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 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Also, kind of cut off at the bottom, I assume 2 in every 5 can take a heavy weapon.

Kindof wondering what the Nemesis Banner does

My guess is its a relic like the SM Standard of the Emperor Ascendent. Makes sense because Paladins are the GK equivalent to Honour Guard.

I'm guessing it does everything the Brotherhood Banner does, alongside giving some sort of Fearless AoE for GK and Daemons suffer -1 to all saves within 6" and +1 to Combat resolution.

Can't make out the price for sure on that Strike Squad. Guessing it's supposed to say $60, as a 5man is $33 and it's likely they would offer a slightly lower price for 10. The rest of the products seem to be the same price with just a new box. (Sorry if all this has been said already, hard to keep up with everything.)

I am actually pleasantly surprised at that. Its a completely turn around from when they took the ten man Dire Avengers, cut them down to 5 and charged the same for it.

So no new models? Just repackage?

Can we expect Daemons next then if this Sanctus Reach supplement is called "Blood on the Mountain". Khorne GD?

 Whumbachumba wrote:
Can't make out the price for sure on that Strike Squad. Guessing it's supposed to say $60, as a 5man is $33 and it's likely they would offer a slightly lower price for 10. The rest of the products seem to be the same price with just a new box. (Sorry if all this has been said already, hard to keep up with everything.)

37.50 GBP price band would put it at 59.25 USD(same as Marneus Calgar and Honor Guard).

When does GW usually pull old product to not sell new these days? Seems like the surprise codex like this has a better chance to burn people.

Maybe the new banner will give us the old one back. My unit of paladins would be 743pts (lame) based on that screenshot and 25 pt psycannons.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Whumbachumba wrote:
Can't make out the price for sure on that Strike Squad. Guessing it's supposed to say $60, as a 5man is $33 and it's likely they would offer a slightly lower price for 10. The rest of the products seem to be the same price with just a new box. (Sorry if all this has been said already, hard to keep up with everything.)

37.50 GBP price band would put it at 59.25 USD(same as Marneus Calgar and Honor Guard).

Thanks. Looking at the blured USD, it could be 56, 60 or 63 for what I'm seeing on it. Sometimes I wish I got these early leaked issues so we could have good pictures of them.

I actually like that the assassins are separate now. Depending on if they changed the rules/points costs it will make it MUCH easier to add one to my armies.

Sure it costs an extra few bucks, but if you dont run grey knights and want assassins it is a nice option.

Also they are toning down coteaz so he is not such a no brainer anymore and I also like that. Will be interested in seeing how other rules are changed to compensate for the loses.

If psybolt becomes standard again then a lot of the point costs make sense. Really excited for this release.

Already imagining the combinations for my small GK army that I can work into my imperial forces.

Wait they are toning down coteaz? when did this happen?

 Deadshot wrote:
I am actually pleasantly surprised at that. Its a completely turn around from when they took the ten man Dire Avengers, cut them down to 5 and charged the same for it.

I'm cautiously optimistic too, but I'm still looking for the poop.

Min squad size is now 10 maybe? So you need to buy twice as many at a small discount for a CA legal detachment?

EDIT

Nope, went back and checked the leaked army builder pages. Still looks to be min 5.

Is this the bit where I'm stalking some Kronies through the jungle, then Tom jumps out of the bush next to me and I say "clever girl?"

 Desubot wrote:
Wait they are toning down coteaz? when did this happen?

November 16, 2013... When they released the Codex:Inquisition and put him there and then in a little bit when he officially is removed from Codex:Grey Knights.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
I am actually pleasantly surprised at that. Its a completely turn around from when they took the ten man Dire Avengers, cut them down to 5 and charged the same for it.

I'm cautiously optimistic too, but I'm still looking for the poop.

Min squad size is now 10 maybe? So you need to buy twice as many at a small discount for a CA legal detachment?

EDIT

Nope, went back and checked the leaked army builder pages. Still looks to be min 5.

Is this the bit where I'm stalking some Kronies through the jungle, then Tom jumps out of the bush next to me and I say "clever girl?"

It might simply be related to the idea that some players when just coming in to Grey Knights start asking why they don't have a Purifier/Interceptor/Purgation Squad box.

 Desubot wrote:
Wait they are toning down coteaz? when did this happen?

To be specific, you lost the objective secured option from "Codex" Inquisition. So you gut a key feature of the book if you wanted to really play it.

Codex inquisition never had obsec that I was aware of...

I thought it got removed during some update post-release of 7th. I feel like I recall a post here talking about it when it happened.

EDIT: Found it- http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/603471.page

Feel free to check but I think it was the removal of "Lord of Formosa" that corresponded with the release of 7th.

LoF gave them scoring, not obsec.


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Everyone is scoring now so they removed LoF since it was redundant.

 pretre wrote:
LoF gave them scoring, not obsec.


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Everyone is scoring now so they removed LoF since it was redundant.[/quote

Exactly, but people were expecting him to gain objective secured and he did not for the henchmen. Hench the nerf IMO

There was no nerf. There was just people "expecting" something.

 pretre wrote:
LoF gave them scoring, not obsec.


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Everyone is scoring now so they removed LoF since it was redundant.

Ahh, I see. I'm still thinking of objective secured like I thought of troops scoring objectives like in 6th. But then I guess during its time in 6th, one of Coteaz's abilities was to grant the ability to secure objectives to henchmen, correct? (that was the big fun ability in 6th, granting that to non-troop units).

With the advent of 7th, the value of any unit that gifted the ability to secure objectives lost value, it wasn't just Coteaz.

At any rate I think we're all on the same page.

Assassins DLC. Just what the doctor ordered.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Assassins DLC. Just what the doctor ordered.

Assassins got EVERYONE!

 Kanluwen wrote:
There was no nerf. There was just people "expecting" something.

People were expecting something that was FAQ'd in the Space Marines book to do just that. Pedro (or the SM guy that makes Sternguard scoring) was FAQ'd to make his elite units Objective Secured. Coteaz, in the Inquisition Codex, had the very same rule, vis a vis, logic would say that he too would make his guys Objective Secured and thus, making the Codex a big boy Codex. Then GW makes an update that defies their previous actions and takes this away, making the Codex, a name which used to imply a stand alone effective product, essentially just a character generator and not much else. And pretty much invalidated folks' armies who ran complete Inquisition as competing without Objective Secured is a fool errand.

So yes, sorry for folks, including myself, using a bit of reasoning when drawing conclusions when purchasing a $35 codex and then having a key function drastically changed 6~8 months later and further being a bit upset over it.

And let's see if they actually fix the assassins.

WD Officio Assassinorum blurb wrote:...or your Imperial Guard join (albeit nervously) by a psychotic Eversor pursuing his own bloody agenda...

So it's not Astra Militarum?

Also I don't think 'kill everything in a 10km radius' is considered an agenda; Bloody, but not an agenda.

EDIT: Oh and also we need a dataslate to use 4 different models, but will probably only ever use it to take a single model? That's just a friggin outrage!

Not a 'slap in the face'?

 pretre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Assassins DLC. Just what the doctor ordered.

Assassins got EVERYONE!

Next on "Pretre's obscure references"...

 Ehsteve wrote:


EDIT: Oh and also we need a dataslate to use 4 different models, but will probably only ever use it to take a single model? That's just a friggin outrage!

Actually, I remember it was, more so when the down turn began... in that oh, so long ago... that December to Remember...

 TheKbob wrote:

 Ehsteve wrote:


EDIT: Oh and also we need a dataslate to use 4 different models, but will probably only ever use it to take a single model? That's just a friggin outrage!

Actually, I remember it was, more so when the down turn began... in that oh, so long ago... that December to Remember...

Spoiler:

yeah, I guess they where thinking the dataslate had a LOT of fluff, (almost a codex's worth) so it was worth money, but that much for the dataslate..... yeah.. absurd. if they wanted to charge that much they should have billed it as a supplement or something

Yeah the Cypher one surprised a lot of us by being friggin' huge. Still, a whole release for a single character is silly. Thank goodness GW never tried to do... oh... never mind.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
No spin, I think we'd all be better off if you had actually quit like you said you would. That way we wouldn't have to read more of the same from you,...

You don't have to now. The forum has a rather handy 'ignore' function.

 Leth wrote:
I actually like that the assassins are separate now. Depending on if they changed the rules/points costs it will make it MUCH easier to add one to my armies.

Which, funnily enough, was exactly why they changed them to require an Inquisitor Lord back in 3rd edition... to stop people from just throwing an Assassin into their army to plug holes in their list.

So we've come full circle, there. Although unless the new dataslate buffs them considerably, Assassins admittedly aren't as good as they were back in 2nd ed when everyone was actually using them...

Well I'm sorry that GK players might be getting hosed but I do like the fact that assassins are opening up to folks inquisition style. Hopefully they get some nice rule tweaks, if so I see good times ahead for my kitbashing obsession.