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2014/07/17 00:30:28
Subject: Marvel's Thor is Now a Woman, Comics Studio Announces
Gitzbitah wrote: It seems presumptuous to assume the worst bethor we see what the writers have done with Thor.
Most unintentionally topical typo, ever.
That was very deliberate. I had meant to add more but asgard, norse and mjolnir are really difficult to fit into other words.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
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Mercurial wrote:
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
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2014/07/17 01:01:35
Subject: Marvel's Thor is Now a Woman, Comics Studio Announces
Kinda interesting perspective from a Asatru facebook page I follow.
I think we've all heard about the new change to Marvel Comic's Thor character by now. I'm doing up a larger debate post covering the concept of cultural appropriation in wider detail and what it means to us as a religion but I wanted to put my two gold pieces in about what I think about the Thor thing right now.
Many of our fellow faithful are extremely upset about this change. As one of our kinsmen put it "Marvel has gone from parody of our gods and faith to outright mockery." Personally I think we have a right to be upset, not just the whole gender bending one of the senior male deities of our faith, but the continued wholesale use and abuse of our religious icons in a superhero comic book. Now cool your jets I'm not calling for torches and axes to be broken out. However we're a prideful, passionate lot we heathens, and when we get upset about something we're pissed by Hel. (Comic books fans, I can hear the gnashing of teeth, hold your horses through the next paragraph and a sentence)
Someone told me we don't deserve to be upset about this because the small and fragmented Heathen community didn't protest Thor's release when he original came out back in the early '60s. You know when you could still be assaulted, harassed or killed for not being a Protestant, and alt culture of any kind was viewed with a deep suspicion and loathing, and before the internet gave a dispersed faithful the ability to find their kinsmen again. So obviously I think this person is incorrect. Silence is not consent. Just because a culture cannot speak for itself does not give the dominate culture the right to use and abuse it as it sees fit. We do have a voice now and we as a community should put it to use. In my opinion we should contact Marvel. Not to protest this new female Thor, but to protest their rampant theft of our faith and culture.
We should not however demand they remove Thor the comic book character from their line up. At this point the character's there and the damage to whatever extent we can claim damage has been done.Thor and the gods have been Marvel characters for longer then many of us have been alive! People are invested and attached to these characters. I personally read and enjoyed Thor comics when I was a kid. He was right next to Captain America as my favorite Marvel character.
The list of thefts and other crimes the dominate culture has committed against us as a people and a faith stretches on to times where the memory grows dim and the thread of our ancestors is lost somewhat in the flames of Christian torches burning our heritage away. Writings like the Sörla þáttr were abusing and insulting the gods before the embers were even cool! In the grand scheme of things a comic book, while a slap in the face is nothing and may in fact be beneficial because it keeps the names of the gods alive. How many heathens got their start and heard the whispers of the call after reading a Marvel Thor comic and wondering at the depictions of Asgard within? After 50 years of run time it has to have been more then a few of us.
What we should do is fight for them to do right by us and the culture they've been ripping off. Get them to do a comic that features the gods as they are, the real stories of our faith and culture from the Eddas and other primary sources (no post classical christian propaganda garbage like the Sörla þáttr that so insults the gods) preferably with guidance from a larger heathen/asatru organization like the Elder Troth. I'd rather use that as a spring board to tell the real stories of the gods, of red haired Thor and golden Freyja, of Odin All Father, one handed Tyr and the things that have been, and the end which is coming. All we have to do is rise with a loud voice and ask Marvel to right by us, and all the other communities they've stolen from over the years.
What say you all? If you agree with me the Media Relations email is for this guy on Marvel's website: jeff_klein@dkcnews.com Start emailing and blasting their FB page. We can make our voices heard and get positive change for the representation of our faith. Act like adults, no cussing, no swearing, no threats. Other faiths act like that when they're upset all the time and they are properly considered disgusting. Hold the hammer high and don't bring shame on us by your deed.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Looking at this image seems new Thor isn't Angela then ...?
In November, Superior Iron Man #1 sends Tony Stark to San Francisco with a new outfit and a new perspective on life. “The Genius Bar costume is there for a reason,” Marvel editor-in-chief Axel Alonso tells EW. “The newly-transformed Superior Iron Man has very ambitious plans for the city that some of its residents embrace, but not all.” Comic book fans will note the very pointed addition of the word “Superior” to the title. The last time that happened, it was Superior Spider-Man, and Doctor Octopus took over Peter Parker’s brain. Doc Ock won’t be invading Tony’s frontal lobe, but Alonso does note, “Like the Superior Spider-Man, Superior Iron Man is a character that’s hard to root for.” The series is written by Tom Taylor and drawn by In a series written by Tom Taylor and drawn by Yildiray Cinar.
And also, a grander scheme in the form of Avengers NOW!:
Avengers NOW! goes way beyond the Big Three. All the characters in the exclusive image above will play a more prominent role in the Marvel Universe going into 2015. That makes sense for Dr. Strange, Scarlet Witch, and Ant-Man, who will be in the public eye as their film debuts move closer to release. But Marvel will also be focusing more on Inhuman characters like Medusa and Inferno, alongside the new Marvel arrival Angela, who originated as an Image character but who is being worked into Thor’s mythology.
…
Whether Scarlet Witch or Angela join their ranks will be revealed in the coming months, as Marvel moves closer to the launch of Avengers NOW!
The initiative will also feature a renewed focus on Deathlok and the Winter Soldier, and more than ten titles already in the planning stages. Expect to hear more about Avengers NOW! throughout Comic-Con. Ultron who?
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2014/07/17 11:31:25
Subject: Marvel's Thor is Now a Woman, Comics Studio Announces
It's a good try, but their skin tone's going to prevent them from winning the cultural appropriation argument.
So it's cool if the dominant Christian culture continues it's campaign of oppression against us? I suppose we should be happy they aren't burning us out of our homes any more.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Dunno if it's in another thread or not... But, aparently Captain America is getting a "new look" as well.
According to a Marvel feed on my FB page, the mantle of Cap is being taken over by an already familiar Marvel face: The Falcon.
So, now we have Thor is a woman, and Captain America is black... Is Iron Man gonna be replaced with a Mexican next??
How dare a company make an effort to appeal to a new fan base and minority culture. There's only 2934 white super-heroes left.
Or are minority heroes limited to Black Panther, Chinese Ninja Guy, and the Mexican Jumping Bean?
Yeah, after Nick Fury got torn up and remodeled after one of the coolest guys in Hollywood, and every bit of media used SLJ-Fury, I don't think the race card works. He pretty much "runs" the Marvel universe. And he's black. And badass. Put your race-card away, it lost the fight.
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2014/07/17 11:52:25
Subject: Marvel's Thor is Now a Woman, Comics Studio Announces
Look at the bright side. Now Thor will have jugs bursting from her top on the cover whilst she simultaneously looks over one shoulder showing off her buns of steel.
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
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2014/07/17 12:23:44
Subject: Marvel's Thor is Now a Woman, Comics Studio Announces
chromedog wrote: It's not like he didn't dress like a girl anyway.
Look at the bright side. Now Thor will have jugs bursting from her top on the cover whilst she simultaneously looks over one shoulder showing off her buns of steel.
I think we've all heard about the new change to Marvel Comic's Thor character by now. I'm doing up a larger debate post covering the concept of cultural appropriation in wider detail and what it means to us as a religion but I wanted to put my two gold pieces in about what I think about the Thor thing right now.
Many of our fellow faithful are extremely upset about this change. As one of our kinsmen put it "Marvel has gone from parody of our gods and faith to outright mockery." Personally I think we have a right to be upset, not just the whole gender bending one of the senior male deities of our faith, but the continued wholesale use and abuse of our religious icons in a superhero comic book. Now cool your jets I'm not calling for torches and axes to be broken out. However we're a prideful, passionate lot we heathens, and when we get upset about something we're pissed by Hel. (Comic books fans, I can hear the gnashing of teeth, hold your horses through the next paragraph and a sentence)
Someone told me we don't deserve to be upset about this because the small and fragmented Heathen community didn't protest Thor's release when he original came out back in the early '60s. You know when you could still be assaulted, harassed or killed for not being a Protestant, and alt culture of any kind was viewed with a deep suspicion and loathing, and before the internet gave a dispersed faithful the ability to find their kinsmen again. So obviously I think this person is incorrect. Silence is not consent. Just because a culture cannot speak for itself does not give the dominate culture the right to use and abuse it as it sees fit. We do have a voice now and we as a community should put it to use. In my opinion we should contact Marvel. Not to protest this new female Thor, but to protest their rampant theft of our faith and culture.
We should not however demand they remove Thor the comic book character from their line up. At this point the character's there and the damage to whatever extent we can claim damage has been done.Thor and the gods have been Marvel characters for longer then many of us have been alive! People are invested and attached to these characters. I personally read and enjoyed Thor comics when I was a kid. He was right next to Captain America as my favorite Marvel character.
The list of thefts and other crimes the dominate culture has committed against us as a people and a faith stretches on to times where the memory grows dim and the thread of our ancestors is lost somewhat in the flames of Christian torches burning our heritage away. Writings like the Sörla þáttr were abusing and insulting the gods before the embers were even cool! In the grand scheme of things a comic book, while a slap in the face is nothing and may in fact be beneficial because it keeps the names of the gods alive. How many heathens got their start and heard the whispers of the call after reading a Marvel Thor comic and wondering at the depictions of Asgard within? After 50 years of run time it has to have been more then a few of us.
What we should do is fight for them to do right by us and the culture they've been ripping off. Get them to do a comic that features the gods as they are, the real stories of our faith and culture from the Eddas and other primary sources (no post classical christian propaganda garbage like the Sörla þáttr that so insults the gods) preferably with guidance from a larger heathen/asatru organization like the Elder Troth. I'd rather use that as a spring board to tell the real stories of the gods, of red haired Thor and golden Freyja, of Odin All Father, one handed Tyr and the things that have been, and the end which is coming. All we have to do is rise with a loud voice and ask Marvel to right by us, and all the other communities they've stolen from over the years.
What say you all? If you agree with me the Media Relations email is for this guy on Marvel's website: jeff_klein@dkcnews.com Start emailing and blasting their FB page. We can make our voices heard and get positive change for the representation of our faith. Act like adults, no cussing, no swearing, no threats. Other faiths act like that when they're upset all the time and they are properly considered disgusting. Hold the hammer high and don't bring shame on us by your deed.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Dunno if it's in another thread or not... But, aparently Captain America is getting a "new look" as well.
According to a Marvel feed on my FB page, the mantle of Cap is being taken over by an already familiar Marvel face: The Falcon.
So, now we have Thor is a woman, and Captain America is black... Is Iron Man gonna be replaced with a Mexican next??
How dare a company make an effort to appeal to a new fan base and minority culture. There's only 2934 white super-heroes left.
Or are minority heroes limited to Black Panther, Chinese Ninja Guy, and the Mexican Jumping Bean?
Yeah, after Nick Fury got torn up and remodeled after one of the coolest guys in Hollywood, and every bit of media used SLJ-Fury, I don't think the race card works. He pretty much "runs" the Marvel universe. And he's black. And badass. Put your race-card away, it lost the fight.
He doesn't actually. Maria Hill is in charge of shield; Nick Fury Jr is just a fairly high ranking SHIELD agent. He "runs" the Marvel Universe about as much as Coulson does.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Dunno if it's in another thread or not... But, aparently Captain America is getting a "new look" as well.
According to a Marvel feed on my FB page, the mantle of Cap is being taken over by an already familiar Marvel face: The Falcon.
So, now we have Thor is a woman, and Captain America is black... Is Iron Man gonna be replaced with a Mexican next??
How dare a company make an effort to appeal to a new fan base and minority culture. There's only 2934 white super-heroes left.
Or are minority heroes limited to Black Panther, Chinese Ninja Guy, and the Mexican Jumping Bean?
Yeah, after Nick Fury got torn up and remodeled after one of the coolest guys in Hollywood, and every bit of media used SLJ-Fury, I don't think the race card works. He pretty much "runs" the Marvel universe. And he's black. And badass. Put your race-card away, it lost the fight.
Funny thing. I'm not only incredibly white and nerdy, but hail from Whitebread Oklahoma. I have no race card to put away. I DO get annoyed when the "White Male" complains about losing his stranglehold on things. I took Ensis and his post in jest. Your quickness to accuse me of holding a race card shows us all a glimpse of how you feel about racial equality in comic book media.
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Also before anyone gets freaked out about how "none of the original Avengers are in that team picture"; It isn't a team picture. It's an image showing the characters from across the Marvel Universe that will be getting their own series or more attention in the coming months.
I repeat: The image is not the new avengers team it is merely showing who will be getting more focus/their own ongoing series in the coming months.
Wouldn't it be logical to assume that heroes so vested in their identity and mission would want to make sure it is carried on by a new generation?
In real life, for instance, Reed Richards would be well past 100, and unless he had some kind of anti aging formula, would have long ago passed the "Torch", heh, to someone else.
Don't know if this has been put up yet but, to use a much used quote,
"Keep
Calm
and
Carry
On"
2014/07/17 14:51:27
Subject: Marvel's Thor is Now a Woman, Comics Studio Announces
Wait, there's a group of people that "follow" the old Norse religion?
Well, somewhat- to the best of my knowledge they have omitted the whole human sacrifice element of it. I always found the Norse gods a bit dark and bloody for my taste- really more suited to a combatant culture, but many do find comfort and guidance in following them. I know a few. They love fighting and partying.
Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
Mercurial wrote:
I admire your aplomb and instate you as Baron of the Seas and Lord Marshall of Privateers.
Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
Orkeosaurus, on homophobia, the nature of homosexuality, and the greatness of George Takei.
English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleyways and mugs them for loose grammar.
2014/07/17 15:13:15
Subject: Re:Marvel's Thor is Now a Woman, Comics Studio Announces
Thor(Person) is the Prince of Asgard (I think per the comics his only natural abilities are strength, speed, durability, and long age). Thor(Superhero) is the guy with the powers granted to him by Mjolnir (flight, manipulate the weather, lightning, dimensional transportation). The tough guy is Thor(P), the superhero powers of Thor(S) come from the hammer, he does not naturally have them. Most of the time Thor(P) and Thor(S) is the same person. But at times, they are not.
Incorrect. Thor's powers come from being Thor. The whole Mjolnir imbues the powers of Thor upon its wielder thing is a recent development. In-universe, Odin punished Thor for being a prick by separating his powers from his body and imbuing them within the hammer.
Ouze wrote: I think it's a fair argument that Bruce Wayne is actually the alter-ego of Batman.
Agreed, its a topic thats been covered in the comics as well.
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2014/07/17 15:14:09
Subject: Marvel's Thor is Now a Woman, Comics Studio Announces
Can anyone identify metal-face, flamey-guy and too-much-red-hair-girl in that pic? The rest I know, and that's some snazzy new armour for Ironman.
Kanluwen wrote: Maybe you can claim to be Thor because you have the Hammer, but you still aren't the Thor. You're just a guy with his powers. Which is why in the comics you have this inscription on Mjolnir:
Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor.
not
Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall become Thor.
Yeah, Kan wins. This is the most succinct explanation there is. It's still stupid that they're doing it rather than elevating Sif or Valkyrie or creating a new Asgardian character, but Thor is still Thor.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: So, now we have Thor is a woman, and Captain America is black... Is Iron Man gonna be replaced with a Mexican next??
Ms. Marvel's now a Muslim. Don't forget that.
If it weren't already partially owned by DC, they could change the Avengers into the "Social Justice League".
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I do not know for sure how they're doing it or anything, but I kind of feel like Sif or Valkyrie or just a brand new "Look! This lady has become Lady with Thor's Powers!" character being 'elevated' would be neat...but also kind of a cop-out.
I'd love to see Sif get her own series with the Warriors Three though if that does not exist.
I had meant to add more but asgard, norse and mjolnir are really difficult to fit into other words.
