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mind = blown:

 Ouze wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

You kind of have to wonder at that conversation...

SR: Falcon, would you like to be Captain America for a while?"

F: "What? I'm already a superhero. I'm Falcon. I've got a name. And fans."

SR: "Er... yeah. But you could be Captain America."

F: "... So, that's a promotion to you? You think I'd just dump my own name and identity at the chance to 'elevate' myself to Captain America. So, all this time we've been friends, you always thought of me as what? Second-rate? Third tier? Sidekick? Chopped dog meat?"

SR: "I'm just saying. Captain America! Think about it. There's a uniform and a code of conduct and..."

F: "You know what? F--- you."

This was the high point of the thread, I think.

What's the dealio about Falcon being Captain America? I think this is cool as hell...

Unless the complaint is that Falcon should be his own thing?

Caveat: Falcon was the best thing in the recent movie. F'n love the character and what makes "The Falcon™".

 Ouze wrote:
mind = blown:

That is awesome. I just hope they get a girl with HUGE Pecks for the role

That, um...crap. Totally true.

That just opens up so many rule 34 doors...
I'm not seeing a down side.

She might need to grow her hair out a bit, but I think the idea Thor would be:

 Ouze wrote:
mind = blown:

Oh man, I was Just going to post that! Only beat me by a few... Hours.

 Thunderfrog wrote:
Interesting conversation I had with my cousin, who has written the following books.. (This is reference to this being an attack on Asatru.)

Love and Hate in Asatru, Loki: Bound Between Fire and Ice, Divine Feminine in Asatru: Achieving Spiritual Balance in Asatru, Asatru Book of Days, Love and Hate in Asatru: A perspective of Asatru in our lives.

Me:

"Hey cousin, I have a question. Marvel has recently announced a story-line for the Thor comic in which Thor loses his powers and a woman takes over the "mantle" of Thor, including his powers and his portfolio of responsibilities. Do you find this as an affront or insult to Astaru?"

Bryan: "It's a comic. The purpose is to sell more of them. As a Disney shareholder I'm all for making money. It creates the same kind of demand as killing a character off without the hard feelings. From an Asatru perspective it gets people to looking. And anything that causes people to take a closer look at the indigenous polytheistic faith of their ancestors is far more important that the butthurt flowing thru some asatruars. But some of them have a point they wouldn't dare do it to Jesus or Mohammed. But by the same token we have failed to promote Asatru as a viable option that provides positive purpose guidance and direction. Whose fault is it?"

Me: "That's a fair point. Further, I don't think the comic industry would have the beans to make Jesus a super-hero in the first place, or Muhammahed for that matter."

Bryan: "However one wishes to view the matter those old gods are still here all around us. From our popular culture espousing heroism and right and wrong to our holidays and even the days of the week. I choose to think there is something worthy of consideration there. Much more so than believe or die."

Interesting stuff.

When we're one of the fastest growing heathen/pagan faiths in the world can we really say we've failed? One does pillage English and France in a day after all. I would love to see Space Pilot Mecha Jesus comics though. He could team up with Rocket Raccoon. I'd also disagree with the characterization of the heathens who are upset about this as going "believe or die" but rather people who are seriously invested in something being upset. Which happens. As we well know. (Please see Dakka Discussions for reference )

Personally I don't see a good reason to get upset about the new Lady Thor, unless you reject Marvel having or using clown paint characterizations of our gods in the first place. Which is more what I've steered the conversation for in my groups. Marvel is just a company looking at a new idea to make money. If their Thor character having cans will do that, more power to them. Turn the outrage into something positive. Instead of trying to take a concept that has become a character for 50 years, which makes us look like donkey-caves, and frankly won't happen. Ever. Turn rage and butthurt into something positive. Ask Marvel to do a series about the REAL stories. Straight from the Eddas and Sagas. Nothing's being taken from them, and we stand to gain, especially with a comic audience that apparently at least LIKES the concepts of our stories.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I highly respect your brother. Our kin, mostly, shares the same perspective as this simply being an image being used and not the actual Aesir himself.

On the other hand, they do use Jesus, for example, e.g. the countless Christian merchandise and think of "The Passion of the Christ" that caused an uproar among Christians as well.

Our view is: why would you be upset about such a decision? They did not use the image of Thor to purposefully disdain Asatru, they used it because it still is a very powerful image that sells well and the image of a strong thunder god simply appeals to a lot of viewers. Why would I, as an Asatru, be offended then? I know that the actual Thor is completely different from the Thor portrayed in the Disney movies. And after all, the image that's portrayed still is the image of a strong, anthropogenic god which isn't too bad, is it?

I know a lot of Asatru who are upset about it, but we aren't worried in the slightest. The bigger problem are German nazis still using our imagery for their very own purposes and the endless struggles we have with those groups. We got so many lawsuits going on against them and it's going so slow. But then again: perseverance is a high virtue

Christ / Mohammed are less safe for mainstream media because there would be a huge uproar. Asatru are too wide-spread to cause such an uproar. But then again - why bother? If someone wants to believe that Heimdall is black and Bifrost is a subway station, then so be it. If someone wants to know more about it, every Asatru will be glad to help him understand what this is actually about.

I don't think any one in the faith is forgetting those Nazi *insert your own colorful stream of cursing here kids! A fun activity for all ages!* though interestingly from an appropriation perspective it's similar to Marvel using Thor. Those symbols, be they the valknut, various runes, the swastika, the blood cross (SS really liked that one) and as they (Nazis ) have tried to cloak themselves in more respectable movements and religion far more obscure symbols besides.

However Thor and Marvel's copy paste of the Norse pantheon and 50+ year use of the faith as a free idea bucket it's worth having the conversation "Hey are we /really/ okay with them ripping us off like this? specifically because it's so high profile it's worth considering. There's also the perspective that using the Norse gods as fictional characters reinforces the idea that they are fictional, instead of living active gods with active followers. To some people that can be legitimately construed as hurtful or offensive.

 Ouze wrote:
mind = blown:

Well no, because the Thor that's the son of the king, and the Thor that's female are two different people...

 Goliath wrote:
Well no, because the Thor that's the son of the king, and the Thor that's female are two different people...

If they were... Marvel would probably have their first, full-time crossdressing/transgendered character

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
Well no, because the Thor that's the son of the king, and the Thor that's female are two different people...

If they were... Marvel would probably have their first, full-time crossdressing/transgendered character

You know, that would actually make for a very good secret identity, wouldn't it? Much better than the infamous Kent glasses. Spandex would be much more difficult though- I'd expect some bulkier armor.

 Ouze wrote:
She might need to grow her hair out a bit, but I think the idea Thor would be:

Spoiler:

Not pretty enough.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
She might need to grow her hair out a bit, but I think the idea Thor would be:

Spoiler:

Not pretty enough.

Why would she need to be pretty? She's melon-fething thor.

Technically once she's done bashing everyone's face in with that hammer, she will be prettiest person in sight

 Soladrin wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
She might need to grow her hair out a bit, but I think the idea Thor would be:

Spoiler:

Not pretty enough.

Why would she need to be pretty? She's melon-fething thor.

'cause I have to look at her page after page.

Male Thor is a fething specimen.

And well, there is the fact that the actress is a supermodel...




However, going slightly off topic, I think.

That's a whole lot of nope. Why feth with Thor? Why not make someone new, or feature more people like Ms. Marvel or BlackCat or BlackWidow? BlackWidow fething rocked.

Man, remember when they killed Superman? What were they thinking totally and permanently changing a superhero like that...

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
She might need to grow her hair out a bit, but I think the idea Thor would be:

Spoiler:

Not pretty enough.

Dunno... she's cute.

 jreilly89 wrote:
Why feth with Thor?

Because they have been doing 50+ years of comics with the character and want to try and expand the scope and open up new storytelling arcs.

 jreilly89 wrote:
That's a whole lot of nope. Why feth with Thor? Why not make someone new, or feature more people like Ms. Marvel or BlackCat or BlackWidow? BlackWidow fething rocked.

Well Ms. Marvel is a young girl from New York who's only on #6 of their first series at the moment, Black Cat is going full on psychopath and attempting to kill Spiderman after being put in prison by Superior Spiderman, and Black Widow also recently got a new ongoing series and is currently on issue #8.

Are those enough reasons as to why those characters aren't the focus of the new series?

 Gitzbitah wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
Well no, because the Thor that's the son of the king, and the Thor that's female are two different people...

If they were... Marvel would probably have their first, full-time crossdressing/transgendered character

You know, that would actually make for a very good secret identity, wouldn't it? Much better than the infamous Kent glasses. Spandex would be much more difficult though- I'd expect some bulkier armor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Fatal

Well the idea is sound to me, just added the current Thor book to my subs and the new one is in the pre-order section. Looking forward to seeing where the story goes.

 Goliath wrote:
Well Ms. Marvel is a young girl from New York

EXCUSE ME!??!?!?!? NEW YORK!??!?!?!?!?!?! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHE'S FROM JERSEY CITY, IN NEW JERSEY AND DON'T YOU EVER FORGET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The revelation of Thor being a Disney princess is pretty hilarious though.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
Well Ms. Marvel is a young girl from New York

EXCUSE ME!??!?!?!? NEW YORK!??!?!?!?!?!?! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHE'S FROM JERSEY CITY, IN NEW JERSEY AND DON'T YOU EVER FORGET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The revelation of Thor being a Disney princess is pretty hilarious though.

Sorry I just knew that she was hit by the terrigen cloud fairly early on, so assumed it was close to Attilan when it fell into New York Seeing as I'm not all that up on US geography (a ski trip to North Conway in New Hampshire having been my only visit to the area) I went for the only area I knew was in the vicinity

Deadpool should be Thor.

 Soladrin wrote:
Deadpool should be Thor.

 Thunderfrog wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Dunno if it's in another thread or not... But, aparently Captain America is getting a "new look" as well.

According to a Marvel feed on my FB page, the mantle of Cap is being taken over by an already familiar Marvel face: The Falcon.


So, now we have Thor is a woman, and Captain America is black... Is Iron Man gonna be replaced with a Mexican next??

How dare a company make an effort to appeal to a new fan base and minority culture. There's only 2934 white super-heroes left.

Or are minority heroes limited to Black Panther, Chinese Ninja Guy, and the Mexican Jumping Bean?

Hi, I'm John Stewart. I work for DC comics, though.

Hi, I'm John Stewart and I'm a marginalized side character. When looking to put a minority in an animated series I'm the first they call. They also try to make sure I sound and act ethnic so you know I am black. For fun you can add "can you dig it" or "sucka" to any statement I make in JL or JLU cartoon, and it will fit right in.

No way! He totally ended apartheid in that GL annual.