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 Wilytank wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

...aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation...

So aliens are damned by the 'universal' sin of someone they have no relation to, but because they are not his descendants the possibility of salvation is closed to them.

Surely you can't have it both ways, who can make any sense of that?

I feel like this would apply to earth animals too. Now I have to look at my dog and tell her "Yep, you're going to hell."

At the age of ~9 our dog was recently diagnosed with cancer after a tumour on his spleen caused it to burst. The vet operated, the tumour was removed and he's back to his old energetic mischievous self, but the cancer is malignant and he has months to live at most.

If he ain't waiting for me up there when I go myself in 60+ years time, God can go feth himself.

Movie is called "All dogs to heaven", starts with a dog going to hell.

That movie was a lie!

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

...aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation...

So aliens are damned by the 'universal' sin of someone they have no relation to, but because they are not his descendants the possibility of salvation is closed to them.

Surely you can't have it both ways, who can make any sense of that?

I feel like this would apply to earth animals too. Now I have to look at my dog and tell her "Yep, you're going to hell."

At the age of ~9 our dog was recently diagnosed with cancer after a tumour on his spleen caused it to burst. The vet operated, the tumour was removed and he's back to his old energetic mischievous self, but the cancer is malignant and he has months to live at most.

If he ain't waiting for me up there when I go myself in 60+ years time, God can go feth himself.

As far as I have been taught, animals go to heaven.

here let me help you guys along

 d-usa wrote:
Movie is called "All dogs to heaven", starts with a dog going to hell.

That's... uh... not accurate.

Charlie goes to heaven by default, despite being of poor moral character. There a whippet angel presents him his "life watch"- a pocket watch representing his lifespan. Charlie steals the watch and winds it up, sending him back to earth. He is told that if the watch stops ticking he will immediately die and go to hell - since by returning to earth, he has forsaken his place in Heaven.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
So, what if they do find aliens, but...
It turns out those aliens also believe in God!
Or maybe they find out that those aliens...
Are also humans!

In any case, the existence or non-existence of aliens has no relation at all to Christianity. Aliens aren't even mentioned in the Bible...

I think we'd have yet another holy war on our hands.

Things I have learned about heave
1: You are married with your first wife even if you are divorced and must live with her.
2: No pets
3: Sex is not allowed, because sex is for procreation and you cant make babies in heaven
4: No booze is allowed in heaven
5: No food because you dont need to eat for survival, so that is gluttony
Heaven sounds boring. Give me hell, atleast I could get into the torture

Things like this are why I stopped having faith or liking in the vast majority of religion long ago, primarily christianity

 generalgrog wrote:
Aweful lot of faith going round in this thread. Faith in Aliens.


GG

...
It's as if you are actively trying to hurt me on the inside. Analytical evidence and likelyness does not equate to faith.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
I open my eyes my eyes and see a flock of Klingon birds of prey. The vision lasts a second or perhaps less; I don’t know how many birds I saw - they cloaked - Were they a definite or an indefinite number? This problem involves the question of the detection of tachyon emissions . If I can detect tachyon emissions the number is definite, because how many birds I saw is known to me, and I am probably fethed. If I cannot detect the tachyon emissions the number is indefinite, because nobody can take count take count. In this case, it doesn't really matter how many I saw, once they de-cloak and fire I am really fethed, and get blasted to oblivion.

You just need to have faith in science, which is a thing we can all have, unquestionably. Science and the Kobayashi Maru.

 Wolfstan wrote:
I can already see the words twisting. Having Aliens arrive won't prove or disprove anything on the Religious front. Believers will just point out that God made us in his image and we are his beloved... aliens will be God's mistakes or demons. They will say that they've never said there can't be other forms of life, but we are the top lifeform in God's eye's.... Sheesh!

But what if the Aliens are God's beloved and we are the Satan's spawn. The Horror!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Things I have learned about heave
1: You are married with your first wife even if you are divorced and must live with her.
...

What about "Till death do us part"?

If animals don't have souls, why are they called "animals" in the first place, seeing as "animus" is Latin for soul?

I think this really shows just how small and dull the life of the fanatic really is. Ken Ham sees something like SETI and instead of seeing the incredible, awe inspiring idea that there might be other life out there, instead he goes off on a rant about how such a scientific endeavour is just about trying to disprove his own particular vision of God.

It’s funny how something as fantastic and powerful as faith can make a few people very, very small.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
If animals don't have souls, why are they called "animals" in the first place, seeing as "animus" is Latin for soul?

The Romans don't get to go to heaven either. And anyone that learns latin in the modern world really, really doesn't get in to heaven.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
If animals don't have souls, why are they called "animals" in the first place, seeing as "animus" is Latin for soul?

Animus and animalis are two different words.

 d-usa wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
If animals don't have souls, why are they called "animals" in the first place, seeing as "animus" is Latin for soul?

Animus and animalis are two different words.

And animalis has what word as a root?

Anima, aka: breath. A root that is shared with animus.

Anima = breath.
Animalis = beings that breathe, are alive.
Animus = soul, breath of life.

They are connected by a common thread, but sharing the same base does not mean that animalis = things with souls.

Edit: my useless Latin class in college is finally paying off!

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
If animals don't have souls, why are they called "animals" in the first place, seeing as "animus" is Latin for soul?

Animus and animalis are two different words.

And animalis has what word as a root?

Turn it around. Both words have the root "ane" which basically just means 'breathing' at its most basic conception. Anima means 'alive' more or less. Animalis and Animus do not lead to one another as words, they just both extend from Ane and Anima.

EDIT: Granted I would suspect ancient Romans would have a different conception of the 'does my pet have a soul' question than we do.

 generalgrog wrote:
Aweful lot of faith going round in this thread. Faith in Aliens.


GG

There are more stars than there are grains of sand, there are more planets than there are stars. The statistical chance of there being a planet with life on it is actually pretty damn huge to the point of certainty. As has been pointed out, no faith required to expect life to exist elsewhere in the universe. In fact it takes a special kind of ignorance to suggest otherwise.

On the other hand we have something with no evidence for it what so ever being pushed as the only way to see the universe by an extremely small (in fact statistically insignificant if you will pardon the mathematical joke) group of, what I can only term in polite company, people with a special kind of ignorance.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

...aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation...

So aliens are damned by the 'universal' sin of someone they have no relation to, but because they are not his descendants the possibility of salvation is closed to them.

Surely you can't have it both ways, who can make any sense of that?

I feel like this would apply to earth animals too. Now I have to look at my dog and tell her "Yep, you're going to hell."

No joke, when I was 7 and attending a Baptist private school I was told my cats wouldn't go to heaven because they didn't have souls. So, sorry, according to my second grade teacher your dog is fethed.

Yep, that was the first reason that I had to doubt god as well. I was 7 or 8 and my dog had just been poisoned and died, so I went and asked my religion teacher if he would be waiting for me in heaven, her reply was that animals didn't have souls so they didn't go to heaven...

That's a pretty sure fire way to get a 7 year old to drop religion on the spot right there!

 LordofHats wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
If animals don't have souls, why are they called "animals" in the first place, seeing as "animus" is Latin for soul?

Animus and animalis are two different words.

And animalis has what word as a root?

Turn it around. Both words have the root "ane" which basically just means 'breathing' at its most basic conception. Anima means 'alive' more or less. Animalis and Animus do not lead to one another as words, they just both extend from Ane and Anima.

EDIT: Granted I would suspect ancient Romans would have a different conception of the 'does my pet have a soul' question than we do.

Does it matter, seeing as Humans=Animals

As a Christian, I can say that I was taught everything living existed as a spirit before coming into physical existence.
A loving God is not going to create a living being for the end purpose of barring it from Heaven.

Relapse wrote:
As a Christian, I can say that I was taught everything living existed as a spirit before coming into physical existence.
A loving God is not going to create a living being for the end purpose of barring it from Heaven.

Your version of faith is incorrect - you will also go to the sulfurous pits of damnation but possibly above pets and aliens - so that's good.

chocmushroom wrote:


Does it matter, seeing as Humans=Animals

I don't think the Romans would agree

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Things I have learned about heave
1: You are married with your first wife even if you are divorced and must live with her.
2: No pets
3: Sex is not allowed, because sex is for procreation and you cant make babies in heaven
4: No booze is allowed in heaven
5: No food because you dont need to eat for survival, so that is gluttony
Heaven sounds boring. Give me hell, atleast I could get into the torture

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 LordofHats wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
If animals don't have souls, why are they called "animals" in the first place, seeing as "animus" is Latin for soul?

Animus and animalis are two different words.

And animalis has what word as a root?

Turn it around. Both words have the root "ane" which basically just means 'breathing' at its most basic conception. Anima means 'alive' more or less. Animalis and Animus do not lead to one another as words, they just both extend from Ane and Anima.

EDIT: Granted I would suspect ancient Romans would have a different conception of the 'does my pet have a soul' question than we do.

According to my copy of Cassel's Latin-English dictionary, the two are completely separate.

Anima )-ae), is to breath... the breath of life. Animal (-alis) is a living being. The root word Animo (-are) is has 2 forms... one is to "give life to" and the other is to "endow with a certain disposition). And finally, you've got animus (-i) which is the "spiritual or rational principle of life"


There is no root word "ane"

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
There is no root word "ane"

I don't think Ane is a latin root. It's PIE aka Proto-Indo-European (It is used in numerous similar words in multiple Indo-European languages, not just Latin). EDIT: Knew this was laying around somewhere. Tis a good site for all kinds of etymology stuff. For when we're bored and have nothing to do but torture ourselves

 LordofHats wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
There is no root word "ane"

I don't think Ane is a latin root. It's PIE aka Proto-Indo-European (It is used in numerous similar words in multiple Indo-European languages, not just Latin). EDIT: Knew this was laying around somewhere. Tis a good site for all kinds of etymology stuff. For when we're bored and have nothing to do but torture ourselves

Lol, glad we got that cleared up (the post you made is what I was referencing when you said it was a Latin root )

So I did. My mistake XD Brain gets ahead of itself a lot

 Mr. Burning wrote:

Relapse wrote:
As a Christian, I can say that I was taught everything living existed as a spirit before coming into physical existence.
A loving God is not going to create a living being for the end purpose of barring it from Heaven.

Your version of faith is incorrect - you will also go to the sulfurous pits of damnation but possibly above pets and aliens - so that's good.

What other pronouncement of my fate could I expect from someone called "Mr. Burning"?

Scientology is a religion that believes in space aliens.

How is searching for space aliens anti-religious?