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 easysauce wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
thats odd.... when assasins were rolled INTO the GK codex in the first place, people were upset about that as well.

If only that were true. The Assassins were never "rolled into" a Grey Knight Codex. There was the Daemon Hunter Codex, and then there was the Grey Knight Codex. Both had Assassins, and both had Grey Knights. The two unit types have been joined at the hip for a decade now, and prior to that there never was a Grey Knight Codex.

you obviously were not around for codex assasins....

it was a thing,

it got rolled into the DH/GK codex, this is a fact, making what used to be takable in any imperial army, only takable with GK allies.

go back far enough, and players complain about both sides of the coin to everything GW does, too slow releases? peopel complain, too fast? people complain. Include special characers in "vanilla 50k" people complain... take any SC's out of the game... people complain.

And both of those groups of players will continue to buy stuff :]


I'd love a new assasins book! Back in 3rd edition I loved running a vindicare assasin with my crimson fists!

In the specific case of the Devastators, the leg and body sprue is shared with the Command Squad box and appears to have been a single frame cast in the first place, probably because it's shared. The weapons appear to have been a 2 frame cast, so the Long Fangs would be pretty simple to set up. The assault squad jump pack frame appears to also be a single frame.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

If only that were true. The Assassins were never "rolled into" a Grey Knight Codex. There was the Daemon Hunter Codex, and then there was the Grey Knight Codex. Both had Assassins, and both had Grey Knights. The two unit types have been joined at the hip for a decade now, and prior to that there never was a Grey Knight Codex.

ahhh the assasin codex, its even a supplement!

I remember the cries of "OMG CASH GRAB WHY ISNT THIS FREE IN WHITE DWARF"

I hope it comes out again with more in depth enchanced rules !




GK rumours:


possible kits, (source is probability based speculation on my part, in order of what I think will actually happen)


dreadnought

named DK

mordrak

as of yet unknown troops option

 easysauce wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Or they could go the terrain route and have underpaid interns sit there and cut sprue for you (at extra cost)

Joking aside, id be prettttty miffed if assassins got split, unless they got extremely cool buffs and updates.

thats odd.... when assasins were rolled INTO the GK codex in the first place, people were upset about that as well.

CHAAAAAAANNNNNGGGGEEEE!!!!!!!!!

I wasn't around for the roll in. soooooooooooooo doesn't effect me in the least. Still paid for the models, and are painted nice. would really be annoyed to have to buy 3 codecs (25ish + 50 + whatever assassins might become) to play all my toys.

This is all assuming they have been pulled from the codex.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sell the bodies separately... where?

Online? ~£0.50 for box materials for the tiny amount of sprue. £0.00 for the unpaid intern to take the picture of 5 Space Marine models on a mirrored surface and black blackground and copy and paste onto the back of the box with the disclaimer "Arms and weapons shown not included" in size 0.01 print. 1 Day to make, cost next to nothing extra and then sell the bodies for £12 and the Long Fangs for £30.

You're giving GW way too much credit. Not only do they not think like that, they couldn't care less if people have extra parts laying around that their useless waste sprues would help.

No, but they do care about money. If GW sold separate bodies, people would 100% buy to use their spare bits. Guarenteed cash for no additional cost.

Again, they don't think like that. They also don't know there's a need/demand for it, because they don't do marketing research.


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 easysauce wrote:
I remember the cries of "OMG CASH GRAB WHY ISNT THIS FREE IN WHITE DWARF"

And then the 3rd edition version was free with White Dwarf.

 Desubot wrote:

CHAAAAAAANNNNNGGGGEEEE!!!!!!!!!

I wasn't around for the roll in. soooooooooooooo doesn't effect me in the least. Still paid for the models, and are painted nice. would really be annoyed to have to buy 3 codecs (25ish + 50 + whatever assassins might become) to play all my toys.

Yes, but people who had nicely painted assassin models were equally annoyed when they became only usable in a GK army. At least in this case the problem is easily fixable by buying that extra codex. Annoying, but much less annoying than buying a GK codex and an entire GK army to use your two assassin miniatures...

Yep its annoying all around. doesn't diminish my grievance. but its only an opinion. In the end il probably end up having to get all the books to play with my GK INQ and ASS.

(its ether that or they will shove it in the WD and i can call it a day)

Putting them in their own codex usable in any army seems the least annoying way though

 Crimson wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

CHAAAAAAANNNNNGGGGEEEE!!!!!!!!!

I wasn't around for the roll in. soooooooooooooo doesn't effect me in the least. Still paid for the models, and are painted nice. would really be annoyed to have to buy 3 codecs (25ish + 50 + whatever assassins might become) to play all my toys.

Yes, but people who had nicely painted assassin models were equally annoyed when they became only usable in a GK army. At least in this case the problem is easily fixable by buying that extra codex. Annoying, but much less annoying than buying a GK codex and an entire GK army to use your two assassin miniatures...

yeah, making stuff more flexable is GW's MO these days...

they cant listen to ANYONE without pissing people off, so they go "you do it, however the heck you want to do it."

little did they know,

that would piss people off too!


personally, new named DK character and dreadnought aside,

my favorite thing about the GK codex might be the assasins codex coming out again!

Having Dreadnoughts out of the HS slot makes me so happy but not as happy as LR being DT.

 easysauce wrote:

yeah, making stuff more flexable is GW's MO these days...

they cant listen to ANYONE without pissing people off, so they go "you do it, however the heck you want to do it."

little did they know,

that would piss people off too!


personally, new named DK character and dreadnought aside,

my favorite thing about the GK codex might be the assasins codex coming out again!

Yep they are damned if they do, damned if they dont, as its the hole they dug.

Now if they brought back all the crazyness from the last codex:assassins i could see it being fun.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Sell the bodies separately... where?

Online? ~£0.50 for box materials for the tiny amount of sprue. £0.00 for the unpaid intern to take the picture of 5 Space Marine models on a mirrored surface and black blackground and copy and paste onto the back of the box with the disclaimer "Arms and weapons shown not included" in size 0.01 print. 1 Day to make, cost next to nothing extra and then sell the bodies for £12 and the Long Fangs for £30.

You're giving GW way too much credit. Not only do they not think like that, they couldn't care less if people have extra parts laying around that their useless waste sprues would help.

No, but they do care about money. If GW sold separate bodies, people would 100% buy to use their spare bits. Guarenteed cash for no additional cost.

Again, they don't think like that. They also don't know there's a need/demand for it, because they don't do market research. /quote]
This is lies. Not from you but from them. Market research is as simple as Mat Ward or the model designers having a look on Facebook or here and seeing overwhelming numbers asking for seperated Inq and GK codexes.

 easysauce wrote:
you obviously were not around for codex assasins....

I was. For both of them - 2nd and 3rd Ed. I remember the 2nd Ed one quite distinctly, because I remember it being a tiny book that cost over $1 per page.

 easysauce wrote:
it got rolled into the DH/GK codex, this is a fact, making what used to be takable in any imperial army, only takable with GK allies.

The complaints might've stemmed from the required "Inquisitorial Chaperone". People complained that you need to take an Inquisitor to have one in a non-DH army, not that the Assassins were rolled into a GK Codex (and they weren't - there was no such thing as a GK Codex until the current one came about).

 easysauce wrote:
they cant listen to ANYONE without pissing people off, so they go "you do it, however the heck you want to do it."

That's not true. They don't listen to anyone at all. Their CEO said as much.

 Crimson wrote:

Cool. Grey Knights didn't exist as any army back then - there were a single unit in Codex: Army Lists - so there was nothing to roll the Assassins into.

 GreyHamster wrote:
In the specific case of the Devastators, the leg and body sprue is shared with the Command Squad box and appears to have been a single frame cast in the first place, probably because it's shared. The weapons appear to have been a 2 frame cast, so the Long Fangs would be pretty simple to set up. The assault squad jump pack frame appears to also be a single frame.

Oh. Thank you for the clarification. So the Dev box comes with the generic "5 legs + kneeling legs" sprue, plus a separate sprue with all the weapons, HTH weapons and other doodads. That they could put into a box with the two-frame Space Wolf sprue.

 Deadshot wrote:
This is lies. Not from you but from them. Market research is as simple as Mat Ward or the model designers having a look on Facebook or here and seeing overwhelming numbers asking for seperated Inq and GK codexes.

Why would Mat Ward or the (nebulous) "model designers" look at Facebook and base decisions on what they read there (especially when GW ran away from social media 'cause that's just a fad like those Pokemon thingies no one remembers these days)? Methinks you grant them too much autonomy.

Wait, what? Theres a Dreadknight Character? Where?

Unsure if posted yet

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Wait, what? Theres a Dreadknight Character? Where?

Unsure if posted yet

Spoiler:

Rofl

I did notice one of the ones in the back did have two Heavy Psycannons. Perhaps you can take two of the same weapons now? Double flamers, toasty

Dare you read the new codex? (And suffer immense amounts of disappointment?)

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Rofl

I did notice one of the ones in the back did have two Heavy Psycannons. Perhaps you can take two of the same weapons now? Double flamers, toasty

I think its a psilencer and a heavy psycannon.

Although it does say "may take up to two weapons of the following:"

 exploited751 wrote:

...
Although it does say "may take up to two weapons of the following:"

If this is the case, I could see taking two heavy psilencers, just for the heck of it. Rolling 24 dice for a single model's Shooting phase is just hilarious!

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Wait, what? Theres a Dreadknight Character? Where?

Unsure if posted yet

Spoiler:

lol. I started a rumor with my joke. Please don't tell Pretre!

As for these supposed Grey Knight data cards, anyone else forseeing some assclown buying sixty packs and then selling them for fifty bucks a piece on ebay?

 agnosto wrote:

lol. I started a rumor with my joke. Please don't tell Pretre!

I'm sure Nafka will post it soon.

 Crimson wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

lol. I started a rumor with my joke. Please don't tell Pretre!

I'm sure Nafka will post it soon.

but not before he posts CSM rumors

So its official then, GK are next.

Good.

10-man PAGK sounds awesome for maing GKSS, especially if its at a discount.

Just hope they keep the five man pack for making the other PAGK units.

Really still hope a plastic HQ of some kind is releaed.

Vehicle I hope is a GK dread. After the awesome new SW model I'd love to see a GK dread. I'd imagine it would be in the vein of the BA librarian dread,

 Crimson wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

lol. I started a rumor with my joke. Please don't tell Pretre!

I'm sure Nafka will post it soon.

I HEAR EVERYTHING!

Yes, because we need another dread with a helmet less head poking out to bite demons .

I just wanted to reiterate that there's no new kits. This was just another BS rumor posted by natfka

if Lord of War Gaming said there won't be new kits, well we better believe him.

 Theophony wrote:
Yes, because we need another dread with a helmet less head poking out to bite demons .

Alright MurderWhatever is crap but you can't deny Bjorn and the Generic Venerable look kickass.

 pretre wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

lol. I started a rumor with my joke. Please don't tell Pretre!

I'm sure Nafka will post it soon.

I HEAR EVERYTHING!

LoL.

Shame about no new kits. It'd be nice if we could have some vanilla stuff too, like GK Centurions. Ah well, no more wishlisting for me.