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There are pics of minis? That wasn't very obvious. I don't care about line art, only miniatures, and I suspect I'm not alone, so that's a very odd choice. I strongly dislike "currency" type campaigns as well, and the Kickstarter page seems overly long and confusing. I have to say I was expecting more after the long hype period. There aren't any complete armies that I see either, it's all hidden in stretch goals. I was expecting pictures of troops, cavalry, monsters and characters for five armies, but there are mostly single characters.

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It was indeed a very strange choice to show the concept art foremost instead of the finished minis. I also don't understand why clicking on the images takes me to the Shieldwolf webpage, where the miniatures are listed at a discounted price. Is it possible to buy the new minis there, outside of Kickstarter? I don't get it.
   
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 scuzz_bucket wrote:
Didnt Toughest Girls of the Galaxy get over half a million while only showing like five actual sculpts by the time it was done? Maybe SW should incorporate larger breasts.


Thus my comment that pushing the Shieldmaidens back in favor of (yet more) orcs was probably a poor choice.


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 Trodax wrote:
It was indeed a very strange choice to show the concept art foremost instead of the finished minis. I also don't understand why clicking on the images takes me to the Shieldwolf webpage, where the miniatures are listed at a discounted price. Is it possible to buy the new minis there, outside of Kickstarter? I don't get it.


Those aren't new minis. They're minis you can spend gold coins (that you have to math to $3 per, cause... I dunno) on instead of cash in their webstore. But only some current minis are eligible, cause... I dunno.

Just as an example, the Valley Orc Hero is 3 gold coins ($9) but is $8.82 on their webstore currently. You can even get the mammoth for $1.22 savings currently. There is a note, but it doesn't make much sense: "Note: Temporarily available at the discounted price only through the Kickstarter Campaign "Shieldwolf:War is coming". After the Campaign is over all discounts will cease."

Oh, and as a bonus, you get free shipping from the webstore if you spend over like $100, instead of the big bucks on the KS (shipping is only $6 prior to the free level).

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But I thought the mounted priest, the lion riders and the ogres were new sculpts, that were to be funded by the Kickstarter? They're all up in the webstore, heavily discounted.
   
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Maybe those are "pre-orders" now? Who knows. Definitely seems like the webstore is a way better option once you hit free shipping levels.

They probably could have benefited a lot from having someone with KS experience go over their project plan.

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Mymearan wrote:
There are pics of minis? That wasn't very obvious. I don't care about line art, only miniatures, and I suspect I'm not alone, so that's a very odd choice. I strongly dislike "currency" type campaigns as well, and the Kickstarter page seems overly long and confusing. I have to say I was expecting more after the long hype period. There aren't any complete armies that I see either, it's all hidden in stretch goals. I was expecting pictures of troops, cavalry, monsters and characters for five armies, but there are mostly single characters.


I agree on the dislike for the "fake" currency as well as on the hidden real mini pics. The update on some pics being clickable taking you to 360 pics got me clicking but it generally took me to a store entry with the same concept art and the actual mini on some one page down below the screen. For instance, the lion riders were an interest of mine and it took me a while to find out that the "A" sculpt is already built and painted in their store as long as you search for it. Why not simply post a pick of the "A" sculpt in the update that announced the "B" and "C" sculpts were unlocked along with their concept art. Showing the minis next to the concept art gives pledgers a better understanding of the likelihood of the final product matching to art to avoid a Mantic KOW situation.

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skarsol wrote:
Maybe those are "pre-orders" now? Who knows. Definitely seems like the webstore is a way better option once you hit free shipping levels.


It seems to me they're updating their webstore as things get unlocked, but I could be completely wrong as I'm not very familiar with the Shieldwolf range, and what is old versus new. It's looking very... unusual to me.
   
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Regardless, I think we can all agree it's not doing them any favors.
   
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Athens Greece

Well to tell you the truth most things seem to be ready, even painted and well hidden on the shieldwolf's website. This isn't helping the potential backer since he has to "guess" that first the real model is shown for whatever reason somewhere else and then go through a medieval currency to find out how much everything costs.

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 Azazelx wrote:
So you are correct. What an odd choice to show concept art rather than complete unpainted sculpts or even the painted models. And not obvious, either. What an odd choice. Surely I can't be the only person looking at this campaign who misses that. Might be something worth adjusting - to show the actual models people are pledging for - or at least both the models and the art. Not behind a non-obvious link, but on the main KS page.

Mymearan wrote:
There are pics of minis? That wasn't very obvious. I don't care about line art, only miniatures, and I suspect I'm not alone, so that's a very odd choice. I strongly dislike "currency" type campaigns as well, and the Kickstarter page seems overly long and confusing. I have to say I was expecting more after the long hype period. There aren't any complete armies that I see either, it's all hidden in stretch goals. I was expecting pictures of troops, cavalry, monsters and characters for five armies, but there are mostly single characters.

 Trodax wrote:
It was indeed a very strange choice to show the concept art foremost instead of the finished minis. I also don't understand why clicking on the images takes me to the Shieldwolf webpage, where the miniatures are listed at a discounted price. Is it possible to buy the new minis there, outside of Kickstarter? I don't get it.

 Capamaru wrote:
Well to tell you the truth most things seem to be ready, even painted and well hidden on the shieldwolf's website. This isn't helping the potential backer since he has to "guess" that first the real model is shown for whatever reason somewhere else and then go through a medieval currency to find out how much everything costs.

Shieldwolf, please take a day or so and edit the campaign page to fix this! It has had a nearly unanimous reaction, people didn't know there were sculpted / painted examples, and if they did, it's a ton of work and clicking on various links to go and find them all. Just post them on the campaign page instead of the art! You will get tons more "impulse buy" backers this way, and even people who will look into it further (like many of us here) will be much more likely to pledge / pledge more if you make these pictures more easily accessible.
   
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@Ritides That's exactly what we are doing. And yes, we are reading comments and they are very helpful. We'll get back to address them once we've finished with the first new images... :-)

   
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Excellent . I do love campaigns / creators that take feedback . This will make it much easier for me to see what could be useful to me here!
   
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And now the pics of the models are on the KS page as well
   
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To try and aid with sorting your pledge out, I've put together a sheet that works things out for you: http://goo.gl/xOjBci You'll either need to download a copy as an Excel file or if you're logged into a Google account you can copy it to your own docs.

There's bound to be something I've missed / isn't clear / needs making better, so feedback appreciated.

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Did I hear... War Mammoth?!!!

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So they added more Necromancer's Pouch levels, which is another silly choice as they're just cannibalizing their (already not sold out) EB pledges to give them a better deal. This does nothing towards helping them reach their goal and will probably drop the total pledged as people move from $200 levels to $150+shipping. It's only $1500 in the grand scheme of things, but that's almost 10% of the current total. I think they would have been better served with a new $150 level with all the freebies (what freebies? ), 50 coins, and no bonus undead in order to give a cheaper freebie pledge without offering a better deal than the EBs. Oh well.

On the plus side, switching from Pouch I to Pouch II fixes the shipping costs.

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Oh my, the new minis are actually very very nice. I especially like the Icemaiden and the Warrior Priest on horse.


 
   
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Guys, you need to move things like low-cost female figures up the scale. I know you have internal plans, but I believe that the first plastic kit you create needs to be the females if you want the campaign to follow on strongly.

With plastic Orcs you're competing with GW who already have very nice orcs across multiple kits which are already available that people can go buy today and not pledge for to have arrive in several months or at the end of the year. I think that you need to emphasise the Female barbarians more. There are really no plastic fantasy kits like that - the closest being WGF's Greek-style Amazons - and as such an overlooked aspect, female kits really work for a lot of people. It's something that would be more unique to yourselves, and especially given the feedback in your polls it makes little sense to hold them back. The Dreamforge thread has turned into people making sisters of Battle out of their kits. The entire Raging Heroes/TGG campaign was based on female sculpts.

   
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Hard to address each and everyone, we appreciate the feedback and there's nothing but truth to what you are saying (except for the "pre-orders", nothing from all this was available or shown before the KS, we have been hiding some of this stuff since September!)

We explained in our update that we wanted to show the 360's, unfortunately it became very "heavy" to do so since we only get a 50MB limit and with all the artwork and stuff to show that was not possible.
Some people realized this and some didn't, the fault is ours since correct communication is our issue, not the backers.

There's a Greek saying "As long as we live, we learn" :-)

We have fixed a few issues and are close to unlocking the first Dragon of Wave-1 (there's another), let's see how things work out... :-)


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prankster wrote:
To try and aid with sorting your pledge out, I've put together a sheet that works things out for you: http://goo.gl/xOjBci You'll either need to download a copy as an Excel file or if you're logged into a Google account you can copy it to your own docs.

There's bound to be something I've missed / isn't clear / needs making better, so feedback appreciated.


You might find this silly but we have already created a pledge manager, so after the very end of the campaign we send it immediately in order to save time. We find that creating a pledge manager and gathering the info a month after the project has completed only wastes precious time, and we wanted to show even more how much we believe and want this... :-/

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 Azazelx wrote:
Guys, you need to move things like low-cost female figures up the scale. I know you have internal plans, but I believe that the first plastic kit you create needs to be the females if you want the campaign to follow on strongly.

With plastic Orcs you're competing with GW who already have very nice orcs across multiple kits which are already available that people can go buy today and not pledge for to have arrive in several months or at the end of the year. I think that you need to emphasise the Female barbarians more. There are really no plastic fantasy kits like that - the closest being WGF's Greek-style Amazons - and as such an overlooked aspect, female kits really work for a lot of people. It's something that would be more unique to yourselves, and especially given the feedback in your polls it makes little sense to hold them back. The Dreamforge thread has turned into people making sisters of Battle out of their kits. The entire Raging Heroes/TGG campaign was based on female sculpts.


I would tend to agree - the not Lagaetha bust caught my eye as something I want - some nicely done shield maidens is something I will buy in the same way as bought whole army of Amazons from Wargods KS

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I would have bought an army of Amazons from Wargods, but the metal prices were too much for me. If they were plastic, on the other hand... which is very much the point I'm making here.

   
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 Shieldwolf Miniatures wrote:
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prankster wrote:
To try and aid with sorting your pledge out, I've put together a sheet that works things out for you: http://goo.gl/xOjBci You'll either need to download a copy as an Excel file or if you're logged into a Google account you can copy it to your own docs.

There's bound to be something I've missed / isn't clear / needs making better, so feedback appreciated.


You might find this silly but we have already created a pledge manager, so after the very end of the campaign we send it immediately in order to save time. We find that creating a pledge manager and gathering the info a month after the project has completed only wastes precious time, and we wanted to show even more how much we believe and want this... :-/


I fully appreciate that. It's something that Mierce do quite well for their campaigns. The sheet above is more to make it easier for people pledging now to work out what they can get, rather than being an official pledge manager for after the campaign.

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Agreed. You should carefully look over Prankster's document, and if you find it all to be correct, link it on your front page (as others do with similar fan-made resources).

   
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The pics of the minis are very much appreciated, thanks!!
   
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 Azazelx wrote:
Agreed. You should carefully look over Prankster's document, and if you find it all to be correct, link it on your front page (as others do with similar fan-made resources).

 RiTides wrote:
The pics of the minis are very much appreciated, thanks!!


@Azazelx @RiTides Thank you both! :-)

@Prankster A double thanks to you Sir! :-D

   
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Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.

Have any basic troop boxes been unlocked yet? I have checked the kickstarter but cant tell.

It looks like primarily characters have been unlocked but tbh I wouldn't really be interested in any characters for an army until I see what basic troops are available.



 
   
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I had a couple of questions which may have been answered already, but I hadn't seen them yet.


Will the War mammoth with Howdah have a crew of some sort?

And I wasn't clear with the dragon, are we suppossed to add 3 gold for the rider, so it would be 23 gold, or is the rider a special separate purchase?


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Where are the Shieldmaidens, guys? They were THE reason I was interested in this tbh, but i can't find much on the KS page.
   
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I cant speak for the others but personally I would have preferred the initial kickstarter to goal to fund the plastic kits you had planned and then have the characters and the other models as the stretch goals.
   
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 carlos13th wrote:
Have any basic troop boxes been unlocked yet? I have checked the kickstarter but cant tell.

It looks like primarily characters have been unlocked but tbh I wouldn't really be interested in any characters for an army until I see what basic troops are available.

Only troops unlocked for now are 2 units of Ogres (there's a 3rd one coming in wave-1), and the plastic Mountain Orcs we tossed in to help make this work. In order to unlock plastics, we have to complete all the SGs of Wave-1, otherwise it's not going to work, pure mathematics...

 skullking wrote:
I had a couple of questions which may have been answered already, but I hadn't seen them yet.

Will the War mammoth with Howdah have a crew of some sort?

Yes, it will have shieldmaidens atop as a stretch goal freebie, just like FW Chaos Mammoth had Marauders.
For that, we need to unlock their plastics first.
 skullking wrote:
And I wasn't clear with the dragon, are we suppossed to add 3 gold for the rider, so it would be 23 gold, or is the rider a special separate purchase?

Both work fine. You only want the rider? 3gold coins. You want it along with the 2-headed Dragon? 23 gold coins. We'll have it on our pledge manager with the icon and 3 gold coins aside, for whoever wants her that is.
Mymearan wrote:
Where are the Shieldmaidens, guys? They were THE reason I was interested in this tbh, but i can't find much on the KS page.

We are discussing if we must change the order of the plastic kits in order to push the Shieldmaidens first. We have not decided yet however and we are not going to take decisions without discussing them first very thoroughly, according to our survey Shieldmaidens were the most popular, with a 36%. There's also another 64% we have to respect however...


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Kharzak wrote:
I cant speak for the others but personally I would have preferred the initial kickstarter to goal to fund the plastic kits you had planned and then have the characters and the other models as the stretch goals.


We would've too, trust me(!), but that system doesn't work and whoever has tried it has failed. The only way to succeed is to build enough crowd so when the choke-point stretch goal arrives, you'll have the numbers to chew through it.
We might be wrong of course and you would be right.
Time will tell if our choice was wise. 28 days max to be exact :-)


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