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Fluff speaking. Which loyalist chapter has the best psykers? (Best= most numerous and powerful)

Are you including Space Wolves (who claim not to have them )

No. Wolves are of the fenrisian goddess,

Ameteratsu? But anyways, Best is something you are going to have to quantify in this case.

My thoughts are that the Exorcists chapter and of course the Grey Knights are two you should consider.

I'd say the Grey knights, not only do they have potent psykers, but they work in harmony with eachother.

GK by far.

GK outclass all other chapters including Blood Ravens.

Yeah, GK these days are the most powerful, psychically speaking, followed by the Space Wolves (despite their words, they are psykers! Divinely inspired miracles work in a completely different fashion!) and then probably the Ultramarines, to be honest, simply by virtue of being able to claim every successor psyker in the galaxy.

Grey Knights perform feats the average Librarian would claim impossible. To stand against the Daemons in body, and be immune in mind and soul...to walk among the warp, even for moments, and arrive the other side (teleportation) without even Terminator Armour to protect yourself...to live in the Warp, free from taint (Draigo)...bringing oneself back from the dead... creating Earthquakes in the warp, bending shots and lasers around corners, burning the soul from a being's body? How about stripping a Daemon of its patrons gifts? Powerful enough for you? No? Think about Captain Stern? 6" of insta-kill. Just make his own black hole? Or Mordrak, able to psychically resurrect his fallen brothers as a bodyguard, subconciously?

How about Draigo? Beats Kavoth (Bloodthirster) with naught but a broken sword and psychic flames, give him True Death, then drive the taint from his axe (containing the essence of another Greater Daemon) and reforged his sword? Using his powers to topple Tzeentch's Inevitable City and then using flames to start a forest fire in Nurgle's garden? All while wandering the warp, free from taint, alone?

Could Tigurius do that? Mephiston? Any Librarian? Could any Librarian do any one of those things?

I don't think we have much relevant information to use to properly answer this question.

Also, why do you say space wolves are second most psychically gifted chapter?

Why do Blood Ravens have the best? They have lots, but they also seem to have almost zero resistance to Chaos, and none spring to mind as especially powerful, without resorting to sorcery.
Grey Knights win by default, 100% psychic chapter, focusing powers to make a whole greater than the sum of parts etc. Then we have their specialists, Thawn resurrecting, Stern being a top daemon banisher, Crowe constantly battling a powerful daemon weapon, Mordrak bringing back the ghosts of his men to avenge their deaths, and then we have Draigo...

Salamanders, but only because of Da'kir.

Black Templar?

As said grey knights have this pretty well sewn up, exorcists would be fairly strong too and BA all have some latent psychic abilities

 Exergy wrote:
Black Templar?

Have no psykers at all.

I'd say Dark Angels. They need to be able to get into the minds of the fallen they capture, so they would have a numerous psykers for the mind-reading.

That doesn't mean those psykers are particularly good at it.

Grey Knigths, no one else comes close. They stand leauges appart from anyone else that is loyal to the emperor

Okay, we all know the Grey Knights are the Imperium's best power armored psykers but they were made to be. As far as regular chapters, that depends on what you classify as best. Blood Ravens have the most but they fall to Chaos a lot. Space Wolves have a good amount and are powerful but they deny that they are psykers. Blood Angels have psyker dreadnoughts. The Ultramarines have the best single unit psyker along with discipline but Imperial Fists also have the same discipline. Dark Angels also delve into it but it hasn't really been said their capacity for it.

*enters*

"Thousand Sons."

*Leaves*

 Envihon wrote:
Okay, we all know the Grey Knights are the Imperium's best power armored psykers but they were made to be. As far as regular chapters, that depends on what you classify as best. Blood Ravens have the most but they fall to Chaos a lot. Space Wolves have a good amount and are powerful but they deny that they are psykers. Blood Angels have psyker dreadnoughts. The Ultramarines have the best single unit psyker along with discipline but Imperial Fists also have the same discipline. Dark Angels also delve into it but it hasn't really been said their capacity for it.

Basically this. GK wins hands downed for loyalist chapter psykers. Past that, it becomes a question. BR have the most but... well they were in a set of games and don't really get representation after that. How can one really say what their might is in the end? All you can say is that they have many. SW have many strong ones, BA have psyker dreads, and UM have the legendary Tiggy. Expanding upon this, you have Salamanders that have a psyker that revives continuously or some nonsense in them as a great psyker that can become some flaming spear or something that zooms around space and slices a vessel (although he has to die and then wait to be reborn or some nonsense). It's rather variable and flexible with no average being known. It could be BA, it could be UM, it could be SW, it could be BR... heck it could even be some chapter we have never heard of!

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
*enters*

"Thousand Sons."

*Leaves*

He said NOT counting the Blood Ravens! Seriously though, GK's win hands down. But ignoring THEM, since they're not a "normal" chapter, I honestly feel like the like the Blood Angels are up there. Mephiston is a beast, they have psychic dreadnoughts, and just seem to be very gifted in general. I don't know why so many people think that SW's, with their "we swear we're not psykers cause we carve runes and use herbs and crap" psykers, are the best. They have a tendency to get abilities that make them useful on the tabletop, but the tabletop isn't a perfect representation of the fluff, or you'd have tactical squads holding off hundreds of enemy troops. Rune Priests being superior in the fluff? Seems like typical SW fanboy thinking to me.

 Zakiriel wrote:
Ameteratsu? .

What?! That visionary Jutsu from Naruto? What?!

But yeah. Grey Knights by far

 Overlord Thraka wrote:

 Zakiriel wrote:
Ameteratsu? .

What?! That visionary Jutsu from Naruto? What?!

But yeah. Grey Knights by far

Amaterasu is the Shinto god of the sun.

 fallinq wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
*enters*

"Thousand Sons."

*Leaves*

He said NOT counting the Blood Ravens! Seriously though, GK's win hands down. But ignoring THEM, since they're not a "normal" chapter, I honestly feel like the like the Blood Angels are up there. Mephiston is a beast, they have psychic dreadnoughts, and just seem to be very gifted in general. I don't know why so many people think that SW's, with their "we swear we're not psykers cause we carve runes and use herbs and crap" psykers, are the best. They have a tendency to get abilities that make them useful on the tabletop, but the tabletop isn't a perfect representation of the fluff, or you'd have tactical squads holding off hundreds of enemy troops. Rune Priests being superior in the fluff? Seems like typical SW fanboy thinking to me.

I am glad I am not the only one who looks at the similarities between the Blood Ravens and the Thousand Sons and says "Wait a second!". But some of this community don't think the Blood Ravens are the last vestige of the Thousand Sons loyalists.

Anyway, I would argue that GK are even better psykers than the Thousand Sons were in Horus Heresy. GK never have fallen to Chaos and have a far more disciplined take on psychic abilities than the Thousand Sons did which opened them up to the manipulation of Tzeentch.

Co'tor Shas wrote:
Amaterasu is the Shinto god of the sun.

Goddess, actually.

Ignatius wrote:I don't think we have much relevant information to use to properly answer this question.

Also, why do you say space wolves are second most psychically gifted chapter?

The Space Wolves' powers are elemental in nature and very wide-reaching. The kinds of environmental manipulation they can achieve in a space of seconds with their brains and a couple of carved stones require major rituals for most sorcerers. They're also the only Loyalist psykers who have been shown to be able to navigate the warp. Plus, they have their Mary Sue powers to make sure that even if any given Runepriest goes head to head with a named psychic character, the runepriest will win (Wulfrik Generikkson meets Ahriman? Wulfrik will win somehow, because the freaking universe realigns itself to make sure it happens).

Envihon wrote:I am glad I am not the only one who looks at the similarities between the Blood Ravens and the Thousand Sons and says "Wait a second!". But some of this community don't think the Blood Ravens are the last vestige of the Thousand Sons loyalists.

Anyway, I would argue that GK are even better psykers than the Thousand Sons were in Horus Heresy. GK never have fallen to Chaos and have a far more disciplined take on psychic abilities than the Thousand Sons did which opened them up to the manipulation of Tzeentch.

The Thousand Sons had an incredibly disciplined take on psychic abilities. They codified and recorded and trained everything to the smallest minutiae. They only turned to chaos when the Imperium themselves cast them out and gave them no other choice but death. The moral weakness of the Thousand Sons wasn't inherent to their psychic powers, but rooted in their basic human fear of destruction. When put in the same situation as the Thousand Sons (stranded on a daemon world with no hope of rescue), Justicar Alaric of the Grey Knights did exactly the same thing - gave himself over to the reigning chaos god (in his case, slaughtering other gladiators in the name of khorne).

Edit: On the subject of the Blood Ravens, they certainly not loyalist thousand sons - they've only been around since mid M.41 - but they could well be created from frozen Thousand Son gene seed after the Biologis worked out how to stop the flesh change. I just wish their "psychic mastery" and "higher number of psykers" were actually represented in the games... I hate Informed Ability.

Envihon wrote:I am glad I am not the only one who looks at the similarities between the Blood Ravens and the Thousand Sons and says "Wait a second!". But some of this community don't think the Blood Ravens are the last vestige of the Thousand Sons loyalists.

Anyway, I would argue that GK are even better psykers than the Thousand Sons were in Horus Heresy. GK never have fallen to Chaos and have a far more disciplined take on psychic abilities than the Thousand Sons did which opened them up to the manipulation of Tzeentch.

The Thousand Sons had an incredibly disciplined take on psychic abilities. They codified and recorded and trained everything to the smallest minutiae. They only turned to chaos when the Imperium themselves cast them out and gave them no other choice but death. The moral weakness of the Thousand Sons wasn't inherent to their psychic powers, but rooted in their basic human fear of destruction. When put in the same situation as the Thousand Sons (stranded on a daemon world with no hope of rescue), Justicar Alaric of the Grey Knights did exactly the same thing - gave himself over to the reigning chaos god (in his case, slaughtering other gladiators in the name of khorne).

Edit: On the subject of the Blood Ravens, they certainly not loyalist thousand sons - they've only been around since mid M.41 - but they could well be created from frozen Thousand Son gene seed after the Biologis worked out how to stop the flesh change. I just wish their "psychic mastery" and "higher number of psykers" were actually represented in the games... I hate Informed Ability.

Black Templars - The best Psyker is none at all.

@Envihon: The most basic element of how you are comparing the Grey Knights to the Thousand Sons is incredibly flawed. Your argument is that because the Grey Knights are resistant to Chaos that they are the more powerful psykers. The Grey Knights are designed specifically to combat Chaos, all of their psychic talents are honed for this purpose, all of their equipment is designed for this purpose. So how do you justify using the purpose of their entire existence as the scale with which you compare them to other psykers? It's a poor method of comparison, simply put.

A Thousand Sons coven protected an entire capital city from being bombarded by an entire Heresy Era Legion fleet for a time.
I think that pretty much trumps everything.