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 Harriticus wrote:
Wow, GW is really desperate. 3 Codex releases in like the last month. I remember when we used to get 2 a year.

So you like slow releases?

Terminators dropped in points, but paladins didn't. Wondering if they still have the same stat line.

lliu wrote:
Man, I hope Necrons will be updated soon, they have an old codex.

That was random.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
No vehicle upgrades, no psybolt ammo.

Would Psybolt Ammo show up if it was a standard option and not an upgrade?

All upgrades and points are shown in the force requisition. If its not there its not anything they can have.

 Mechanical Crow wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:
No vehicle upgrades, no psybolt ammo.

Would Psybolt Ammo show up if it was a standard option and not an upgrade?

All upgrades and points are shown in the force requisition. If its not there its not anything they can have.

Read the question again please.

Would Psybolt Ammo show up if it was a standard option and not an upgrade?

I don't do anything digital so I'm not sure if they do or do not show the various "basic" unit options that models have. I could see Psybolt Ammo getting toned down a bit and becoming a standard piece of kit for all the Grey Knight models.

Perhaps its built in to all models now? Standard str 5 storm bolters?

chnmmr wrote:
If these changes are real... I'm done with my Grey Knights and they'll never see play again. This is awful. People complained about the Tyranids codex.. that is nothing compared to the ***** this is. >_<

No sign of new vehicles, no sign of new models, just an incredibly bland codex... I want to keep using my 6th ed codex, I'm sorry GW that I asked for an updated codex! I'm happy with 6th T_T

You can always just keep on playing it that way.

7th for us has just be a better version of 5th with a few tweaks. I'm enjoying it and I'm not a GWWK.

Assume they don't to avoid disappointment.

 Byte wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
Wow, GW is really desperate. 3 Codex releases in like the last month. I remember when we used to get 2 a year.

So you like slow releases?

Yes?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Perhaps its built in to all models now? Standard str 5 storm bolters?

I could see it if his Wardness wrote the codex again.

Otherwise I doubt it.

Super Newb wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
*sighs* context folks context. when the source said bloated he ment "bloated with non- grey knight units"

The context is the anonymous source is many cards short of a deck, if you get my drift, or he is dishonestly pushing the GW propoganda of "less options and costs you even more, you should like this!!!!!" which is absolute 100000000% nonsense. And that's a fact.

assuming the source on Nafika's site is ccurate it sounds to me like someone on the actual development team trying to explain why they did what they did.

Sure, it could be some BS rationalization from someone on the design team, so what? Whether or not they believe their own BS it is still BS.

And this mentality from GW surprises you? Remember from the most recent Financial Report - "we don't do market research, we don't ask the market what it wants". They think if they split your former codex into two, you'll buy both to update your army like a good fan.

chnmmr wrote:
If these changes are real... I'm done with my Grey Knights and they'll never see play again. This is awful. People complained about the Tyranids codex.. that is nothing compared to the ***** this is. >_<

No sign of new vehicles, no sign of new models, just an incredibly bland codex... I want to keep using my 6th ed codex, I'm sorry GW that I asked for an updated codex! I'm happy with 6th T_T

Unfortunately I have also come to this realization. I will either have to drop the army which I am really sad about or continue with the old Codex forevermore. If these rumours are true I have literally no HQs and only 1 Troop choice...meanwhile have 4 elites, 3 if Assassins are removed which I'm also sad about because I won't be getting any digital stuff and this is one of my favourite models and my second ever for my GK.
Unbound isn't accepted where I am, even among mates. Blanket rule is no Unbound to avoid the douches with 9 Riptide and Wave Serpent spam, and if you allow 1 Unbound army you can't disallow another, its unfair ruling.
The other rule is no Lords of War or C:IK. Superheavies should remain in Apoc, that's what we decided long ago.
So I guess Ork and SW players got screwed too in that case.


This means I literally cannot field an army. Screw you GW.


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Frankly I don't vare about Inq as I never use them and never will but if it means Assassins stay then please keep it.

Super Newb wrote:

Danarc wrote:

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
...

So to reiterate: book is about the grey knights and nothing else cluttering it.

If you want the old book, just grab codex: inquisition to go with it.

It's not GWs fault that TOs are limiting people to two sources. The design process was that the book was too bloated with choices that had nothing to do with grey knights, thus didn't need to be there.

Great some anonymous dolt trying to justify this. I didn't buy the Inquisition codex because it was a crappy ass cut and paste job from the GK codex I already have. Now this half-wit is telling me I need to buy TWO codexes just to almost play my old army? And the reason was the old GK codex was too bloated? FU, it wasn't bloated and this new codex with less options is just a pathetic cash grab by GW.

well..all the new codexes require you to buy two codexes to have all the non digitial non wd exclusive rules. Orks/Waaagh book SW/great companies book, GK/Inq..

 Deadshot wrote:

chnmmr wrote:
If these changes are real... I'm done with my Grey Knights and they'll never see play again. This is awful. People complained about the Tyranids codex.. that is nothing compared to the ***** this is. >_<

No sign of new vehicles, no sign of new models, just an incredibly bland codex... I want to keep using my 6th ed codex, I'm sorry GW that I asked for an updated codex! I'm happy with 6th T_T

Unfortunately I have also come to this realization. I will either have to drop the army which I am really sad about or continue with the old Codex forevermore. If these rumours are true I have literally no HQs and only 1 Troop choice...meanwhile have 4 elites, 3 if Assassins are removed which I'm also sad about because I won't be getting any digital stuff and this is one of my favourite models and my second ever for my GK.
Unbound isn't accepted where I am, even among mates. Blanket rule is no Unbound to avoid the douches with 9 Riptide and Wave Serpent spam, and if you allow 1 Unbound army you can't disallow another, its unfair ruling.
The other rule is no Lords of War or C:IK. Superheavies should remain in Apoc, that's what we decided long ago.
So I guess Ork and SW players got screwed too in that case.


This means I literally cannot field an army. Screw you GW.


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Frankly I don't vare about Inq as I never use them and never will but if it means Assassins stay then please keep it.

So your local gaming scene refuses to accept the new legal rules, but GW is making codexes based around said new rules, so it's GW's fault your armies are getting screwed? Be mad at your local gaming scene, not GW.

seems like a lot of people in this thread that are bemoaning the rumors dislike the idea of playing anything other than inq henchmen as their troops is the only really complaint.

looks like Draigo is a LoW if these rumors are true.

Would be interesting to see what detachment options they have. So far each new main dex has released 1 new formation and 1 new detachment for that army.

Wow.

I mean, every N+R thread about a GW army update goes through the whole "the sky is falling" phase. There's always someone threatening to rage quite of X,Y or Z does/doesn't happen, there's always someone flat out stating that it's some sort of elaborate troll attempt in the face of substantial evidence to the contrary, but, wow, this thread is going really out there.

Firstly, this is based on info that isn't supposed to be accessible, the odds are excellent that it isn't complete or isn't displaying correctly.

Secondly, you only have half the equation. There could be any number of army wide special rules that make this an extremely playable book.

Finally, as much as I concede that needing a second book to re-insert units you currently already have is rough, it is still an option, Assassins notwithstanding (and I'm sure they're not far off.)

Indarys wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

chnmmr wrote:
If these changes are real... I'm done with my Grey Knights and they'll never see play again. This is awful. People complained about the Tyranids codex.. that is nothing compared to the ***** this is. >_<

No sign of new vehicles, no sign of new models, just an incredibly bland codex... I want to keep using my 6th ed codex, I'm sorry GW that I asked for an updated codex! I'm happy with 6th T_T

Unfortunately I have also come to this realization. I will either have to drop the army which I am really sad about or continue with the old Codex forevermore. If these rumours are true I have literally no HQs and only 1 Troop choice...meanwhile have 4 elites, 3 if Assassins are removed which I'm also sad about because I won't be getting any digital stuff and this is one of my favourite models and my second ever for my GK.
Unbound isn't accepted where I am, even among mates. Blanket rule is no Unbound to avoid the douches with 9 Riptide and Wave Serpent spam, and if you allow 1 Unbound army you can't disallow another, its unfair ruling.
The other rule is no Lords of War or C:IK. Superheavies should remain in Apoc, that's what we decided long ago.
So I guess Ork and SW players got screwed too in that case.


This means I literally cannot field an army. Screw you GW.


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Frankly I don't vare about Inq as I never use them and never will but if it means Assassins stay then please keep it.

So your local gaming scene refuses to accept the new legal rules, but GW is making codexes based around said new rules, so it's GW's fault your armies are getting screwed? Be mad at your local gaming scene, not GW.

I'm mad at GW for altering the way my army is built. Good, hard earned money I spent building an army the way I wanted and enjoyed it. GW should never ever imposed restrictions that conflict with previous allowances, such as SW Termy or WG armies, or mixed squads, or GK Paladin armies, or Purifiers for that matter. That is twice my army builds, which I spent a lot of time and effort and coin to make. First was the SM codex which restricted special character mixing (I was working on a collection of all of them), which meant I couldn't field more than 1 HQ at a time. This is the second where I now have to purchase a crappy out of date model (Brother Captain or Brotherhood Champion) along with yet another Terminator or Strike Squad just to make my army legal.

Also note that Unbound specifically requires player permission. Gw have allowed that so should account for people who will deny permission and thus the ability to field certain armies such as those mentioned.
Furthermore, there's no way Logan, Ghaz or Draigo should be in the same weight category as; Baneblades, Warhounds, Thunderhawks or Primarchs. Simple answer is no.


So yeah, my money wasted, GW is mostly to blame, gaming group slightly to blame because we believe in fairness to all and no dirty competitive players stinking up the game with maxed out Riptides and invisible Wraightknights. This does not make me happy.

If GW splits off Inquisitors/Assassins as a splinter group and adds new toys for the Grey Knights, I'd be more than happy. I could see GK having some damn-fancy new toys. Maybe even just give them some stuff from the Space Marine Codex if you really don't have much to add (maybe like Grey Knight-versions of Centurions and other Space Marine toys, that cost slightly more and are stronger with different wargear options).

But if this is seriously going to be a new release that doesn't add anything and takes away the Inquisitorial stuff, cue rage. The Grey Knights have had access to Inquisitorial toys for two reasons: because it fits well with their 'Demon-hunting' theme and because Grey Knights all on their own just don't have enough toys and variety.

The Grey Knights, without any Inquisitorial stuff and without any new additions, just don't have ENOUGH! It's not fair to expect people to buy two codexes to have the number of choices one codex used to have.

I'm praying that we're missing something, or that the leaks are incorrect. Grey Knights becoming the new Militarum Tempestus is just a terribad idea.

I loved using my Vindicare with my Knights. A bit disappointed if Psybolt ammo is gone. R.I.P. my Psyfileman Dread.

Could this thread win the title of most shamefully negative away from the Raging Heroes thread?

 Azreal13 wrote:
Wow.

I mean, every N+R thread about a GW army update goes through the whole "the sky is falling" phase. There's always someone threatening to rage quite of X,Y or Z does/doesn't happen, there's always someone flat out stating that it's some sort of elaborate troll attempt in the face of substantial evidence to the contrary, but, wow, this thread is going really out there.

Firstly, this is based on info that isn't supposed to be accessible, the odds are excellent that it isn't complete or isn't displaying correctly.

Secondly, you only have half the equation. There could be any number of army wide special rules that make this an extremely playable book.

Finally, as much as I concede that needing a second book to re-insert units you currently already have is rough, it is still an option, Assassins notwithstanding (and I'm sure they're not far off.)

Bingo!

this is terrific.
pagk increase point, as purifiers as dread.
the same dread GK and SM have 25 point difference.

only one word:

WHY???

lol i love how every post turns into GW either being to greedy, or shafting army X...

Grey Knights will get a codex, it will great, and there will be supplements. Don't like it don't buy it.

Im backing the guy that is saying they will get a New physical codex as well as at least 1 new plastic kit. And the OP rumors are way off base IMO and just negative nancys, filling the magic box we call the internet, with hate.

This post has been some good reading however, very entertaining.

 Deadshot wrote:

I'm mad at GW for altering the way my army is built. Good, hard earned money I spent building an army the way I wanted and enjoyed it. GW should never ever imposed restrictions that conflict with previous allowances, such as SW Termy or WG armies, or mixed squads, or GK Paladin armies, or Purifiers for that matter. That is twice my army builds, which I spent a lot of time and effort and coin to make. First was the SM codex which restricted special character mixing (I was working on a collection of all of them), which meant I couldn't field more than 1 HQ at a time. This is the second where I now have to purchase a crappy out of date model (Brother Captain or Brotherhood Champion) along with yet another Terminator or Strike Squad just to make my army legal.

Also note that Unbound specifically requires player permission. Gw have allowed that so should account for people who will deny permission and thus the ability to field certain armies such as those mentioned.
Furthermore, there's no way Logan, Ghaz or Draigo should be in the same weight category as; Baneblades, Warhounds, Thunderhawks or Primarchs. Simple answer is no.


So yeah, my money wasted, GW is mostly to blame, gaming group slightly to blame because we believe in fairness to all and no dirty competitive players stinking up the game with maxed out Riptides and invisible Wraightknights. This does not make me happy.

At least you still have a book. Lost and the Damned players don't even get a digital release.

You bought assuming some units would still be in the book, it happens. We bought in expecting GW to keep their promise that the army would exist, look where that got us.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Wow.

I mean, every N+R thread about a GW army update goes through the whole "the sky is falling" phase. There's always someone threatening to rage quite of X,Y or Z does/doesn't happen, there's always someone flat out stating that it's some sort of elaborate troll attempt in the face of substantial evidence to the contrary, but, wow, this thread is going really out there.

Firstly, this is based on info that isn't supposed to be accessible, the odds are excellent that it isn't complete or isn't displaying correctly.

Secondly, you only have half the equation. There could be any number of army wide special rules that make this an extremely playable book.

Finally, as much as I concede that needing a second book to re-insert units you currently already have is rough, it is still an option, Assassins notwithstanding (and I'm sure they're not far off.)

Shhh you. We'll have none of that logic and patience in N&R army update thread. We'll just take every kernel and continue to jump to wild conclusions on specious and incomplete information thank you very much.

Danarc wrote:
this is terrific.
pagk increase point, as purifiers as dread.
the same dread GK and SM have 25 point difference.

only one word:

WHY???

Maybe we don't know the full picture? Did that occur to you even once? If Purifiers went up by one point each (notice, the other three didn't) then I'm sure it is to have a bigger gap between them and Strike Squads as previously Purifiers were just so much better value than Strike Squads at least as a combat unit. While I am surprised that the PAGK units didn't drop in points especially as the Terminators did (excluding Paladins), it is likely that they have been made stronger through new/improved army-wide special rules or perhaps even having Psybolt included in their base profile now. As for Dreadnoughts, this is because the Grey Knight variant has a Nemesis weapon - i.e. improved force weapon - that makes it far more terrifying to monstrous creatures than a regular Dreadnought could ever hope to be, plus all the Grey Knight stuff. It is probably also because Grey Knight vehicles presumably still have the Psyker rule.

Logic. Use brain. Calm down.

All you rage-quitters. Can I have your stuff? I'm at least willing to see the final product before I jump off of the deep end.

 agnosto wrote:
All you rage-quitters. Can I have your stuff?

You're about a month late for that, my Grey Knights are already sold.

Want some Dark Eldar or Dark Elves instead?

Danarc wrote:
this is terrific.
pagk increase point, as purifiers as dread.
the same dread GK and SM have 25 point difference.

only one word:

WHY???

Right now you have no rules to base GK dread and SM dread as the same for diff costs. The rules for the GK model may be different Nd warrant the 25 points. Until it releases though we can only speculate and hope.

 agnosto wrote:
All you rage-quitters. Can I have your stuff? I'm at least willing to see the final product before I jump off of the deep end.

Ditto, I've been wanting to restart my Grey Knight Allies for ages now. From what I can tell at a glance the Librarian's point cost has been fixed, the Dreadknights' Personal Teleporter is now fairly priced, the Paladin Apothecary is almost a third of the price of what it was, Purgation Squads pay the same amount for heavy weapons as other units rather than the inflated "5th Edition Devastator" costs, Draigo has dropped down 30 points, etc. Looks good to me!

 Platuan4th wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
All you rage-quitters. Can I have your stuff?

You're about a month late for that, my Grey Knights are already sold.

Want some Dark Eldar or Dark Elves instead?

Why would you sell your Dark Elves though, they are amazing!