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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 12:14:41
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Yes, very easy to expand this.
Both the 'full sized' expansions (and they have evil wise; Dark Elves and Dark Dwarves and good wise; Elves and Humans for dungeons), and 'adventure packs' (a location, some relevant quests, a mini game, a model or two, some rules - examples being say a Dwarf bar and staff, with some quests and a mini game like brew house bash, or a prison cell with quests, prisoner, etc, or a hero with a backstory, location, specific storyific quest etc).
Wether or not to KS them? Guess would hang off the Azure forest pack for DZ - did it work as a retail product or should these things be periodic kickstarters?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 12:20:53
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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Oh also note they said one more minion to add too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 12:28:37
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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GrimDork wrote:Destroyer has a bit static of a pose but that may be better for a single piece BG mini tbh. We'll have to see how he turns out. 15k stretch isn't bad at all, and they're even adding the missing guy into the DM pledge level, woot!
Looking forward to what they have to say after we crush this one 
Heresy minis one kinda beats the hell out of "The Destroyer"
Quite disappointed in Mantic's to be frank.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/28 21:33:38
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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angelofvengeance wrote: GrimDork wrote:Destroyer has a bit static of a pose but that may be better for a single piece BG mini tbh. We'll have to see how he turns out. 15k stretch isn't bad at all, and they're even adding the missing guy into the DM pledge level, woot!
Looking forward to what they have to say after we crush this one 
Heresy minis one kinda beats the hell out of "The Destroyer"
Quite disappointed in Mantic's to be frank.
Ok, but you are trying to compare a $60 model with one piece included in a $100 game. Its not really a fair comparison.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 12:34:27
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Near Golden Daemon Caliber
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Well that guy is over 50 bucks, probably worth it, but totally a different thing here. The destroyer is a 15k stretch and being added to a 18-19 model pack with several tiles cards counters etc, all for just $25 bucks. There's no way you could expect to get the same thing.
I do hope mantic has a big nasty gribbly thing up their sleeve to deploy later on, but I'm ok with the destroyer for what he is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 12:46:17
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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GrimDork wrote:Well that guy is over 50 bucks, probably worth it, but totally a different thing here. The destroyer is a 15k stretch and being added to a 18-19 model pack with several tiles cards counters etc, all for just $25 bucks. There's no way you could expect to get the same thing.
I do hope mantic has a big nasty gribbly thing up their sleeve to deploy later on, but I'm ok with the destroyer for what he is.
I see what you're saying, but IDK. After seeing the other stuff Mantic has put up for the Dungeon Saga gubbinz, that model just doesn't tick the awesome box for me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 13:06:20
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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I am certainly not overly impressed with the demon, but they will fulfil rather different roles! My nice resin Heresy one will sit on a mantlepiece/display cabinet, the DS one will get tossed in a big box with everything else rattling around in it. And that's assuming nothing gets spilled on it...
And I still reckon that it will cut a more impressive figure than the Orc warlord from the other box.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 13:13:29
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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I would like the third expansion pack to have card tiles that are the insides and limbs of Elven tree palaces, and come with a series of Elves to slaughter, and include four new evil heroes with all manner of weapons to slay Elves with.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 13:21:15
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Fixture of Dakka
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Troll harder why don't you?
Shouting down valid criticisms or trying to paint them as 'one lone dissenter in a sea of positive comments' is all lies. The fact there are multiple valid criticisms coming from multiple posters means your troll fell flat.
Valid criticisms echoed by multiple people here and elsewhere:
1. We have minimal rules so we are pledging for VAPORWARE. Lots of the mechanics people actually want like COOP AI and PVP and other things simply don't exist. Lots of people who pledged MYTH are the exact audience for this KS and the major failure with MYTH (besides from the delays) was the rules. Asking people to buy another game system without valid or playtested or even beginning mechanics for some of the modes is too much for people.
2. Mantic fails hard at turning concept art into valid sculpts. They have often started a KS with a bunch of awesome sculpts by their A team sculptors and finished the KS by changing artists and producing some bad models at the end. This behavior has been repeated too many times. Right now, the only things worth pledging for are the sculpts which are done.
3. Mantic has not proven mastery of any material yet. Mars attacks has been a wild crapshoot from 'pretty good' to 'in the garbage awful'. The problem is 'miniature painters' are a valid chunk of your audience and to discount them as 'you shouldn't expect quality from boardgame plastic' is a bad thing. Boardgame plastic can make paintable quality miniatures if the company has a commitment to QC. Mantic has never shown a commitment to QC.
4. Mantic Customer service sucks. Every fulfillment has the forums overflowing with 'they won't respond to my pledge, my email or my webform' with the same 'please contact so-and-so directly' or 'go pledge the new KS, that is where their focus is now, that is how to get their attention. This is a very bad cycle which hasn't been broken yet.
5. Besides all of this... the value is debatable, but is not a slam dunk. Maybe the overvalue packages of the past is unsustainable for mantic and this is reality. I know a lot of other companies have hit the wall where they lost money the first KS and lose customers subsequent KS because 'the value isn't there'. The issue is when a KS pledge is barley 20% off retail, then there is almost no benefit to pledging and not just waiting for retail. The value simply hasn't been there, and the dungeon compendium which should have been part of the default box being extra is kinda insane. The fake stretches like how the paladin ON THE COVER of the box and the 5th hero for a 5 player game with CO- OP AI wasn't going to be in the box? That was like Mega Man pretending Gutsman and Cuts man were not going to be in the core retail box. All lies. If they can no longer support 'deeper than retail (with discounters) applied' discounts for KS, then maybe they need to stop using KS? For mantic who has long used 'look how cheap to MSRP to show value for that to be suddenly gone from this KS is suspect.
Right now, the best thing they have going for them is the resin heroes and resin 'upgraded' heroes. Good sculpts in a material Mantic is fairly good at for a decent cost and a cool concept (something I wish more companies did with the level up heroes).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 13:57:55
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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I take it you're not backing then nkelsch?
Mantic have been doing very well with hard plastic of late IMO. Their scenery and zombies in particular are fantastic!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 14:23:18
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Fixture of Dakka
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angelofvengeance wrote:I take it you're not backing then nkelsch?
Mantic have been doing very well with hard plastic of late IMO. Their scenery and zombies in particular are fantastic!
And none of this is hard plastic and we don't seem to be getting any of Mantic's traditional wall-set scenery and the whelm of their scenery they are doing us very under. I would love for all of this to be hard plastic. That is the problem, we keep getting restic and now board game plastic opposed to the one thing they do well, which is hard plastic. Maybe make stretch goals 'upgrading' materials opposed to boring concepts which won't be executed well. A Monopose plastic model should cast just as well in hard plastic as it does board game plastic. Pose and sculpt usually determine the process and number of pieces and it does appear as if all the sculpts we have seen could be single piece hard plastic models if they wanted.
If they had that boxed set with all hard plastic, then the value would be there because as someone who collects and paints miniatures, a hard plastic or resin model has higher value than a restic or boardgame plastic model. I would also be fairly confident that I would be getting a good cast from hard plastic as long as the sculpts were good.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 14:31:28
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Well, they've got a year to do it all so that should be plenty of time for all the quality control malarky etc etc. So by the time it comes to dispatching it all it should fingers x'd be excellent quality.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 14:37:08
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Regular Dakkanaut
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angelofvengeance wrote: GrimDork wrote:Destroyer has a bit static of a pose but that may be better for a single piece BG mini tbh. We'll have to see how he turns out. 15k stretch isn't bad at all, and they're even adding the missing guy into the DM pledge level, woot!
Looking forward to what they have to say after we crush this one 
Heresy minis one kinda beats the hell out of "The Destroyer"
Quite disappointed in Mantic's to be frank.
My thoughts exactly. And also an unfortunate comparison as long as both KSs run simultaneously...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 14:45:15
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Unfortunate comparison? It's an excellent comparison for Mantic. It's 1 of 17 (more to come?) models with scenarios, tiles, counters and cards for 42% of the price. That model is very nice sure, but you're definitely paying for it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 14:49:18
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Yonan wrote:Unfortunate comparison? It's an excellent comparison for Mantic. It's 1 of 17 (more to come?) models with scenarios, tiles, counters and cards for 42% of the price. That model is very nice sure, but you're definitely paying for it. Fair enough about the price and mainly the use the model is going to have. Also an Early Bird freed by me if someone is interested
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 15:09:09
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Screaming Shining Spear
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I should have just left it at some people try very hard to never be happy rather than summoning a demonstration!
The photo seems like it might be hiding some detail in the wings maybe? They seem a lot softer compared to the rest. It's ok I guess, but it was never going to compete with that $60 resin delight at this price.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 15:15:30
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yonan wrote:Unfortunate comparison? It's an excellent comparison for Mantic. It's 1 of 17 (more to come?) models with scenarios, tiles, counters and cards for 42% of the price. That model is very nice sure, but you're definitely paying for it.
But for 42% of the price you are getting a 42% worse sculpt. People can make very valid comparisons in sculpt quality and understand the differences in cost.
Nothing requires lower-quality materials to have lower quality sculpts. (apart from companies who have low quality artists) Sometimes poses are restricted to avoid multi-piece but the basic sculpt for the mantic demon is fundamentally flawed and low quality and does not bode well for the rest of their demon's quality. It is just another dragon-rider and cathorse. Being cheap or a different material doesn't excuse the poor quality of the sculpt and make it unable to be compared to other models of similar size and theme.
You could put the Mierce head on the Mantic model and cast it as a one piece boad game plastic and still produce it for the cheap mantic cost and have it not be a bad sculpt. It is just not a good model compared to the alternatives.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 16:10:16
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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nkelsch wrote: Yonan wrote:Unfortunate comparison? It's an excellent comparison for Mantic. It's 1 of 17 (more to come?) models with scenarios, tiles, counters and cards for 42% of the price. That model is very nice sure, but you're definitely paying for it.
But for 42% of the price you are getting a 42% worse sculpt. People can make very valid comparisons in sculpt quality and understand the differences in cost.
Nothing requires lower-quality materials to have lower quality sculpts. (apart from companies who have low quality artists) Sometimes poses are restricted to avoid multi-piece but the basic sculpt for the mantic demon is fundamentally flawed and low quality and does not bode well for the rest of their demon's quality. It is just another dragon-rider and cathorse. Being cheap or a different material doesn't excuse the poor quality of the sculpt and make it unable to be compared to other models of similar size and theme.
You could put the Mierce head on the Mantic model and cast it as a one piece boad game plastic and still produce it for the cheap mantic cost and have it not be a bad sculpt. It is just not a good model compared to the alternatives.
No, for 42% of the price you're getting "a 42% worse sculpt" - and 16 other miniatures with tiles, cards and scenarios. You really need to grasp the difference in quantity you're getting in exchange for the lower quality, not just it being less than half the price. It's probably a much smaller miniature so it will by necessity have substantially less detail. The Mierce mini is 62mm, the Mantic one will be what, 35mm at most? On a strictly dollar value, the Mantic demon is probably $1.50 of the $25, if you want to compare that to a $60 mini and then criticise its low quality I think that's pretty unjustified.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 16:26:55
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Y'know Mantic when I said about making the Abyssals Dungeon Keeper themed I wasn't Fo RealZ.
So considering this guy was a WiP and reveled during the last Mantic open day (same time as the Molochs) I guess this sorta confirms the previewed Molochs are indeed the final DKH and KoW versions.
But don't hold me to it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 17:15:44
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Anybody else catch this from Jake's blog? I just copied it from the comments section, concerning what you're doing between adventures:
"Downtime essentially means picking one place to visit or thing to do between two adventures. There are many things you might want to do. Some will depend on your character's race or profession, some will cost you gold or other resources, some will make you gold, and many will be available to all. Some examples of Downtime options include:
- Tavern (because it wouldn't be a fantasy adventure without one)
- Mystical Market (buying and selling special or magical weapons, armour, potions and so on)
- Temple (making offerings to curry favour with the gods or atone for sins. Linked to experience for clerics and paladins)
- Other Temple (there's more than one god in Mantica, so may be more than one temple with different options for visitors. Some of these may take the form of sacred pools, fire pits, etc, depending on the faith)
- Arena (linked with experience for any combat-based characters, but can also be a family afternoon out)
- Thieves' Guild (buying/selling dodgy gear, experience for dodgy characters)
- Prison (may or not be a voluntary visit)
And so on..."
Link for those that can access it right now-
http://quirkworthy.com/2014/08/29/dungeon-saga-downtime/#respond
That sounds like the kinds of things I want to hear about being in the game!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 17:47:39
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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That 'Downtime' thing sounds immensely cool. I always loved that kind of stuff in Advanced Heroquest, makes things feel a lot more like D&D.
As for the big beastie, yes he isn't a patch on the Heresy miniatures one, but not everyone is going to have the cash to splash out on one of those. Think this one isn't really a rated 'R' style demon, but seems to fit the aesthetic of the other demons and mobs pretty well. That Infernal Crypt expansion is now looking like very good value as well.
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Troll harder why don't you?
Shouting down valid criticisms or trying to paint them as 'one lone dissenter in a sea of positive comments' is all lies. The fact there are multiple valid criticisms coming from multiple posters means your troll fell flat.
*snip*
I know I shouldn't, but this exchange made me chuckle..
Nkelsch, I can remember you knocking gak out of pretty much everything Mantic has produced going back at least 3-4 years now, not just here but on various forums.
I also don't know of anyone who has had such appalling results with other pledges (remembering pics you showed of your stuff) in terms of mould lines and mis-casts. It's almost like Mantic know who you are, and deliberately send you stuff from the reject pile..
Mate, I honestly don't know why you subject yourself to such punishment..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 17:50:13
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Down time does sound interesting.
Oh neat, hit our goal for the Destroyer and now there is a triple update incoming
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 18:08:08
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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1. We have minimal rules so we are pledging for VAPORWARE. Lots of the mechanics people actually want like COOP AI and PVP and other things simply don't exist. Lots of people who pledged MYTH are the exact audience for this KS and the major failure with MYTH (besides from the delays) was the rules. Asking people to buy another game system without valid or playtested or even beginning mechanics for some of the modes is too much for people.
Actually this is the bit I have the most confidence in. Jake is a solid designer and even his flawed stuff is more fun than mosts attempts. I am in the KS still largely on the strength of his involvement, even despite the fact I don't think his style is the best for the job. have yet to be let completely down by any of his designs to date.
2. Mantic fails hard at turning concept art into valid sculpts. They have often started a KS with a bunch of awesome sculpts by their A team sculptors and finished the KS by changing artists and producing some bad models at the end. This behavior has been repeated too many times. Right now, the only things worth pledging for are the sculpts which are done.
Well, don't necessarily agree there - some of those done sculpts aren't that hot...
Luckily here this is an area where I have plenty of painted models to plunk down so aren't fussed about the mini's for once.
3. Mantic has not proven mastery of any material yet. Mars attacks has been a wild crapshoot from 'pretty good' to 'in the garbage awful'. The problem is 'miniature painters' are a valid chunk of your audience and to discount them as 'you shouldn't expect quality from boardgame plastic' is a bad thing. Boardgame plastic can make paintable quality miniatures if the company has a commitment to QC. Mantic has never shown a commitment to QC.
They do have inexplicable lapses, especially when dealing with a patient audience. As gamers 90% of us can wait for something to be done right. And yes they are getting better, but it sucks to think you have paid for them to learn and got sub quality stuff as a consequence (I am still not even half way through my dreadball haul yet - apparently PP uses a similar material which means I will never buy their stuff). Compare that to something like trollcast spun resiny stuff, seems to have the detail and price point of restic, but without being that horrible stuff.
4. Mantic Customer service sucks. Every fulfillment has the forums overflowing with 'they won't respond to my pledge, my email or my webform' with the same 'please contact so-and-so directly' or 'go pledge the new KS, that is where their focus is now, that is how to get their attention. This is a very bad cycle which hasn't been broken yet.
Everyone in the club had at least one problem with each order where it was more than a retail box. Their system of extras does seem to be poor. We had delays with enquires, sometimes more than a week, but no one was ultimately forgotten about.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 18:12:53
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Pacific wrote:
Nkelsch, I can remember you knocking gak out of pretty much everything Mantic has produced going back at least 3-4 years now, not just here but on various forums.
Considering I don't actually belong to any other wargaming forums except maybe 'the-waaagh' I don't know how you could possibly see me on other forums... maybe there are other posters with very valid experiences which mirror mine and you are just trying to discount all of them by saying they are all one poster? Pretending bad experiences don't exist doesn't do anyone any favors. Apart from a short stint on BGG in the Myth boards and some SDE/chibi boards, there really is no where I even discuss mantic or wargaming minis except Dakka.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 19:17:30
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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The new stretch goals include a choose your own adventure book and a short story? Are they kidding?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 19:26:35
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Yeah the choose your own adventure book is a bit random. The real goal I suppose is the giant monster thing, I think 700,000 is pretty optimistic for that. Didn't they also say they had one more minion to do for the abyssal expansion? Surely that should come first?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 19:30:34
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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(I thought the destroyer finished the abyss expansion.) And in the comments they hinted at a 3rd expansion after the 700k goal, so that likely means not much more in the core set.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 19:40:37
Subject: Re:Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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The choose your own adventure is a cool idea.
I think they were discussing those books way back when the campaign first started. I might put in for an actual copy of the book.
Bear in mind that if they do go ahead with a 3rd expansion, there's a good chance those models will end up with your pledge as well, if the first two expansions are anything to go by.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 19:41:34
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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I always worry when anything on KS throws up sketches and concept art without any kind of renders or anything. Especially with Mantic's track record on this front.
I am going to keep my EB, but I'm going to wait as long as I can to decide on the expansions, as the MA stuff has me a little worried about this material, and I want to see as much as I can before I put my money in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/08/29 19:46:58
Subject: Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - $615k stretch goal: free hellhound
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Stoic Grail Knight
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I think that the rules for this will turn out fine as Jake has a pretty good history of making decent games. I don't think it will end up being a "wade through lots of little bad guys to get to the big baddy" type game like some people want, so people may be disappointed in the feel of the game, but I expect it to be a pretty decent rule set.
Regarding the models themselves, I think everybody has the sense that these will be board gaming pieces both in terms of sculpt quality and plastic/cast quality. What frustrates me about the miniatures is that Mantic could increase the sculpt quality pretty substantially and only charge a little bit more to each backer due to their economies of scale. I mean with $4000+ backers, you raise the per backer cost by $1 for example, and you could dramatically increase the sculpt quality of two or three of the key bad guys, and likely pull in even more money on the basis of the sculpts alone.
As someone who desperately wants Mantic to continue to do well, it is frustrating to see them continue to skimp on sculpt quality and material choice. It is being penny wise and pound foolish.
To be clear I think going with one piece board game quality plastic is likely the right material choice for this campaign, but I think it is fair to say that nobody will be pledging for DS based on the strength of the sculpts (or even the concepts).
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