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Now now, just because all evidence points towards this being an incorrect/incomplete product lets continue to complain about how this is ruining the game and we are going to quit playing.

Warmachine players, continue talking about how you are glad you quit already and this is why.

H.B.M.C keep being pessimistic and hilarious(I dont agree, but you are pretty funny)

Army sellers continue with your ebay auctions!!!

and rational people keep on eating your popcorn at people freaking out over nothing substantial.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think that this thread only have served to prove that the average age of the posters on Dakka is below 13.

Temper tantrums based on a clearly non-final product, which mised several important rules, that's a new low.

I know this is a tough concept for a few folk to grasp, but try to follow along; this is the News & Rumours forum, where we discuss News & Rumours.

Huh, well I guess not that complex after all. Seriously, there is a permanent caveat attached to every post here that states "assuming what we're discussing is correct", and if there is a problem with the users of this forum, it's that a hefty chunk of them willfully ignore that patently obvious caveat so they can engage in petty sniping at anyone who dares to express any view other than "It's not out yet, so I must exist in a zen-like state of un-knowing, wherein the rumours are both true and not true, but I can have no opinion or thought on them".

In short, if you don't like people discussing and expressing views based on the rumours as they are presented, feel free to not read the forum.

EDIT: See above.

there's a differance between discussing a rumor in a calm manner and the chicken little absurdity some people are displaying.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

I'm mad at GW for altering the way my army is built. Good, hard earned money I spent building an army the way I wanted and enjoyed it. GW should never ever imposed restrictions that conflict with previous allowances, such as SW Termy or WG armies, or mixed squads, or GK Paladin armies, or Purifiers for that matter. That is twice my army builds, which I spent a lot of time and effort and coin to make. First was the SM codex which restricted special character mixing (I was working on a collection of all of them), which meant I couldn't field more than 1 HQ at a time. This is the second where I now have to purchase a crappy out of date model (Brother Captain or Brotherhood Champion) along with yet another Terminator or Strike Squad just to make my army legal.

Also note that Unbound specifically requires player permission. Gw have allowed that so should account for people who will deny permission and thus the ability to field certain armies such as those mentioned.
Furthermore, there's no way Logan, Ghaz or Draigo should be in the same weight category as; Baneblades, Warhounds, Thunderhawks or Primarchs. Simple answer is no.


So yeah, my money wasted, GW is mostly to blame, gaming group slightly to blame because we believe in fairness to all and no dirty competitive players stinking up the game with maxed out Riptides and invisible Wraightknights. This does not make me happy.

At least you still have a book. Lost and the Damned players don't even get a digital release.

You bought assuming some units would still be in the book, it happens. We bought in expecting GW to keep their promise that the army would exist, look where that got us.

Yes, I suppose I should be greatful they are still an army, but do you get my point? Its akin, although not as severe as, getting squatted. Except its on a personal level. Personal squatting.


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BrianDavion wrote:
there's a differance between discussing a rumor in a calm manner and the chicken little absurdity some people are displaying.

Really? Taking me for example because I know my own thoughts:
Is it absurd "The sky is falling" nonsense to base your opinion and thoughts on the most up to date rumour? Is it (in my case) absurd to be annoyed that your hard-earned cash is now wasted because GW has changed the rules to make it impossible for you to play the way that you originally intended and were able? Is it absurd to complain about having to spend even more time and money I can't afford and don't have to even play my army? Yeah, my gaming group has restrictions. Tournaments have restrictions, what's the difference? GW knows people will opt out of Unbound, that's why they specifically wrote in the Opting Out clause. They know there are tournaments that will disallow such wacky combinations as 5 Dire Avengers, a Riptide, Sternguard Veterans, Invisible Hammernators and Belakor as an army. So why is it so wrong to be mad about their decisions when it affects you in a negative way? Let's see how you appreciate it when Dante becomes a Lord of War and Death Company get moved to Elites in squads of 5-10, and your 50-man Death Company Army gets boned, or your Sanguinary Guard army gets screwed over because Dante neither allows them as troops or you aren't even allowed to bring him because no LoW? To use BA as an example.

I'm currently working on a grey knights army. and I agree there are some things of concern here (my plan was to run dragio as my HQ, obviously I'm gonna need another HQ now. annoying I agree)
I just try not to get too angry until the complete picture is presented. and IMHO right now the data we have obviously has some holes in it.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Danarc wrote:
which rule can made better a dread for 25 point? .

Psychic levels are generally 25 points to bump a level. So psychic pilot on a dread would fit.

25 points for a dice?
are you kidding me?
it isn't a librarian.

Never mind about the rules, it'll be interesting to see if the fluff in this book causes as much "debate" as the last one...

 Leth wrote:
H.B.M.C keep being pessimistic and hilarious(I dont agree, but you are pretty funny)

*shrugs*

I've got no dog in this fight, and personally the idea of a majorly cut-down Codex doesn't seem realistic to me.

 Fezman wrote:
Never mind about the rules, it'll be interesting to see if the fluff in this book causes as much "debate" as the last one...

What, Draigo? Probably. I don't see what the problem is. Righteous fury of vengeance can bestow amazing power. Combined with anti-Daemon armour, sword, magicks and a storm shield he is suitably armed and armoured to beat Mortarion, and Mortarion's Heart reveals .
As for wandering the Warp, why not? Sure, everyone else goes mad, why must he? He's literally the greatest Grey Knight in current existence as virtue of his position as Chapter Lord. Why do people have a problem with that? They don't have an issue with Logan being the greatest Space Wolf, or Dante the greatest BA. He has the skills, equipment and knowledge to best any of the lesser Daemons or Heralds and most of the greater Daemons too. I don't seen why he'd go crazy if he's winning. He's just behind enemy lines, harassing the Daemon war effort by slaying Daemons and forcing them to respawn, distracting the gods and forcing them to waste effort on rebuilding their gardens or cities.

Or is it simply hating on the best because he's the best?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4m6gs37qtdbqty4/1466080_823813770986787_623381823906296677_n.jpg

Well that confirms that, and no new models on the front cover. Colour me very surprised.

Really trying to stay positive until more substantial leaks come through, but man, after the way GW butchered my Ork lists, I'm not really excited to have the way I play my GKs butchered, especially in such a small time frame.

Almost like an inside joke, "Dare you read the new codex? You won't believe the mess we've made of this one!"

3 codexes in a row? Damn GW is desperate, especially since it looks like no new models are being released from that WD cover.

Looks like Bretonians won't be getting an army book for yet another month (or week... hold out Bretonian players, hold out!).

Let's be honest, we all knew as soon as C:=][= was released that they'd be removed from C:GK, and, if they are indeed removed, Assassins becoming they're own (overpriced) minidex would be a cool if annoying to GK players (and overpriced); I mean who doesn't like the thought of having Assassins in their non-GK imperial army without a troop and HQ tax.

Honestly this is looking like another Orks/Space Wolves: rushed and generic. Ah well if GW continues with the trend (and survive long enough) at least everything will be reasonably balanced, right?

Maybe this is GW trying to undo Mat Ward's stupidity from 5th ed i.e. doom-this and psy-that?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Maybe this is GW trying to undo Mat Ward's stupidity from 5th ed i.e. doom-this and psy-that?

Space Wolves disagree.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Maybe this is GW trying to undo Mat Ward's stupidity from 5th ed i.e. doom-this and psy-that?

Space Wolves disagree.

I suppose having characters called Wolfy wolf wolf wolfborn would alter your perception lol

Introducing a new named dreadknight..psy-man the psy,-killer of psy-dom weilding his great psy-lance and psy-cannon.

To be fair they did lose some of their woly-wolf this with the loss of the tail and talisman.

Instead the got Murderfang who satiates his Murderlust with his Murderclaws!

 agnosto wrote:
Introducing a new named dreadknight..psy-man the psy,-killer of psy-dom weilding his great psy-lance and psy-cannon.

don't forget he satiates his psy-lust with said psy-lance.

It also corrects the absurdity where Inquisitors from C:GK can use Sanctic without trouble and those from C: Inq can not.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Maybe this is GW trying to undo Mat Ward's stupidity from 5th ed i.e. doom-this and psy-that?

Let's see what was actually Doom-this and psy-that, shall we?


Nemesis Doomfist. Somewhat silly name but 1 thing.

Psybolt and Psyflame Ammunition. Psychically charged Bolt and auto rounds and Promethium respectively. Perfectly acceptable.
Psycannon. Large bolter weapon that fires psychically charged rounds.
Psykout grenades, missiles and bombs- psychically charged explosive for use on Daemons and Psykers. Also nifty wordplay on "psyke out" as in to intimidate someone.
Psychotroke Grenades. 1 thing with no justification.
Psilencer. user sends psychic charge into ammo thingy-ma-jig. Weapon turns it into a raw psychic bolt. Also a nifty wordplay on Silencer.


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 agnosto wrote:
Introducing a new named dreadknight

This ain't a bad idea.

 Platuan4th wrote:
At least you still have a book. Lost and the Damned players don't even get a digital release.

You bought assuming some units would still be in the book, it happens. We bought in expecting GW to keep their promise that the army would exist, look where that got us.

Did that make you want to take you chances again with another army? I know it drove me away, but it seems Zion for instance decide it was a cause to give GW another try. Really, we ought to put huge disclaimer every time GW make a “niche” release about their habit of leaving people in the cold.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
In a better world there's be a codex Inquisition with all kinds of freaky stuff and GKs, Death Watch and Sisters each getting a unit or two...

I can see it for Grey Knight, that are extremely specialized warrior dedicated to killing daemons. It makes perfect sense for Death Watch, because they are specialized teams that were initiated by the Inquisition, for the Inquisition. None of those are supposed to be able to wage war by themselves: the Grey Knights will just strike against the demonic leaders, and the death watch will just do special missions like trying to bring back some xenos specimen, or try experimental methods to incapacitate xenos. But for Sisters of Battle, that have always been a real army able to wage war by itself, and that are way, way, WAY more linked to the Ecclersiarchy than to the Inquisition, why?

The Knight in the rear left seems to be wielding a hammer?

This new?

I have no idea where you rumourmongers got the "no new kits" idea from. Just last month SW were in the same position to GKs are now [just give the wolves the Stalker/Hunter], and yet they got a load of new kits in that release. Would like some reasonable explanation on why you and GW think GK don't need new kits.

 Azreal13 wrote:
The Knight in the rear left seems to be wielding a hammer?

This new?

No, but it was a useless upgrade so basically no one ever uses it.


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 sing your life wrote:
I have no idea where you rumourmongers got the "no new kits" idea from. Just last month SW were in the same position to GKs are now [just give the wolves the Stalker/Hunter], and yet they got a load of new kits in that release. Would like some reasonable explanation on why you and GW think GK don't need new kits.

They are saying that as there are no new models on the White Dwarf cover:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4m6gs37qtdbqty4/1466080_823813770986787_623381823906296677_n.jpg

Surely, if there had been new models, they'd be shown on the cover.

this is comical, you people are all being played for a fool (though I have had a good laugh at this thread). You are all speculating and getting worked up based on an unverifiable, inconclusive rumor. Again some guy, who is probably terrible at the game so blame GW, is just blogging or posting whatever all over the internet. Wait for rumors from at least a source thats at least 30% right of the time. The rage quit, "my ghost knights are gone", " 1/3 of army is gone and points went up", "I am not getting a codex...."... really? Cmon people. lol

Everything will be okay sport... there, there.. *pats heads

It's certainly a strong hint of no new models this coming week,

but nothing proves the there isn't another week with models afterwards

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
It's certainly a strong hint of no new models this coming week,

but nothing proves the there isn't another week with models afterwards

Very unlikely, as GW's latest trend is to release the new stuff first (sometimes even before the codex itself is released), to avoid a period with codex entries that lack a model.

 Redemption wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
It's certainly a strong hint of no new models this coming week,

but nothing proves the there isn't another week with models afterwards

Very unlikely, as GW's latest trend is to release the new stuff first (sometimes even before the codex itself is released), to avoid a period with codex entries that lack a model.

To build on this, it prevents people like Chapterhouse making kits and GW unable to copyright the model or make the model like its artwork because someone else already has the copyrighted design. Thinking about it, this may be why they now use photos rather than artwork, as the contents of an image cannot be copyrighted according the the Chapterhouse lawsuit. Apparently, while Chapterhouse or another external party cannot directly use the artwork of a Tervigon, there is nothing to prevent them making a model based on what the image shows.
So if GW made the Codex first with artwork but no (released model) they couldn't copyright it and 3rd parties could make models identical to the artwork's design and therefore prevent GW from making the same model they have depicted. If they release a picture of the model they've already made but not yet copyrighted because it isn't released, 3rd parties can make an identical model, copyright it and sue GW when the model is released for Copyright infringement.
On the other hand, release the model first, then a Codex with the image and then GW are safe.

It also gives the added bonus that they can put rules in WD for the previous Codex (example being Murderfang and the Stormfang Gunship) and have less internet savvy people purchase their Day -5 DLC, they repurchase the Codex for the exact same content.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
(Of course before that they had an army list where they were just standard marines, and acutally grey, but only I would remember that!)

I remember it. I also remember that for pretty much only a single WD issue, there was such a thing as power armored Deathwing.