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2019/05/27 16:49:18
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
Not really historical but this probably fits best in here
due this autumn apparently, and at 1/35 is probably going to be bigger than Dust etc walkers (so it would work very well as a superheavy for weird WWII gaming etc)
2019/06/11 14:11:19
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
...That's totally not a knock off of one of Dust's heavy walkers (and not the first time Model Collect have done that. Oh well, intellectual property doesn't exist in the gaming industry outside of GW).
Most Alt History games start up and die after a while. I suspect in part because they don't bother with actual historical accuracy, so don't manage to siphon off the historical market. Rather its the type of gamers who came from Games like 40K who may be interested instead. Who are typically flippant as to what they play, so eventually disappear off to collect something else with lasers and silly looking tanks.
Currently as far as I'm aware there's only really Konflikt 47. Secrets of the Third Reich had a revival, but it didn't seem to gain a massive amount of interest. Even K47 seems like a second or third tier product as far as Warlord Games are concerned. Its still supported and receiving expansions, with a release schedule set up for the immediate future (with big releases set for September). However its kind of tied to Bolt Action, and from what I played more like a home brew than a well balanced rule set. Tacking on features which are a bit cheesier than the regular WWII game.
Personally I just use existing rules sets and tack on the alternative history models. Its simple to stat them up if they're at least tied to reality (and not just space ships with plasma cannons). Though my own tastes lead me to just modifying other rules like Star Wars: Legion or Tanks for whatever setting I'm playing, rather than adopting a period specific set of rules.
Now I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that the dust setting is totally dead here in the uk. ‘‘Tis a shame really as the mech kits were pretty cool.
2019/06/13 00:45:42
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
At least there's a few 1/72nd scale alternative history aircraft out there. Though in my own experience the real special stuff was done as short runs in resin, not mass produced plastic kits. I'd been looking for a helicopter for some German Paratroopers for instance, though just couldn't find the particular model I wanted, or the alternatives for a reasonable price.
It seems like historical miniatures are either focused on the smaller or larger scales, not the space in between, You can't even find a 1/50th resin kit for a T-54/5 - the most produced tank in history - if that's a way of judging things. I mostly just scratch build or convert my own stuff (which helps that I focus on modern vehicles largely based on Soviet era designs, and alt-history WWII stuff which to ease manufacturing used existing components ...eugh, other than these damn Soviets I'm working on right now who are all over the place - despite their ethos of incremental changes).
...Ah, but I'm perhaps bringing the baggage of a historical modeler into a thread mostly concerned about stuff which looks cool for 40K. Most I suspect will just stick a drain pipe onto that tank I'm griping about the details with and call it a Leman Russ.
2019/06/14 09:02:02
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
Wyrmalla wrote: At least there's a few 1/72nd scale alternative history aircraft out there. Though in my own experience the real special stuff was done as short runs in resin, not mass produced plastic kits. I'd been looking for a helicopter for some German Paratroopers for instance, though just couldn't find the particular model I wanted, or the alternatives for a reasonable price.
It seems like historical miniatures are either focused on the smaller or larger scales, not the space in between, You can't even find a 1/50th resin kit for a T-54/5 - the most produced tank in history - if that's a way of judging things. I mostly just scratch build or convert my own stuff (which helps that I focus on modern vehicles largely based on Soviet era designs, and alt-history WWII stuff which to ease manufacturing used existing components ...eugh, other than these damn Soviets I'm working on right now who are all over the place - despite their ethos of incremental changes).
...Ah, but I'm perhaps bringing the baggage of a historical modeler into a thread mostly concerned about stuff which looks cool for 40K. Most I suspect will just stick a drain pipe onto that tank I'm griping about the details with and call it a Leman Russ.
Suppose you don't know any decent sized Artillery pieces that could stand in for a Thudd gun / Heavy mortar or an Earthshaker?
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2019/06/14 12:01:40
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
Something that might work for you is the one with 100 mm field artillery gun:
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[yes, they for some reason made 3 different kits of just that one gun differing in details only, IIRC crew is not included]
They also have german 10.5 cm if you prefer that:
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Thanks, altough the picture links are broken and i can't speak polish beyond the K word.
Is it in the right size ?
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2019/06/14 14:03:59
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
As 40K stand ins I'd imagine you're looking for some massive barrels on your artillery pieces. Which either means going for a larger scale of model and just not focusing on how out of scale the operating controls are, or finding something with such a large bore, If you're using these models for 40K then you'd want to probably err towards larger scales anyway, as the official models tend to have outsized proportions.
There really isn't much in the way of anything in 1/48th scale for set artillery pieces. Outside of Italeri's 88mm flak gun. Even 1/48th scale may be too small however. The largest producers of artillery pieces come in 1/56th scale - commonly used for 28mm historicials, like Warlord Games, Trench Worx, Company B, Perry Miniatures etc. Without working on them most would at best count as Auto or Lascannons, as they'd be just too small for 40K. As are the large bore pieces not something so common in 28mm, as they aren't feasible for actual game use - and those which do appear are mostly self propelled like on tank chassis.
All this to say, most of the 40K applicable artillery pieces seem to come from after market 40K companies like Victoria Miniatures. Though you may get away with the largest of 28mm models like these from Heer 46. Even the Soviet B-4 has a smaller bore than a Leman Russ' Battlecannon (to get to that size in 28mm the piece would have to be the size of a few train cars...).
2019/06/14 14:09:04
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
Wyrmalla wrote: As 40K stand ins I'd imagine you're looking for some massive barrels on your artillery pieces. Which either means going for a larger scale of model and just not focusing on how out of scale the operating controls are, or finding something with such a large bore, If you're using these models for 40K then you'd want to probably err towards larger scales anyway, as the official models tend to have outsized proportions.
There really isn't much in the way of anything in 1/48th scale for set artillery pieces. Outside of Italeri's 88mm flak gun. Even 1/48th scale may be too small however. The largest producers of artillery pieces come in 1/56th scale - commonly used for 28mm historicials, like Warlord Games, Trench Worx, Company B, Perry Miniatures etc. Without working on them most would at best count as Auto or Lascannons, as they'd be just too small for 40K. As are the large bore pieces not something so common in 28mm, as they aren't feasible for actual game use - and those which do appear are mostly self propelled like on tank chassis.
All this to say, most of the 40K applicable artillery pieces seem to come from after market 40K companies like Victoria Miniatures. Though you may get away with the largest of 28mm models like these from Heer 46. Even the Soviet B-4 has a smaller bore than a Leman Russ' Battlecannon (to get to that size in 28mm the piece would have to be the size of a few train cars...).
Thanks, something to mull over, very much appreciated, the diameter does not really concern me, moreso the main part of the gun size wise. ( considering my Renegades and heretics are from the anvil regiments line i am not to concerned with the overbroad barrels.)
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2019/06/14 14:22:33
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
Altough i will probably go with the 10.5 from BA as a heavy mortar/ Quad launcher, altough i would need a comparison pic.
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2019/06/14 18:58:38
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
I have Warlord Games' 10.5cm German Howitzer in use with my modern Syrians (IIRC Czech post-war copies have shown up there). You could fit it on a 60-70mm round base I guess. Its 1/56th scale and so thinner proportioned than those Victoria Miniatures gun pieces - and probably a bit more complex to put together due to the size of the parts (and lack of instructions). The barrel's about as thick as a plastic Lascannon; even a 12.8 cm (one of the largest anti-tank guns of WWII) has a barrel just a tad thicker than a Lascannon - which are a few of the Heer46 models I linked.
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2019/06/14 19:23:23
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
Wyrmalla wrote: I have Warlord Games' 10.5cm German Howitzer in use with my modern Syrians (IIRC Czech post-war copies have shown up there). You could fit it on a 60-70mm round base I guess. Its 1/56th scale and so thinner proportioned than those Victoria Miniatures gun pieces - and probably a bit more complex to put together due to the size of the parts (and lack of instructions). The barrel's about as thick as a plastic Lascannon; even a 12.8 cm (one of the largest anti-tank guns of WWII) has a barrel just a tad thicker than a Lascannon - which are a few of the Heer46 models I linked.
That should work. Thanks again your awesome.
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2019/06/27 16:21:00
Subject: Re:New historical kits for possible use in 40K
Damn that Polish tank is nice. It looks perfect for any "near-future" sci fi setting. That, a modified Merkava, and the Swedish S-Tank would make for a brilliant US Colonial Marines armored force.
Yeah it was just a cool concept tank, and was promoting the idea of active camouflage, and impossible-to-see infrared protection etc. Pretty neat ideas, but won't be an actual tank anytime soon. Cool sales convention stuff though
2019/07/01 16:14:55
Subject: New historical kits for possible use in 40K
At 1/35 scale, unless the tank itself is incredibly small, it will likely have to be something like a Macharius or similar. Looks great though, and I had hoped someone would release this as a kit at some point.