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Are you kidding me? The choose your own adventure sounds awesome! I used to love those, nostalgia time! Plus more scenarios for the base DM pledge to go with your infernal dudes (but that also work with the expansion) boosh!

And then a zombie hydra? Hell yes zombie hydra.

The updates have me thinking there will be one more minion type to go into the second expansion, probably a 15k stretch which will be pretty easy as things are.

I mean for pete's sake we're already 6.5k or better past the destroyer goal in none too much time, meh.

For what it's worth, Myth's pieces were all one piece "board game quality" figures, and turned out quite nicely.

No reason Mantic couldn't produce similar quality figures.

Whether they do or not is entirely another story..

I'm cool with the undead hydra demon big bad. It's not like anything I currently have in my collection, and if it's done well it could be awesome.

What I'm really happy about is more scenarios. Happy I went with the Abyss expansion rather than the orc one. Pretty confident I'll be happy enough with this when I get it.

 GrimDork wrote:
Are you kidding me? The choose your own adventure sounds awesome!

Stretch goals like this are nothing more than filler. If I pledge for X, I want X and more of X. Not X and some Y. If I wanted Y, I would pledge for Y. Don't get me wrong, I like CYOA books. But not in the context of pledging for a board game.

 squall018 wrote:
I always worry when anything on KS throws up sketches and concept art without any kind of renders or anything. Especially with Mantic's track record on this front.

I am going to keep my EB, but I'm going to wait as long as I can to decide on the expansions, as the MA stuff has me a little worried about this material, and I want to see as much as I can before I put my money in.

Models aren''t made yet as they don't have dun dun dun Funding! You know...kickstarter's goal. A render would mean that the model is sculpted and ready to go, which is an investment up front (and hence a risk). they do it for the first few models to gain momentum, but after that they rely exclusively on KS funding, or the promise thereof.

EDIT and ehy is everyone unhappy about a backer goal that costs you nothing ?

I wouldn't characterize my response as "unhappy", just not particularly impressed, and therefore confused, because the point of stretch goals is to impress us and encourage us to pledge more.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
The choose your own adventure is a cool idea.

BGG'ers definitely like CYOA's. I mean, when they have some spare time but can't find someone to play a game with, they're sure not painting miniatures!

As for the demon, I'm wondering how much of its sculpture is limited by plastic injection molding (eg. undercuts). I think a demon is a fine boss monster for an "entry level" dungeon crawling miniatures set, although a dragon would be more popular.

Myself, I already picked up the Reaper Bones demons. But, like the Heresy model, you had to pay for them as an add-on. The DS demon is part of the DM pledge. Freeee!



The undead monster looks pretty cool, but I already have something like that from the D&D Adventure System games. Fits the theme better than a dragon, I suppose.

EDIT: The Dungeoncrawler KS is coming up, and you can see how their selection of monsters *isn't* targeted towards newbies like the DS one is: http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/56436-dungeon-crawler-ks2014/

The choose your own adventure is a great stretch (nostalgia had me buy the fighting fantasy books a while back) and it's based on backer number anyway - so if you don't like it, the goal has no overall impact on you or the kickstarter. The other two stretches are equally ace - though I'd like to see the final abyssal minion they mentioned added in and doors - if only to stop the whining in the comments.

This can easily add a third expansion too.

Looks like we have just passed the 'Unholy Crusade' pledge total.

For me, the sketch drawings are the first sign that we are entering not all 'pre-planned' territory for the Kickstarter. I like it, it gives a less produced feel to the whole thing.

And book is cool too as a nice little diversion. Just been playing one of those old Fighting Fantasy apps you can download now on your phone, they are a lot of fun!

 sukura636 wrote:

 squall018 wrote:
I always worry when anything on KS throws up sketches and concept art without any kind of renders or anything. Especially with Mantic's track record on this front.

I am going to keep my EB, but I'm going to wait as long as I can to decide on the expansions, as the MA stuff has me a little worried about this material, and I want to see as much as I can before I put my money in.

Models aren''t made yet as they don't have dun dun dun Funding! You know...kickstarter's goal. A render would mean that the model is sculpted and ready to go, which is an investment up front (and hence a risk). they do it for the first few models to gain momentum, but after that they rely exclusively on KS funding, or the promise thereof.

EDIT and ehy is everyone unhappy about a backer goal that costs you nothing ?

Hey, thanks for telling me how KS works. I'm pretty new here so didn't know...

Anyways, I wouldn't complain about a "free" stretch goal, but as has been said (ad naseum at this point) we don't know what this is costing at retail, so its hard to call anything "free" and be accurate about it.

Im not a fan of the demon, same old same old, big horns, bat wings and a scythe.....meh.

but in the context of the KS its ok, doesnt cost a whole lot (freeish) and seres a purpose.

I like the idea of the undead monster, hopefully more of a hydra or something that is a little different to the usual stereotypical monsters from other sources.

That total keeps on rolling up.

Little less than 48 hours and it's already nearing 680k.

I wonder if this can break 800? It'll hit 700, no doubt.

What's left that we know of at this point?

-Efreet for the abyss expansion (mentioned in comments)

-Doors

-possibility of getting plastic legendary heroes

-3rd expansion that consists of ???

-other surprises?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
The choose your own adventure is a cool idea.

It is cute

Bear in mind that if they do go ahead with a 3rd expansion, there's a good chance those models will end up with your pledge as well, if the first two expansions are anything to go by.

Please, dear saint of kickstarters, if they do this can they say - here is complete expansion, the target is 50k, or whatever it needs, above where we are now. Done and dusted...

It's more likely to be 100-125k given the stretches we've had already for the other two. I don't care how they unveil it, just looking forward to a third batch

I'm gonna aim high and say it'll hit 900k. The last day is always the craziest.

 squall018 wrote:
I always worry when anything on KS throws up sketches and concept art without any kind of renders or anything. Especially with Mantic's track record on this front.
I am going to keep my EB, but I'm going to wait as long as I can to decide on the expansions, as the MA stuff has me a little worried about this material, and I want to see as much as I can before I put my money in.

That's pretty amusing - add $15 for an undead demon that will look like ...something! Still, no-one is forced to add for it, and I imagine only the biggest and most insane of Mantic fanboiz will actually add for it.

Choose your own adventure book is, as said, pretty random feeling. More scenarios is a good thing, even if I don't give a fig about the lore of Mantica or their short stories.

Boardgame plastic figures can turn out quite decent. In fairness to the material, I've got quite a lot of them that look (to me) better than a lot of Mantic's HIPS and restic stuff, but that's more a commentary on Mantic's uneven sculpting (all companies are uneven, but some fall further on the "almost" or "just no" side in general. And the resin masters for this overall look quite good. Having said that, the demon big bad looks more than a bit underwhelming to me - but I don't expect it to compare to the Heresy figure, so it's "good enough" for a BG model. Buying extras of that or the concept-art Orc for $12 a pop in BG plastic is crazytown though - but again - what I said about above pledging $15 for an unknown model applies again.

I've got stuff that's much higher priority for my current spending money than to inflate the overall total for this and chase stretch goals, but I'm likely to stay in with my EB. And if they do the "pledge manager helps stretch goals" thing again, then I'll "help" down the road when I add the expacks in the PM.


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ced1106 wrote:

As for the demon, I'm wondering how much of its sculpture is limited by plastic injection molding (eg. undercuts). I think a demon is a fine boss monster for an "entry level" dungeon crawling miniatures set, although a dragon would be more popular.

See - that's a really important and powerful point about dragons.

People fething love dragons. Dragon-heavy expansions for games like World of Warcraft and EverQuest were always more popular than others. People just love interacting with and killing Dragons. Now while this KS actually has some interesting and unique concepts here (undead zombie troll shamans) and so forth, what would really help their total would be a dragon boss for the core game. I'm not saying this because I'm super-excited and hanging out for a Mantic Dragon

but because a well, or decently-sculpted dragon model would help the game move units - not just KS totals, but at retail. Bigtime.

I - like most of us here - already have plenty of dragons, in metal, bones, resin and plastic. So it's not a "I want dragon" kind of whine. It's not like the floor tiles thing that are much more niche that boardgame players and kids wouldn't give two gaks about, it's something that would help it in it's obvious goal of being HeroQuest MK2 in B&M and mainstream BG stockists.

 MangoMadness wrote:
Im not a fan of the demon, same old same old, big horns, bat wings and a scythe.....meh.
but in the context of the KS its ok, doesnt cost a whole lot (freeish) and seres a purpose.

Context is everything here - it's perfectly fine for the role it has (and I don't actually like the sculpt). Stereotypical works best for a boardgame than something too creative.

This will be Mantics third boardgame plastic kickstarter so they should have it refined by this stage. Later restic models were a substantial improvement over the early ones (I still really like 95% of the Deadzone minis...) so I don't think it unreasonable to expect that these minis will come out more like the better Mars Attacks ones than the worse ones, probably better.

For the base pledge we're at 61+ minis (some are fairly large) + terrain stuff, tiles, cards, scenarios, solo play rules and what not. If you top $200 which will be easy to do with 3 expansions you get the hardback rulebook which is always nice imo.

Each expansion is ~19 minis plus cards, tiles, counters and scenarios which again seems like good value for $25.

It's probably just because I'm still new to the hobby and don't have a large stock of minis on hand, but the large quantity at good value is a big selling point for me as I don't already have minis (that are probably of better quality) that can fill the purpose.

Sounds like an auto-buy! And they're going to hit that big undead baddie in only 1.1K, so let's see what's next!

I will have a Dragon for my DS games at xmas time lol. He's really, REALLY big

We've just smashed through the $700K goal folks, which means...

UPDATE #45
BURN IT DOWN

Last night we unlocked the Unhold Crusades narrative campaign, and added it free to your Kickstarter Exclusive Journal.

And now we've broken another milestone goal - Ba’el, the legendary demonlord brought back to perpetual unlife has been raised by Mortibris, has been unlocked thanks to your efforts!

That means we’ve unlocked him free in your Dungeon Master ($100 and Early Bird) pledge level!! The votes are still being counted on which sketch to use, make sure you’ve voiced your opinion.


Wow – what a way to start the weekend!

Let’s complete that Infernal Crypts expansion shall we?

New Stretch Goal

$725,000 – BONUS Abyssal Effrit!

All Abyssal creatures are born of the flames, and most have some kind of pyromantic talent, but none are the equal of the Effrits. Born in and moulded by the deepest and hottest furnace flames of the infernal pit, Iffrits are constantly suffused in flickering, demonic flames. They often transport themselves forwards on a column of fire, and shoot massive and deadly fireballs from their clawed fists which burn hot enough to reduce even a fully armoured warrior to mere dust and ashes in an eyeblink. Iffrits are thankfully rare, but where they do appear, doom will surely follow for all those who face them.



If we hit this stretch goal, we will produce the mighty Effrit and will:

- Include two of these miniatures in the Infernal Crypts expansion pack ($25)

- Include one of this miniature in a pledge of Dungeon Master ($100 and Early Bird)

The Effrit completes the Infernal Crypts Expansion Pack, and is the last of the bonus Abyssals in the Dungeon Master ($100 and Early Bird) pledge level…

… and we’ll still not done yet! We’re venturing to new locations for Dungeon Saga next!

I'm definitely buying that CYOA book. I may buy the whole $100 pledge if the PM and my birthday coincide, and nothing even more exciting has come along.

OP is very out of date :(

Got the efrits, now unlocking $25 add-on tiles with one set of plastic furniture, added plastic furniture to other tile add on set as well.

I guess its not... bad? Gotta do doors soon or people are gonna freak out lol. Plastic furniture means people who wanted a set can get moar tiles for just another 10 bucks.

Hope fully doors next or I for see mutiny.

There's a hint at doors in the Black fortress description .

Hmmm. I was on the fence about getting a second lot of dungeon furniture. Extra tiles + furniture is pretty attractive. I might have to up my pledge.

Pretty happy with the value provided at present. Though if I up again, I'll be at 160. It becomes very tempting to try to find the extra 40 dollars to get it to 200 for the hardback book!

Given the sheer quantity of tiles from base + exp + exp I'm actually getting a bit more keen on the tiles themselves, rather than just defaulting to using 3rd party terrain. The Black Fortress addon just makes that even more appealing. It looks like a substantial quantity of tiles which should add a nice amount of variety to the gameplay. I was expecting a 3rd "expansion" of miniatures at 750k though : (

Yeah, I've started to think about a "cardboard megadungeon", which is a little insane. I used to have a lot of the Dungeons and Dragons generic dungeon tiles- I sold them off when I got rid of my D'n'D minis a few years ago. I wish I hadn't! I am excited to re-stock with some nice tiles here. Though I hope some of them are "generic" enough!

Skirmish games (like LOTR) can easily be played on a tile based board, and it makes for some really interesting play scenarios. I ran a bunch of demos at a small convention once with my painted LOTR stuff on D'n'D tiles. Some fun, dramatic games, with the fellowship moving through "cardboard moria". It's a lot more practical than having 3D dungeon terrain, though 3D is cooler.

Cardboard Moria... *eye twitch*... I locked a Dwarf Guardian at lvl 60 in Lord of the Rings Online because I love the Moria atmosphere. Replicating Moria on tabletop... you have my attention good sir ; p

I'm getting the Battle Systems fantasy dungeon terrain (on KS atm) which, while card stock, is still very much 3d thanks to its great design. Plastic and resin if painted up nicely would be the best of course, but the storage is the huge killer for me.

I looked at the battlesystems stuff, it is pretty awesome. I am just not sure if I want to be fiddling around with the cardboard so much, with my clumsy fingers.

Tiles are less evocative, but more functional for play.

I'm also playing LOTRO, though on a break. Really want to get to Moria- currently my Hobbit Hunter is in the Lone Lands, so I've a bit to go!

A quick tally (unless I miscounted!):
Dungeon Master pledge nets you 63 miniatures, including at least 5 Troll sized ones (depending on the size of the Efreet), one "big" one and a bunch of heroes. That's not bad at all.

I'm starting to wonder myself if I really *need* the battle systems stuff anymore... I could just get this stuff, and make my own walls that better fit these tiles. Just get some foamboard or whatever, print out appropriate texture, line strips of the board oh and inch or two high for convincing walls... I mean I love the idea of Battle Systems, gonna have much fun with their scifi stuff... but I'm just wondering if I really need it for fantasy with all of these tiles...

When the doors do eventually show up, I wonder if they'll toss some in with the tile expansions.

Those tile expansions would be a GREAT deal then- tiles, terrain, and the possibility of extra doors?

Hell, I'd consider even adding one then just for extra goodies to play with.