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 Yonan wrote:

 milkboy wrote:
Exhalted. Very true. Condescension, belittlement and any other way to slight others usually end up in a sling fest so that's best avoided. I have seen a 85 page thread with none (or minimal as I could have missed it) in Dakka so I think that is very possible.

You may have missed it, but we provided the proof you were after above. Anything to say on that?

I didn't want to derail the thread further, but since you asked, I will try my best to oblige.

I would not want to go so far as to call it proof because those are examples. Also, it is not reasonable or realistic to expect you to go count, and check with the Mods on every closed thread, what was the reason for closing the thread. So in this case, I think MWHistorian has done some good work to bring up examples supporting his point. So that is good.

Does this answer your question about it?

 Alpharius wrote:

 notprop wrote:
Good luck with that, allot of the posters here are only happy when they're pissing and moaning.

And do you think something like this will help?

Anyway, I'm all for this idea - and NOT just on a 'once per year' basis.

We should all try to incorporate this approach into our routines on a daily basis - and not just online at Dakka Dakka!

I positively think that Alpharius was the worst Primarch ever!

This is great news!

 kronk wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 notprop wrote:
Good luck with that, allot of the posters here are only happy when they're pissing and moaning.

And do you think something like this will help?

Anyway, I'm all for this idea - and NOT just on a 'once per year' basis.

We should all try to incorporate this approach into our routines on a daily basis - and not just online at Dakka Dakka!

I positively think that Alpharius was the worst Primarch ever!

This is great news!

That depends which Alpharius are you referring to.....

I think we need a 'No complaining and no pettiness week'. This way we can improve everyone's attitude and also keep a more accurate perspective about what is actually going on.

GorillaWarfare wrote:
I think we need a 'No complaining and no pettiness week'. This way we can improve everyone's attitude and also keep a more accurate perspective about what is actually going on.

Why not just post better all the time.

You shouldn't need a week to remind you or others to post in a reasonable manner.

 milkboy wrote:
I didn't want to derail the thread further, but since you asked, I will try my best to oblige.

I would not want to go so far as to call it proof because those are examples. Also, it is not reasonable or realistic to expect you to go count, and check with the Mods on every closed thread, what was the reason for closing the thread. So in this case, I think MWHistorian has done some good work to bring up examples supporting his point. So that is good.

Does this answer your question about it?

It was quite relevant as there was a misconception that hyperbole was as bad (or worse than) insults in getting threads locked, both of which crop up int he negative threads this topic is in response to. You seemed to agree with that position too, and ignored the proof given after requesting it when it's good to settle points of discussion when possible so they don't crop up again and again as tends to happen.

It's very important as the insults are the central point of the real problem in 40k general. They derail discussion and get threads locked and in general contribute the most to whatever unpleasant atmosphere may be present.

Yonan, I was asking the initial question because MWHistorian has stated it as if it was a fact. Thus, I sought to find out if he had concrete evidence, in the case that others took it to be a fact.

Even now, it is a fact that is hard to prove. I am not saying he is wrong, just that he may not be totally right as well. The actual answer may be somewhere in between.

A thread may be closed when nothing new is added to the topic. A thread can also be closed because it has degenerated into a slingfest. Or it may be closed as the request of the OP. We don't know and would be too hasty to assume.

With that, I hope this clarified your doubts. I do not argue for a side specifically but I believe in being distinct on what is opinion and what is fact.

Btw, I addressed you because I wanted to add context to my reply. To quote the whole chunk would be a bit messy and I have no skill with Spoiler tags. Please do not think this is rude or in anyway condescending.

Oh man, this thread was started on July 5th. We have 3 more days of positivity guys! For real!! Let's talk about what's good for a bit.

Examples:

plasticard, chucking a million dice at a table, giant pauldrons.

Insults will always attract the attention of moderators since the number one rule is be polite.

 milkboy wrote:
With that, I hope this clarified your doubts. I do not argue for a side specifically but I believe in being distinct on what is opinion and what is fact.

That's hard to believe given you didn't ask the original poster to backup his claims of hyperbole getting threads locked but only asked MWHistorian to back up his challenge to it. Which also seems to coincide with your general "side" in these discussions.

Hyperbole could get a thread locked. Wild unfounded extreme statements might be regarded as ranting and spam rather than a point for discussion.

 milkboy wrote:
Yonan, I was asking the initial question because MWHistorian has stated it as if it was a fact. Thus, I sought to find out if he had concrete evidence, in the case that others took it to be a fact.

Even now, it is a fact that is hard to prove. I am not saying he is wrong, just that he may not be totally right as well. The actual answer may be somewhere in between.

A thread may be closed when nothing new is added to the topic. A thread can also be closed because it has degenerated into a slingfest. Or it may be closed as the request of the OP. We don't know and would be too hasty to assume.

With that, I hope this clarified your doubts. I do not argue for a side specifically but I believe in being distinct on what is opinion and what is fact.

Btw, I addressed you because I wanted to add context to my reply. To quote the whole chunk would be a bit messy and I have no skill with Spoiler tags. Please do not think this is rude or in anyway condescending.

We do know why the threads were closed. The mods stated in the last post before those threads were locked why they were locked. Each time it was a warning for people to stop trying to silence opposition and criticism of GW, that opposing views are not just acceptable, but necessary for a discussion. I haven't found anything to the contrary. I can't say I've "proven" my point, but I can say it's "Most likely."

Something positive. Outside of GW there is a booming golden age of wargames and I haven't been this excited in a long time. I want to try them all but have limited resources and time.
So many great games and miniature manufacturers out there that it's hard to list them all.

I'm still not really sure why the poll about breasts got locked.... i'm a little saddened.

Edited. Rule Number One is Be Polite.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 milkboy wrote:
Yonan, I was asking the initial question because MWHistorian has stated it as if it was a fact. Thus, I sought to find out if he had concrete evidence, in the case that others took it to be a fact.

Even now, it is a fact that is hard to prove. I am not saying he is wrong, just that he may not be totally right as well. The actual answer may be somewhere in between.

A thread may be closed when nothing new is added to the topic. A thread can also be closed because it has degenerated into a slingfest. Or it may be closed as the request of the OP. We don't know and would be too hasty to assume.

With that, I hope this clarified your doubts. I do not argue for a side specifically but I believe in being distinct on what is opinion and what is fact.

Btw, I addressed you because I wanted to add context to my reply. To quote the whole chunk would be a bit messy and I have no skill with Spoiler tags. Please do not think this is rude or in anyway condescending.

We do know why the threads were closed. The mods stated in the last post before those threads were locked why they were locked. Each time it was a warning for people to stop trying to silence opposition and criticism of GW, that opposing views are not just acceptable, but necessary for a discussion. I haven't found anything to the contrary. I can't say I've "proven" my point, but I can say it's "Most likely."

Something positive. Outside of GW there is a booming golden age of wargames and I haven't been this excited in a long time. I want to try them all but have limited resources and time.
So many great games and miniature manufacturers out there that it's hard to list them all.

So instead of saying it's a fact, it's probably fair to say, "In every example I can find..."

In the few months since I've quit 40k, I've participated in some of the GW criticism threads and my experience was that the pro-GW folks would seem to take things a lot more personally for some reason. The thread about the 7th LE that got locked got fairly vicious in ridiculously quick manner.

However, since I finally got my friends to try Warmachine and we're all hooked on that, I've become pretty indifferent to GW and haven't really participated in many 40k threads. I think a lot of us have stated our peace and moved on. If I really felt like an argument, I could jump in, but honestly I don't really care anymore beyond wanting more people to try Warmachine so I have more people to play with. :-)

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:
I'm still not really sure why the poll about breasts got locked.... i'm a little saddened.

Because all we want is out there, from Vinni's miniatures, Kingdom of the dead to bombshell mini's to Hasslefree to etcetera there are mini style breasts for everyone.

The problem of these kind of threads getting locked is that some people take other opinions too personal.

 slowthar wrote:
However, since I finally got my friends to try Warmachine and we're all hooked on that, I've become pretty indifferent to GW and haven't really participated in many 40k threads. I think a lot of us have stated our peace and moved on. If I really felt like an argument, I could jump in, but honestly I don't really care anymore beyond wanting more people to try Warmachine so I have more people to play with. :-)

As has been said, the absolute worst thing for GW is for people to be apathetic and move on like you and your mates have. I can see why you wouldn't bother posting there anymore too.

 Ravenous D wrote:
Edited

I'm telling you, watch that Monkey Dust sketch I mentioned. It's GW's defenders to a "T".

 Grimtuff wrote:
I'm telling you, watch that Monkey Dust sketch I mentioned. It's GW's defenders to a "T".

That was HILARIOUS!!! How is it NSFW? Was there some subliminal message in there I missed?

 melkorthetonedeaf wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
I'm telling you, watch that Monkey Dust sketch I mentioned. It's GW's defenders to a "T".

That was HILARIOUS!!! How is it NSFW? Was there some subliminal message in there I missed?

Possibly the company in question being named after lady bits... Plus as a general warning I'd consider everything from Monkey Dust to be NSFW.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
During this week, only positive, optimistic comments and threads should be posted.

DBA 3.0 is here.

And since the creators are such nice people, they're giving it for free!

That's awesome, isn't it?


We're not expected to say something nice about one specific product or company, are we?

Awesome!

DBA is a splendid game, an ideal introduction to Ancient and Mediaeval, and has a vibrant community around it.

http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/

I played two different ork players, two days in a row. I lost to the first, realizing things that could have been done differently. I defeated the second, though I was well on the way of being tabled. Both games were absolutely fun. The maelstrom of war tactical cards can make or break a game. I suggest everyone try each of the games and see how much fun you can have.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Plus as a general warning I'd consider everything from Monkey Dust to be NSFW.

But also excellent.

Good job gang!!!

"[Post New] 2014/07/05 10:08:44 Subject: "Positive Thinking Week""

Only 19 more hours to go!!!!

GW just put out a fabulous boxed set that contains two small forces, a book with special scenarios, and even a mini-rulebook. It's the type of product that would be great for getting new people involved in the game.

Naturally, GW is stocking this game in abundance, and not just in their own stores and FLGS, but also in major toy-store chains, as that's the best way to get massive exposure for a fantastic product that would create so much business.

Of course that last paragraph is crap. GW are actually making it a limited item and the closest thing they did to "advertise it" is put up an unlisted YouTube video.

x 40,000

They really just can't take any steps forwards these days can they? Its always blatantly backwards (halving dire avengers) or they look like they are about to step forwards and then *limited edition* and it turns into a side step.

I dunno, I don't really see the limited nature of the campaign box as a problem, if they're aiming for a steady stream of them.

If it's limited enough quantities that it sells out overnight, then yes, that's a little silly. But as just one of a succession of campaign boxes... well, when this one sells out, there will be another one coming.

I would also expect that the book will be made available separately at some point for those who just want the campaign material.

I think campaign sets are a really good idea.

It doesn't matter that it is limited because not everyone plays Orks. Also it is a sort of product that clubs and groups will buy.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I think campaign sets are a really good idea.

So do I, but...

 Kilkrazy wrote:
It doesn't matter that it is limited because not everyone plays Orks. Also it is a sort of product that clubs and groups will buy.

It does matter. This is the kind of thing that GW should be using to get out there. They should be making this new series of products work for them, rather than just releasing them and saying "Ok, feed at the trough at your own pace".