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 agnosto wrote:
Thank you for the information. I've never played DKH and so have no experience with the rules. As you and others have mentioned that it's quick-playing.

Do you know how the dungeon tiles compare with Descent? Quality, size, etc. Match, close or completely different? I ask because the pics make them appear rather thin, comparatively speaking.

Dwarf King's Hold had serviceable but lower quality thinner tiles. My main gripe about DKH was the very low quality of the boxes which were too thin. Mantic has stated repeatedly that they intend to make the tiles thicker for Dungeon Sagas and I believe in the last Podcast they mention they would be the same quality as the last (limited edition) iteration of Space Hulk. I will speculate that the tiles shown pre-KS thus far do look thin and my suspecion is it these are just printed out card stock. Gluing card stock to foam board would be better looking probably. One trick I use with all my tiles is to ink the edges with a perminate marker in brown or black. Also playing on a black table or tablecloth looks better imo

Great idea. Thanks again.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
What this game should provide:

Take a peek at the designer's blog, Quirkworthy. No ninja's, however.

While I've found reviews for the original DKH, I haven't found comparisons between DKH and Descent. Also, after reading the designer's blog, I'm sorta under the impression that DS is different enough from DKH.

My concern is that the casual boardgamers will be put off by a campaign targeted towards Mantic hardcore (EB's and overwhelming add-ons), while the hobbyists will be less interested in the boardgamer-oriented miniatures (integrated miniatures, generic fantasy genre). It's a little frustrating that Mantic's spent more time on the teaser campaign than the campaign itself. Good video with BoW, tho.

Anyway, figure we'll find out on Monday.

For me, and I know many won't agree, prepainted minis would be an auto-buy. I'm so OCD that I actually painted my Descent minis....

from the news letter

Cheers for posting that DaveC, am liking all that I see here. As for the Dwarf, my that is a big hammer...

So how many people will be duking it out for the early birds come monday?

I like most of the new sculpts... except for that wizard. Is it just me or does it look like he's wearing Crocs?

That being said, I will still be shooting for an early bird come Monday.

I'm guessing those are pics of a mock-up rather than finished product.

 agnosto wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
So, what does this bring that my copy of Descent 2nd doesn't?

Hmm, I think Descent 2nd is pretty but is overtly cumbersome, with too many tokens and counters and plays more like a board game version of a fantasy combat MMO mixed with D&D 4th edition.
So, for me, Descent is the exact opposite of what I personally want out of a dungeon crawler game. I'm hoping Dungeon Saga does that - light enough for beer and pretzels with a little deeper long-term/campaign system. We'll see though.

I agree to a great extent and an easy to play and set-up game that has some depth without being clunky would draw me in.

That's what I'm hoping for...

I've played a fair bit of descent, and I think it's lacking a certain ... something. I'm not sure if 'fun' is the right word? It feels like it has been made for the BGG hardcore crowd, rather than something for a few mates on a sat night - it doesn't leave much space on a table for beer and peanuts for one!

Hm, okay the sculpts are not bad although I feel that they lost a little bit of their sharpness. Maybe because of the material?

I'll be getting a box of this for supplement on my DnD figures. Although I might convert that hammer because it's far too big.

Loving the minis so far!

I'll be there for an EB for sure.

Like that undead troll shaman!

But not even in death do knock-kneed and stubby legs end!

 Pacific wrote:

I've played a fair bit of descent, and I think it's lacking a certain ... something. I'm not sure if 'fun' is the right word? It feels like it has been made for the BGG hardcore crowd, rather than something for a few mates on a sat night - it doesn't leave much space on a table for beer and peanuts for one!

To be fair, v2 produced much smaller maps and was more beer friendly (at least for us). We dropped our D&D 3.5 campaign in favor of Descent on the simple basis of it being beer friendly.


Sculpts:
I like the frat-boy zombie, it looks like he's going to give someone a bro-hug.

 Alpharius wrote:
Like that undead troll shaman!

But not even in death do knock-kneed and stubby legs end!

His is a pigeon toe of the soul.


That dwarf on the other hand... Delicious. You can tell he just hammered out fifty shades of grey.

So far all the heroes are looking good.

I'm waiting for the paladin guy.

I'm a sucker for good undead miniatures and those skeletons look fantastic. Much less cartoony than others I've seen.

 heartserenade wrote:
I'm waiting for the paladin guy.

That was one of my favorites in the previews too...hopefully he turns out well!

But big hammer... you only need to swing it once.

I still need to see better pictures of the dual wielding swardsmang, i can't tell if he's Drizz't inspired or just similar. Everything looks good, i'll probably pledge but Idunno, this looks like something i'd rather pick up at retail just for the sake of actually picking up a mantic product at retail.

I'm just trying to figure out why there was that ninja sculpt back at the open day.

Seems like a perfect add on hero to me, unless Thorton shot that down on his blog. Haven't had a chance to check, and probably won't until Sunday night.

 agnosto wrote:
For me, and I know many won't agree, prepainted minis would be an auto-buy. I'm so OCD that I actually painted my Descent minis....

Good point. Too bad the WizKids / Wizards / Paizo prepaints don't come with stat cards for the D&D Adventure System games.

fwiw, The Dungeon Command Heart of Cormyr has hero prepaints of the Elf, Dwarf, and Wizard (in lovely purple) but not a barbarian. Not sure about DC's Undead Horde miniatures.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm just trying to figure out why there was that ninja sculpt back at the open day.

Halfling Thief.

Are you sure it wasn't just a mis-sculpted ninja that they accidentally made too small?

 Pacific wrote:
Are you sure it wasn't just a mis-sculpted ninja that they accidentally made too small?

Saw the art for it, its a halfling thief.

 agnosto wrote:
Thank you for the information. I've never played DKH and so have no experience with the rules. As you and others have mentioned that it's quick-playing.

Just for reference, my gaming group played DKH Green Menace this week and completed 4 games in about 2 and a half hours, with no previous knowledge of the rules.

The opposed dice rolling system in the current DKH rules kinda sucks (you have to pair off the highest dice on each side rather than just difference in successes), hoping they switch to dreadball and deadzone style.

 Alpharius wrote:
But not even in death do knock-kneed and stubby legs end!

You had to say it... now I can't un-see it. Thanks sheriff! /rage

Agnosto: When DKH originally came out, I did a quick review of it:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/354603.page#2576002

I actually never got to play it again, despite my enthusiasm - that was one of the last gaming conventions I got to go to and then I moved country (twice!) and haven't settled with a face to face group who would enjoy playing it. Maybe I can convince my girlfriend to play it with me :(

Gah! I was hoping the Troll Shaman might not look so "mantic-troll". Stupid knock kneed trolls! I hate them. Worst Trolls on the market.

Yeah, I had the same major issue with the Opposing Rolls in Green Menace.

However, I was playing it *after* Dreadball/Deadzone, so I sort of picked up the similiarities and the DKH mechanic really did feel like a prototype / precursor to the dreadball/deadzones.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

ninjas (?)

All games have ninjas, surely? If they're doing their job right, you just won't have noticed them yet,

I liked the addition of Samurai and ninjas from the far east back in DnD 3/3.5. I also developed my own "Germanic/Teutonic" human culture with variances on paladins, clerics and warrior classes to more accurately represent them which I really enjoyed. The more I look into FFG and DKH, the more excited I am to get back into RPGs. Looking forward to seeing what DnD5 has to offer too after the many things in DnD 4th that I really didn't like, despite liking some aspects of it.

The new battlesystems terrain will be essential to my enjoyment of this KS too though I think.

I'm probably gonna save my money here and get the BS terrain. Then when this hits retail... we'll see.

BS terrain is definitely where it's at for me, just some cardboard floor tiles like what I think we're getting here s serviceable but the BS terrain is just so much mooe immersive. Maybe the basic starter and any extra rules would be what I'd go for, but no extra mantic terrain here. It would be amazing if they did a deal and sold a kit with BS terrain instead.