to know if you're going to get a lot of use out of them.

So ork players wait, what, two, three weeks, for a look at the codex before buying any new models? What's the issue? Who says that everything must be bought on release day?

I just totally fail to understand how anyone can call releasing new models (some of which have their rules printed in WD anyway) a couple of weeks before a codex, a "blatant FU to players".

In fact, it's a completely ridiculous thing to say.

I think the Flash Gits look incredibly cut and paste. They all look like the same guy with different weapons, for a gigantic price.

 alanmckenzie wrote:

 Mysterious Pants wrote:

 alanmckenzie wrote:

bryceloop wrote:
releasing bits before the codex is a blatant "F-U" to 40k players.

How so?

From the way I play, you look at the codex first to see what your choices are and THEN buy yourself some models. This isn't some powergaming thing it's just to see what you'll be getting, how you can use it, and if it'll be any fun to play around with. Buying models before having the codex in hand is jumping the gun.

Games Workshop expecting you to get the models before the codex is ridiculous. Without the codex in hand, how can you tell what any of your shiny new toys will do?

I would advise all GW players who are looking into the Orks to wait for the Codex...

Well yeah, I totally agree. I would advise all players to look at their codex before deciding what models they buy (some people, of course, buy purely on aesthetics anyway regardless of the rules but I think they are in the minority. The majority would be somewhere in between aesthetics and effectiveness). You want to know if you're going to get a lot of use out of them.

So ork players wait, what, two, three weeks, for a look at the codex before buying any new models? What's the issue? Who says that everything must be bought on release day?

I just totally fail to understand how anyone can call releasing new models (some of which have their rules printed in WD anyway) a couple of weeks before a codex, a "blatant FU to players".

In fact, it's a completely ridiculous thing to say.

Do they send you a free White Dwarf magazine when you buy the new model?

It's like saying "hey let's sell toys for the next Toy Story movie, before we release the movie." Everyone will just trust that Toy Story 6 is going to be great, but really we all know the franchise is tired. Deep down, we know...

And how about that codex deal... That`s a total rip-off

Not disappointed as I expect worse tbh, it's just another ill-advised way to try to milk every last cent from their customers at the expense of long term business. I hope it backfires, which it seems to have done - people are far less excited than with a single big release landing with the codex.

I want to get the codex but the way that its dragged on so much I find myself checking the rumours thread less and less every day... hard to keep interest with how theyre releasing things

 alanmckenzie wrote:

 Mysterious Pants wrote:

 alanmckenzie wrote:

bryceloop wrote:
releasing bits before the codex is a blatant "F-U" to 40k players.

How so?

From the way I play, you look at the codex first to see what your choices are and THEN buy yourself some models. This isn't some powergaming thing it's just to see what you'll be getting, how you can use it, and if it'll be any fun to play around with. Buying models before having the codex in hand is jumping the gun.

Games Workshop expecting you to get the models before the codex is ridiculous. Without the codex in hand, how can you tell what any of your shiny new toys will do?

I would advise all GW players who are looking into the Orks to wait for the Codex...

Well yeah, I totally agree. I would advise all players to look at their codex before deciding what models they buy (some people, of course, buy purely on aesthetics anyway regardless of the rules but I think they are in the minority. The majority would be somewhere in between aesthetics and effectiveness). You want to know if you're going to get a lot of use out of them.

So ork players wait, what, two, three weeks, for a look at the codex before buying any new models? What's the issue? Who says that everything must be bought on release day?

I just totally fail to understand how anyone can call releasing new models (some of which have their rules printed in WD anyway) a couple of weeks before a codex, a "blatant FU to players".

In fact, it's a completely ridiculous thing to say.

darkcloak wrote:
Do they send you a free White Dwarf magazine when you buy the new model?

Of course not. But the point is that the rules are there for people who just simply have to have the new models on the day of release. And if the rules aren't in WD? Wait a couple of weeks.

I repeat....

releasing bits before the codex is a blatant "F-U" to 40k players.

...is a totally ridiculous thing to say. Mind boggling.

It's like saying "hey let's sell toys for the next Toy Story movie, before we release the movie." Everyone will just trust that Toy Story 6 is going to be great, but really we all know the franchise is tired. Deep down, we know...

You've lost me here.

And how about that codex deal... That`s a total rip-off

And what?

Dragonzord wrote:
I want to get the codex but the way that its dragged on so much I find myself checking the rumours thread less and less every day... hard to keep interest with how theyre releasing things

Yeah, pretty much. I get what they're trying to do but it's hard to be excited for like six straight weeks. WD is weekly now so I guess they want to have something new in each issue, and in all fairness this is a big release with lots of new kits so spreading it out gives them time to give each new model its due attention. I would have been a lot more excited if the codex had been released first, personally, but presumably it contains pictures of all the new models so it would rather spoil the surprise. But a two or even three week schedule from first pre-order to last release would have been a lot more exciting than the five to six week drawn out business we have now.

It's like those anime cartoons where the one dude starts charging up his super move and you're like "oh man, this is going to be EPIC" and then three episodes later he's still charging up his super move and you just want to scream "FOR FRAK'S SAKE GET ON WITH IT!"

Codex should have been released first, no ifs ands or buts, this new thing they are trying is stupid. Its like they realized they already wrote crap rules for the mork/gorkanaught and if the book came out before the models and people could see how they don't interact very well with the rest of it, the models would languish on the shelves. The mek guns will too, but for price reasons. I suspect we will see a lot of kit bashed versions, but I doubt I will ever see 5 new out of the box sitting on a table across from me. 240 bucks for 150 points max is just a giant turn off. On the bright side, my local hobbyshop is pleased with the plasticard sales, and I bet kromlech with its juggernaught orcs, and cannons and such is wringing their hands with joy now that their prices are not only competitive, but cheaper.

I'm not as dissapointed with the schedule as I am with the release itself. Other than a redundant big walker, there's nothing really "new" for Orks this time.

The miniatures themselves are nothing to write home about either. So far only the Flash Gitz have caught my attention. The big guns' grot crew looks characterful, but the guns themselves strike me as rather bland, like cobbled together from pre-made CAD files from other kits. They do keep with established orky themes and mesh well with the rest of the army, but at the expense of innovation and visual appeal. The new SAG mek is, IMHO, inferior to the old one, and the lack of alternate gear and weaponry options is off-putting. As for the 'nauts... all I can say is I liked the Taurox better.

And don't get me started on the prices. 30€ for a monopose SAG mek? 38 for a single artillery piece? No way, Jose.

In all, the codex would better be good. Eldar good. This release has probably opened my eyes to the dire state 40k is in these days.

I'm excited.

It's you gitz sucking the fun out of the forums with crying because you can't afford it, it doesn't look good enough, and it isn't the newest most OP thing.

For the record, only the first two of those matters to me, for the last twenty years of my 40k career.

there's a schedule for the release?
it's not the drawn-out, one new model/kit a week that bugs me... it's that we have no clue what is coming out more than a week in advance. afaik, there has been no official statement from gw concerning the release of a new ork codex. it'd be awfully silly of them not to put one out, after all these new units coming out, but at this point, there has been zero confirmation.
as much as i dislike warmahordes, at least privateer press is good enough to announce their models months in advance...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
there's a schedule for the release?
it's not the drawn-out, one new model/kit a week that bugs me... it's that we have no clue what is coming out more than a week in advance. afaik, there has been no official statement from gw concerning the release of a new ork codex. it'd be awfully silly of them not to put one out, after all these new units coming out, but at this point, there has been zero confirmation.
as much as i dislike warmahordes, at least privateer press is good enough to announce their models months in advance...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
apologies for the double-post. connection went spotty on me.

 Rismonite wrote:
I'm excited.

It's you gitz sucking the fun out of the forums with crying because you can't afford it, it doesn't look good enough, and it isn't the newest most OP thing.

Aren't those first two kinda important? Like really, really important for a hobby that's supposed to be fun? The OP thing? That's you putting words into mouths that didn't say that. Not wanting it to suck isn't the same as wanting it to be OP.

 kronk wrote:
Was Astra Militarum the last codex release?

Was it lackluster?

It seems to me that people were ga-ga for it.

ZOMG! Divination Psychers everywhere!

7th release was lackluster. AM release was good. Tyranid one was lackluster.


I'm sure they are already done for. GW's unwillingness to adapt and the mentality that they own their customers will condemn them within a couple of years.

Rismonite wrote:I'm excited.

It's you gitz sucking the fun out of the forums with crying because you can't afford it, it doesn't look good enough, and it isn't the newest most OP thing.

Yep, you got us. *Looks over at complete Cryx army, p/eBaldur Tier Circle army, Arianda sectorial, and many Malifaux crews* You're right. I cannot afford the new Orks because I done spent it all on better stuff. Darn.

SHUPPET wrote:

7th release was lackluster. AM release was good. Tyranid one was lackluster.


I'm sure they are already done for. GW's unwillingness to adapt and the mentality that they own their customers will condemn them within a couple of years.

What is this "AM" you speak of? Was this a specific morning release? Or do you mean Imperial Guard. Wish people wouldn't use the obvious "let's change names to fake Latin to trademark it" stuff. That's one thing that made that release bad along with the Storm Troopers book for cash grab, the deletion of many units, and an overall "play Cadia or else" vanilla feel of the book. But Wyverns and 50 man fearless conscript blobs for 175 points are both good. *shrug*

As for the Orks, you have a big stompy walker that's $5 cheaper than a Stompa and it's half the size and a bunch of miniatures that almost every Ork player has already kit bashed their own. I don't see why they even made some of the models as they seemed too highly priced for Ork players. Most usually take spare bits, roll it in some cut up plasticard and call that their "flashgit" or "whosawhatsit."

So far the Ork release makes little sense and seems way too highly priced for what you're getting or what you'd need to make them effective.

Yes and I am not that thrilled about their new models

 TheKbob wrote:

Rismonite wrote:I'm excited.

It's you gitz sucking the fun out of the forums with crying because you can't afford it, it doesn't look good enough, and it isn't the newest most OP thing.

Yep, you got us. *Looks over at complete Cryx army, p/eBaldur Tier Circle army, Arianda sectorial, and many Malifaux crews* You're right. I cannot afford the new Orks because I done spent it all on better stuff. Darn.

SHUPPET wrote:

7th release was lackluster. AM release was good. Tyranid one was lackluster.


I'm sure they are already done for. GW's unwillingness to adapt and the mentality that they own their customers will condemn them within a couple of years.

What is this "AM" you speak of? Was this a specific morning release? Or do you mean Imperial Guard. Wish people wouldn't use the obvious "let's change names to fake Latin to trademark it" stuff. That's one thing that made that release bad along with the Storm Troopers book for cash grab, the deletion of many units, and an overall "play Cadia or else" vanilla feel of the book. But Wyverns and 50 man fearless conscript blobs for 175 points are both good. *shrug*

If you look at AM in the rulebook, they only use AM for the heading, and every referance to the army after that is 'Imperial Guard'... seems kinda pointless to change it.

Personally I like what I see.

However as others have said the slow release schedule is killing my hype, I've been very patient with it as I really want some plastic Meganobz, but the releases have been too slow for me imo..

That and price..

I think this release will be a one-off though, I think they have only done this for Orks in this way as 7th ed. has just been released and they think this weekly schedule of Orks will allow players to recuperate their money ready to buy the codex when it is finally released..

 MWHistorian wrote:
I haven't been paying attention to the new Ork stuff.

Each Week they are releasing one new Ork Kit, and highlighting it in the White Dwarf one week befores release. Rules for new model included in the White Dwarf.

What about it do you find disappointing?

I'm happy with the relase schedule, but there seem to be two counter aguments.

1.) WAAAGGHHG !!!! I want it now
and
2.) WAAAAGHGHG!!! I want it now, and the new codex, they haven't officially announced yet, so I can decide my army list NOW

Why?

Impatience

It's pretty lame they still haven't released the codex. If they released it, I'd be more inclined to buy the models now rather than waiting. That way, I could tweak my list depending on what rules were changed. I am fairly certain I will want the Morkanaut since it takes a KFF and seems fairly strong as far as damage taking goes.

Don't understand people's problem with the release schedule. So you have to wait a few extra weeks to get the whole story for something you'll use for multiple years...

It'll all be forgotten after the codex comes out.

 Overlord Thraka wrote:
I love the release schedule. I'm poor so it gives me time to save up for each new release. That being said I still don't have a single one. Or the 7th ed Rulebook... I need a job...

BUT. I the prices aren't actually that bad for me. I buy on Ebay!

They are Bad fro me as I want my LGS to stay in buisness which means actually buying from them not ebay.

The release schedule makes total sense they have somthing to put in the WD for the last few weeks.

Well, part of the excitement of any release is the explosion of NEW. With this new format, there's just a single thing at a time, which is easier to handle if you play the army, albeit much less thrilling. I personally wouldn't mind this sort of release format for my army even though I wouldn't prefer it.

I'd personally prefer if they made it a bit faster, with 2 sets of models a week rather than just one at least with the codex being at least being pre-orderable by the 2nd week. Them dragging it out this long only makes people more antsy and less likely to impulse buy since we don't even have access to the codex yet IMO and given how bloody high the prices are for things like the Mek Guns.

I'm glad they made it slow, it totally stopped me impulse buying Orks. When I heard Orks were coming out, I was totally pumped to restart my Ork army (only have a few hundred points from years gone by).

Somewhere between the Gorka/Morkanaut and the overpriced Big Gunz the release lost its impetus for me, the hype is gone even though the Codex isn't even out yet.

So, thanks GW, for saving me some moneys!

NamelessBard wrote:
Don't understand people's problem with the release schedule. So you have to wait a few extra weeks to get the whole story for something you'll use for multiple years...

It'll all be forgotten after the codex comes out.

Haven't you been reading the peoples posts? They explained why, I even explained why we have a problem with the release schedule. It has NOTHING to do with waiting a "few extra weeks". It's about the EXCITEMENT, the ANTICIPATION, is not there. The release seems BORING and UNEVENTFUL is what a lot of us are saying, nothing to do that we have to wait.

I was excited at first, but now I'm kinda 'meh'. It's on me though - I saw the gorkanaut and thought 'Oooh! Ork knight!' but it's basically just a larger deff dread. It's not bad, but it isn't what I was looking for!

The flash gitz are great in my opinion. I love their design and I'm very tempted to make a whole army themed around them.

I also like the 'new' shokk attack gun mek. I realize it's barely different than the old one, but I like it slightly more. I'm not sure about the mek gunz. I like the rules, but the models almost seem too big somehow.

I am bummed that the codex hasn't come out yet. I really want to see what they've changed in the ork background and what they've added to it. Plus I'm really curious about what we're getting in the codex. Are we getting new themes to build around?

I think the slow release is annoying, but mostly because 7th just came out and I'm really desperate to see what a true 7th edition codex will look like. That and I love orks... But hey, I should be able to survive another week or two without the codex!

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm glad they made it slow, it totally stopped me impulse buying Orks. When I heard Orks were coming out, I was totally pumped to restart my Ork army (only have a few hundred points from years gone by).

Somewhere between the Gorka/Morkanaut and the overpriced Big Gunz the release lost its impetus for me, the hype is gone even though the Codex isn't even out yet.

So, thanks GW, for saving me some moneys!

Yeah, this is the biggest thing I've noticed with this release. When the Gorkanaut came out, I thought it looked cool but already have two scratch-built mini-stompas that actually look better in my opinion (but this is this largely due to the fact that they are gorgeous little buggers ) so I didn't feel the need to make a purchase. Also, the Gorkanaut costing only $10 less than a stompa really made me balk, so I was happy I didn't need one.

When the Flash Gitz came out, I thought they were pretty awesome but seeing that $53 price tag discouraged me from picking them up. I still think I will end up picking up one kit for conversion potential (since all stories about them point to there being a wealth of bits), but I would really like to see the rules to decide whether I want to make actual Flash Gitz or something else.

The artillery and Mek with SAG made me shake my head vigorously. $46 for six grots and one gun?! And on top of that, it doesn't seem like there are that many spare bits. I could just pick up a Forgeworld big gun for 60% less and the detail will be that much better. The SAG is essentially the same as the old metal version (though I wish he didn't look so derpy/was bracing the gun better), but he's a plastic model priced at the same level he was when he was metal! I'm sorry, I just can't get behind $25+ single characters, and he's a whole $13 more than that! (yes he's got a big gun, but still) It reminds me of when the Dwarf Gyrocopter came out for $45, and it turned out the model was smaller than a GW paint pot!

But I suppose most of this is systemic issues with GW. I am afraid to see how expensive the Meganobz will be...

After talking with my local GW manager about the new release schedule, he gave a preaty good explanation. Weekly relase have started for two reasons. The first one, massive monthly release created a problem of attendance in GW store with lots of people comming in the first few days after the relaese, causing problems of overcrowding and the opposite problem later. The second reason, the creation of Warhammer Vision and the transformation of White Dwarf in a weekly magasine.

If the Ork Codex hasn't been released yet, it's because it created an other problem: it killed the hype for the future release of that army. In the Codex, you have all the rules and more importantly (considering the rules for the new units are in White Dwarf) images of all the new models that will be released in the next weeks.

Of course it's far from perfect. It feels slow when a model looks bad (or has terrible rules, but in my opinion their is very few models has of now with such a predicament), the entire release for that week is useless. Finally some gamers (I most admit I must include myself in that group sometime) fear to by new product before reading their codex to see how it balanced itself even if GW never really changed the way each army play itself.

Has of now, I considered the Ork release a bit boring. Beside the Flash Gitz, nothing really catch my attention. The giant clanker is nice and so is the big gunz but they don't represent something «new» to me. I would have hoped for something crazy and ridiculus like a farm vehicule transformed in a death machine with whirling blades and a frothing ork on top, a remodeling of the old buggy to make them more dynamic and ramshackle or the single most terrifing thing GW ever produced a squad of ork cheerleders from the old bloodbowl game. Perhapse the last release will improve the total but I doubt it. Has the «old» saying goes: Hope is the first step on the road of disappointment.

On the subject of release though, I supposed we will see some other release in that format and GW will probably try to tweek it again in the close future to get a better balance of hype, practicality and «publicity».

Thank you Epronovost for the explanation.

For me that is a stupid excuse. I mean releasing the codex last so it doesn't spoil the other release is DUMB. Wouldn't that build EXCITEMENT? Seeing what is in your codex and you want to buy it.

Then again, it proves the rules are crap. So what GW is saying is if you read the codex first, it will tell you NOT to buy the minis later? I mean WTF?! The codex should be telling us what to buy and get excited for.

Just goes to prove you that GW can't make a good codex for people to get excited about and actually wanting to buy new minis.